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rhonderoo Title: Former Head Admin Registered: Aug '02	Date Posted: 1/9/06 8:31am Subject: RE: Harry Potter: The Last Horocrux? Book Seven Speculation (potential spoilers)
	RebelScum77 posted: Who says Voldemort can be killed only through Avada Kedavra? That seems a little too obvious to me. There's got to be something special about his connection to Harry that he doesn't necessarily have to do a spell that any normal wizard is capable of, even if Harry is the only one who can eliminate Voldemort. I agree with RS and Raven. There is probably going to be some special twist in the Harry/Voldemort relationship that will cause Harry to defeat Voldemort. -----signature----- DT421
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Everton Registered: Jul '03	Date Posted: 1/9/06 9:42am Subject: RE: Harry Potter: The Last Horocrux? Book Seven Speculation (potential spoilers) - Date Edited: 1/9/06 9:48am (2 edits total) Edited By: Everton
	At the climax to HBP, Harry is spitting blood... he's utterly furious. For the first time in the series, he's passionate about taking out those who have wronged him. No longer is it an unwanted burden, no longer is it an 'I'd rather be playing Quidditch with Ron' thing. No longer is he reluctant. He's ready to go for it. Additionally, for the first time in the series Voldemort is getting back a degree of true power... and Dumbledore is gone. So... we've got a reversal of fortunes from the start of this tale. At the beginning, Harry knew nothing and didn't exactly embrace the fame and responsibility that came with his name and with his scar... and Voldemort was nothing, just a lost soul desperate to remain in existence. Harry was protected by Dumbledore. 'Today', Harry is strong with anger and vitriol, but with nobody to protect him, and Voldemort is ready to kick ass. At the beginning they were set apart from one another and now, near the end, they are on a collision course. This of course, suits Voldemort. He would like nothing more than a full on confrontation with all the accompanying bloodshed and terror. What I believe to be Harry's crucial advantage though, is he came from a position of love and reluctance. He hasn't been stewing over this inevitable conclusion for years and years, he has only been piecing it together bit by bit. I think Harry will go into Book Seven at a million miles an hour, dead set on destroying Voldemort and all his followers... but I also believe that this approach will be met with nothing but equal force. He cannot destroy Voldemort like that. What will destroy Voldemort is love, and understanding. Harry's journey in Book Seven will be understanding that, and calming down. I absolutely believe that somehow Harry will take out Voldemort, but it will not be a big ol' duel or whatever... it will be close, and personal, and make use of weapons that are not in Voldemort's arsenal - love, friendship - all that has been brought to Harry's character over his years at Hogwarts, and all that is missing from Voldemort's. Voldemort will never get the chance to unleash hell on Earth. I believe that the big 'spectacle' finale of the series will take place between Harry and Snape. Harry and Voldemort will have something altogether cleverer going on. -----signature----- efc = 6th Everton vs Hull City - 10th January Liverpool vs Everton - 19th January Liverpool vs Everton - 24th January
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Darth-Kevin-Thomas Registered: Sep '02	Date Posted: 1/9/06 9:57am Subject: RE: Harry Potter: The Last Horocrux? Book Seven Speculation (potential spoilers)
	I say Harry Forgives voldemort instead of killing him. He has voldemort by the neck with his wand and forgives him. dkt -----signature----- If I could be anything, I'd be a machine gun, becuase everytime I see you, I'm sorry I don't own one.
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Amon_Amarth Registered: Jan '05	Date Posted: 1/9/06 2:41pm Subject: RE: Harry Potter: The Last Horocrux? Book Seven Speculation (potential spoilers)
	RebelScum77 posted: Who says Voldemort can be killed only through Avada Kedavra? True. Hmm... Maybe he'll use the sword of Griffindor... Darth-Kevin_Thomas posted: I say Harry Forgives voldemort instead of killing him. He can't. It is his destiny to destroy Voldemort. In one way or the other. -----signature----- Jedi Guardian - Acolytes of Revan "The Force is fine...but I would have preferred some company." 'Caenorhabditis elegans' is much better than Darth Plagueis at cheating death. "Don't **** with the Jedi Master, son!" Mark Hamill, CE
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Darth-Kevin-Thomas Registered: Sep '02	Date Posted: 1/9/06 2:46pm Subject: RE: Harry Potter: The Last Horocrux? Book Seven Speculation (potential spoilers)
	His destiny was created. Snape was the one that told voldemort about the prophecy thus sending things into motion. It's his destiny to destroy him yes but from the way it sounded, he can probably choose not to. or, what if that is they way to kill voldemort, show him compasion, true compasion. Then the dark magic that Voldemort has created is undone. dkt -----signature----- If I could be anything, I'd be a machine gun, becuase everytime I see you, I'm sorry I don't own one.
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AnakinGirl05 Registered: Jun '05	Date Posted: 1/10/06 4:55pm Subject: RE: Harry Potter: The Last Horocrux? Book Seven Speculation (potential spoilers)
	I can see Harry being pushed over the edge. Like someone said earlier, even "The Chosen One" has a breaking point. Whether or not he will strike someone down with the Avada Kedavra curse, I am not sure, though I can see him leaning towards dark wizardry, even if just for a bit. Why wouldn't he? -----signature----- You can't quit until you try, You can't live until you die You can't learn to tell the truth until you lie... Just open your eyes and see that life is beautiful... ~Nikki Sixx
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Zebra3 Registered: Aug '04	Date Posted: 1/10/06 5:28pm Subject: RE: Harry Potter: The Last Horocrux? Book Seven Speculation (potential spoilers)
	No way Harry forgives Voldemort. And while I do believe that Harry will be pushed to the edge, I seriously doubt that Harry will perform Avada Kedavra. I rather think it's got something to do with the power that Harry's got that Voldemort doesn't... love. But how exactly that will be able to vanquish the Dark Lord, I'm not too sure Perhaps it has to do with that locked door in the Department of Mysteries dedicated to the magical properties of love. -----signature----- recipient of the coveted Corellian Ewokstripes with bronze cluster My icon archive -- > http://zebra3icons.bravehost.com/main1.html I'm currently reading Han Solo's Revenge I'm currently playing Tomb Raider Anniversary
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Darth-Kevin-Thomas Registered: Sep '02	Date Posted: 1/10/06 7:53pm Subject: RE: Harry Potter: The Last Horocrux? Book Seven Speculation (potential spoilers)
	Harry can't die, becuase then the theme of the books will be moot. IMO The novels are about Harry finding his "Family". And it seems that he's starting to really feel at home with the weasels. If he dies then once again, Harry has failed to gain his objective...Plus its a kids book and that would upset the little ones. thats just me dkt -----signature----- If I could be anything, I'd be a machine gun, becuase everytime I see you, I'm sorry I don't own one.
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jedi_master_ousley Title: Manager Emeritus Registered: Jun '02	Date Posted: 1/14/06 1:27pm Subject: RE: Harry Potter: The Last Horocrux? Book Seven Speculation (potential spoilers) - Date Edited: 1/14/06 1:28pm (1 edits total) Edited By: jedi_master_ousley
	Harry can't die, becuase then the theme of the books will be moot. Exactly. Harry cannot be the final Horcrux. If he dies, the entire theme of the books is lost. Good does not really defeat evil if both of the characters who represent "good" (Albus and Harry) are killed. Dumbledore sacrificed himself for the greater good, while Harry must live on and take Dumbledore's place in history as one of the greatest wizards of all time. (ps: I edited the title because you spelled "Horcrux" wrong) -----signature----- I steal candy from babies to prevent childhood obesity.
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Moleman1138 Title: Manager Emeritus Registered: Aug '04	Date Posted: 1/14/06 2:34pm Subject: RE: Harry Potter: The Last Horcrux? Book Seven Speculation (potential spoilers)
	Personally after POA, I wouldn't let a kid read the last 4 books. The last three books have been tearjerkers towards the end. This is the like the ROTS of the series, the darkest hour and there's definitely going to be more than one Avada Kedavra for sure. -----signature----- Host of CBC (Chapter by Chapter) for PT, CT and SFF forums and Box Office Game ROTS-DS Chapter 3: Seeds of Rebellion FOTR Chapter 29: Bilbo's Gifts TSS Chapter 17: Facts and Feathers (8/24/07)
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TheBoogieMan Title: Manager Emeritus Registered: Nov '01	Date Posted: 1/15/06 5:09am Subject: RE: Harry Potter: The Last Horcrux? Book Seven Speculation (potential spoilers)
	jedi_master_ousley posted: Harry can't die, becuase then the theme of the books will be moot. Exactly. Harry cannot be the final Horcrux. If he dies, the entire theme of the books is lost. Good does not really defeat evil if both of the characters who represent "good" (Albus and Harry) are killed. Dumbledore sacrificed himself for the greater good, while Harry must live on and take Dumbledore's place in history as one of the greatest wizards of all time. (ps: I edited the title because you spelled "Horcrux" wrong) No. Harry does not necessarily have to die if he is a horcrux. Please see my post on this matter . . . Anyway, Harry will destroy Voldemort using whatever spell Dumbledore was trying to use on him in the Department of Mysteries. We still don't know what it is, and Jo has been very deceptive about it when questioned.
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TheBoogieMan Title: Manager Emeritus Registered: Nov '01	Date Posted: 1/19/06 12:29am Subject: RE: Harry Potter: The Last Horcrux? Book Seven Speculation (potential spoilers)
	I present to you, ladies and gentlemen of the jury, more compelling evidence that Harry is an unintentional Horcrux. From Chamber of Secrets, p. 245: 'You can speak Parseltongue, Harry,' said Dumbledore camly, 'because Lord Voldemort - who is the last remaining ancestor of Salazar Slytherin - can speak Parseltongue. Unless I'm much mistaken, he transferred some of his own powers to you the night he gave you that scar. Not something he intended to do, I'm sure . . .' 'Voldemort put a bit of himself in me?' Harry said, thunderstruck. 'It certainly seems so.'
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Moleman1138 Title: Manager Emeritus Registered: Aug '04	Date Posted: 1/19/06 2:25pm Subject: RE: Harry Potter: The Last Horcrux? Book Seven Speculation (potential spoilers)
	I found the quote on 332-333 in the paperback edition. Time to go reread. -----signature----- Host of CBC (Chapter by Chapter) for PT, CT and SFF forums and Box Office Game ROTS-DS Chapter 3: Seeds of Rebellion FOTR Chapter 29: Bilbo's Gifts TSS Chapter 17: Facts and Feathers (8/24/07)
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TheBoogieMan Title: Manager Emeritus Registered: Nov '01	Date Posted: 1/20/06 7:31pm Subject: RE: Harry Potter: The Last Horcrux? Book Seven Speculation (potential spoilers)
	Bearing in mind that's the Australian/English edition I'm quoting from.
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ElfinArcher Registered: Dec '05	Date Posted: 1/20/06 10:25pm Subject: RE: Harry Potter: The Last Horcrux? Book Seven Speculation (potential spoilers)
	Darth-Kevin-Thomas posted: .....or, what if that is they way to kill voldemort, show him compassion, true compassion. Then the dark magic that Voldemort has created is undone. This is certainly a compelling theory, one that bears thinking about. I like! It would certainly be an unexpected twist, and definitely leave a lot of "What the HECK?!" looks on people's faces, especially those that are gearing up for some big battle-riffic showdown. I've been thinking somewhat philosophically as I've been reading this thread... Bear with me for a moment as I spew. The prophesy states that "neither [Harry nor Voldemort] can live while the other survives." My question is, how does one want to define "live"? It seems to me that both Harry and Voldemort are so intent on destroying the other that they're not LIVING. They're letting life pass them by. Well, Harry, anyway. Which is understandable - the fate of the wizarding world has kind of been thrust upon his shoulders. He's so worried about where the next attack is going to come from, or how, exactly, he's going to kill Voldemort at the end of it all, since he knows that the final battle is going to be him versus the Dark Lord. That has to be a damper on the enjoyment that a normal 17 year old should be experiencing in life. So, maybe Harry doesn't have to DIE at the end of it - once Voldemort is vanquished, he can start LIVING again. Or.. you know.... something. -----signature----- For Alana
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