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yankee8255 
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Date Posted: 7/27/07 12:24am Subject: RE: Harry Potter: The Last Horcrux? Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows (blacked out spoilers allo
Darth-Ghost posted:
Harry was saved the first time because of Lily's blood protection of Harry living on in Voldemort.

The Elder Wand did not know Harry was its master until he was duelling Voldemort with Draco's wand, and revealed he had disarmed Draco, and then claimed ownership of the Elder Wand. Wands are described to be quasi-sentient.

That's how I understood it, anyways.



Exactly. Also If Draco hadn't disarmed DD, Snape would not have become the master anyway, because the death was pre-arranged. At least that's what Harry says in the final duel. DD's plan was to die without being defeated, so that the wand would have no master and lose its power. Actually worked out even better with Draco having disarmed him, as it helped Harry.

 

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Jedi_Nausicaa 
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Date Posted: 7/27/07 8:33am Subject: RE: Harry Potter: The Last Horcrux? Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows (blacked out spoilers allo
Katana_Geldar posted:
Good question. But isn't it the spells that rebound? Harry got the scar when the Avada Kedavra rebounded off him. I haven't re-read the book, my sister has it, but IIRC it's the spells that rebound off each other.


The Avada Kedavra at the end rebounded, but the one in the forest that killed the horcrux in Harry actually hit him. I was wondering about a scar myself. For all we know, maybe he does have a second scar -- the spell hit him in the chest, so it wouldn't be obvious like the one on his forehead.

 

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Darth-Ghost 
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Date Posted: 7/27/07 8:47am Subject: RE: Harry Potter: The Last Horcrux? Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows (blacked out spoilers allo
When he got hit in the chest, the spell didn't rebound, he took it in. He only survived because Lily's protection lived on in Voldemort.

The next time, when they were duelling with the Elder Wand, the AK didn't rebound off Harry, but off of Harry's Expelliarmus spell, never touching him.

So I don't think there would be any need for another scar.

 

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leia_naberrie 
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Date Posted: 7/27/07 10:57am Subject: RE: Harry Potter: The Last Horcrux? Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows (blacked out spoilers allo
Darth-Ghost posted:
When he got hit in the chest, the spell didn't rebound, he took it in. He only survived because Lily's protection lived on in Voldemort.

The next time, when they were duelling with the Elder Wand, the AK didn't rebound off Harry, but off of Harry's Expelliarmus spell, never touching him.

So I don't think there would be any need for another scar.



I thought that scar was the scar of the Death Spell and that Harry was extraordinary because he was the only living person who had it. I think it's probably more likely that there's another scar but in a less visible place than his forehead.

Hi back Katana_Geldar! Thanks for the tip!

 

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Darth_Sabith 
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Date Posted: 7/27/07 2:40pm Subject: RE: Harry Potter: The Last Horcrux? Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows (blacked out spoilers allo
Hey everyone not sure if you would be instreasted but Leahair has restarted the HP rpg to go off of the books ending so if you want to join we are still accepting.

As for Snape all I can really say is that was not how I thought he would go I really believed he would have at lest fought back. Yet maybe he knew Harry was there It was really instreasting to say the lest.

 

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Jedi_Nausicaa 
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Date Posted: 7/28/07 1:26pm Subject: RE: Harry Potter: The Last Horcrux? Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows (blacked out spoilers allo
leia_naberrie posted:
Darth-Ghost posted:
When he got hit in the chest, the spell didn't rebound, he took it in. He only survived because Lily's protection lived on in Voldemort.

The next time, when they were duelling with the Elder Wand, the AK didn't rebound off Harry, but off of Harry's Expelliarmus spell, never touching him.

So I don't think there would be any need for another scar.



I thought that scar was the scar of the Death Spell and that Harry was extraordinary because he was the only living person who had it. I think it's probably more likely that there's another scar but in a less visible place than his forehead.

Hi back Katana_Geldar! Thanks for the tip!


If there is a scar on his chest, he could hide it with that Hungarian Horntail tattoo ...

 

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Darth-Ghost 
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Date Posted: 7/29/07 1:04pm Subject: RE: Harry Potter: The Last Horcrux? Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows (blacked out spoilers allo - Date Edited: 7/29/07 1:06pm (1 edits total) Edited By: Darth-Ghost
I thought it was a pygmy puff tattoo... laugh


Everyone remember, that hour-long interview with JKR on Dateline is tonight!

And tomorrow is the web chat!

What do you think happened to all the Dementors after Voldemort died? And what exactly does happen person after a Dementor's Kiss? (Does the person still go on living, like an Inferi almost? Is that soul destroyed forever, or is it released when the Dementor dies? Can a Dementor even die?)

 

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Registered: Oct '06
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Date Posted: 7/30/07 6:50am Subject: RE: Harry Potter: The Last Horcrux? Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows (blacked out spoilers allo
Darth-Ghost posted:
What do you think happened to all the Dementors after Voldemort died? And what exactly does happen person after a Dementor's Kiss? (Does the person still go on living, like an Inferi almost? Is that soul destroyed forever, or is it released when the Dementor dies? Can a Dementor even die?)


I'm in the web chat (or what seems to be that...) now, and apparently 'you can't destroy a Dementor' (her own words paraphrased). They're also soulless.

Don't know the answer to the post-Kiss question though.


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mikadojedi 
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Date Posted: 7/30/07 12:44pm Subject: RE: Harry Potter: The Last Horcrux? Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows (blacked out spoilers allo - Date Edited: 7/30/07 12:46pm (1 edits total) Edited By: mikadojedi
Hi all. Just wanted to share some thoughts about this last installment.

1) A great conclusion to this series. I want to make that clear.
Favorite Moments:

AWESOME use of my favorite magical plot device THE PENSIEVE! That was freaking sweet for Snape to give harry the memories. Gives real meaning to the song "Memeories, like that corner of my mind...."
McGonicles(sp) appearance on page 591. IT's about time she got there!
The Kings Cross Chapter with Dumbledore. Though I don't see how they could have ended up together. With Dumbledore 'being there'. Unless Harry died for a short time and then came back. Nice to see that Micheal Gambon will have a cameo in HP:TDH the movie.
Severus Snape's good deed. He really turned out to be a brave Wizard.
Molly Weasley gets all Sigorney Weaver on Lestrange. (thanks to Entertainment weekly for putting into words what I could not.) Another scene I cannot wait to see in the movie version.
THose are my favorite moments...
I suspect that with the HUGE amount of extranious details. TDH will make an awesome tight movie. This was by far the most visual of the books. At least in the sense that I can see it, for the most part, on the big screen. Especially some nice "Great Hall" fly overs.
Here are my critiques:
Hermione nor Ron, or for that matter, Hagrid getting killed off. Sentimental as I am. And I loved all the charactors. One or both should have died.

Harry, by the very nature of the prophecy, has to live. We know that. But it is my belief that Rowling kind of chickened out by having the top three survive. Harry married Ginny. And Ron married Hermione. It sets up Hogwarts-The Next Generation(i thought that one up before I read Entertainment Weekly) Most of all I will miss Tonks and Lupin. Tonks quickly became a favorite of mine. And on that note my one final complaint. Why did Moody, Tonks, and Lupin just turn up dead with no death scene? That was sad. Having Fred Weasly die was a nice dramatic flourish on Rowlings part.
-Let me just say this. With the exception of Harry, Ron, and Hermione all living. It was a great and over all perfect end to the saga of Harry Potter.

 

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Date Posted: 7/30/07 1:08pm Subject: RE: Harry Potter: The Last Horcrux? Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows (blacked out spoilers allo
kinda funny, mugglenet's book had Dobby dying as 100-1 and Fred as 50-1

 

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Amon_Amarth 
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Date Posted: 7/30/07 1:33pm Subject: RE: Harry Potter: The Last Horcrux? Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows (blacked out spoilers allo
I was reading that there will be two major deaths in the last book, but it turned out to be more. Mad-Eye, Dobby, Fred, Lupin, Tonks, even Hedwing... Still, I am really surprised that Rowling didn't kill one of the big three. I was expecting that either Ron or Hermione will go, if Harry is not killed himself.

 

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NYCitygurl 
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Date Posted: 7/30/07 3:55pm Subject: RE: Harry Potter: The Last Horcrux? Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows (blacked out spoilers allo
My mom said that the news was saying that there would be three minor deaths and one major one. Turned out there were more than three minor ones, and no major one.

I thought that if one of the three got killed off, it would be Ron or Harry. I didn't think she'd kill off Hermione.

 

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leia_naberrie 
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Date Posted: 7/30/07 4:16pm Subject: RE: Harry Potter: The Last Horcrux? Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows (blacked out spoilers allo
NYCitygurl posted:
My mom said that the news was saying that there would be three minor deaths and one major one. Turned out there were more than three minor ones, and no major one.

I thought that if one of the three got killed off, it would be Ron or Harry. I didn't think she'd kill off Hermione.



Well, I think Lupin, Fred and Snape count as major deaths... thinking

By the way, has anyone seen the latest interview? I love what she had to say about Lily/Snape.


Jaclyn: Did lily ever have feelings back for snape

J.K. Rowling: Yes. She might even have grown to love him romantically (she certainly loved him as a friend) if he had not loved Dark Magic so much, and been drawn to such loathesome people and acts.

More Snape/Lily-relevant quotes:


Nithya: Lily detested mulciber,averyif snape really loved her,why didnt he sacrifice their company for her sake

J.K. Rowling: Well, that is Snape’s tragedy. Given his time over again he would not have become a Death Eater, but like many insecure, vulnerable people (like Wormtail) he craved membership of something big and powerful, something impressive. He wanted Lily and he wanted Mulciber too.

and:

Rachel Nell: Jkr, thank you for such amazing books! I would like to know how come noone seemed to know that lily and snape were friends in school they were obviously meeting for chats, etc didnt james know their past

J.K. Rowling: Thank you for your thank you! Yes, it was known that they were friendly and then stopped being friends. Nothing more than that would be widely known. James always suspected Snape harboured deeper feelings for Lily, which was a factor in James’ behaviour to Snape.



Chat transcript is here.

 

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Date Posted: 7/30/07 4:25pm Subject: RE: Harry Potter: The Last Horcrux? Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows (blacked out spoilers allo
Sorry, by "major" I meant Ron, Harry, and Hermione; "minor" is everyone else tongue

 

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Date Posted: 7/31/07 9:46am Subject: RE: Harry Potter: The Last Horcrux? Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows (blacked out spoilers allo
Strange thought: Snape might not be dead.

Crazy, I know. After all, there was a body. But consider: Snape is one of the greatest potion brewers alive. With a combination of a Draught of Living Death, Felix Felicis, and a suitable antidote, Snape might have survived. Essentially, Snape might have realized that the end was nigh, and so decided not to take chances. He would have first used a Felix Felicis. Then, Felix would lead him to bring a suitable antidote, and drink a Draught of Living Death, brewed to take effect after some time, rather than immediately. And so, when he died, it was the Draught just taking effect. And once everyone was gone, he could have left.

The only reason it occured to me was that I was wondering why his portrait wasn't on the wall in the Headmasters office. Of course it wouldn't appear, if he was alive!

 

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