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rumsmuggler Registered: Aug '00	Date Posted: 12/12/06 7:41pm Subject: RE: Sands of Arrakis: The Works of Frank Herbert
	God Emp of Dune isn't for everyone, but if you truly enjoy the series, you have to read it at least once. Just be patient with it. After that, then there are two more Frank Herbert Dune novels left. Then I'll leave the decsion to ya'll, if you want to read the rest of the dune novels. I like them, but they have a different feel to them. -----signature----- " Conan, what's best in life?" " Crush your enemies, see them driven before you and hear the lamentations of the women." W.W.L.D. What Would Lando Do "Why is the rum always gone?" Retcons = making the dumb stuff look even dumber.
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jadenkorr81 Registered: Dec '06	Date Posted: 12/13/06 1:17pm Subject: RE: Sands of Arrakis: The Works of Frank Herbert
	Cool. I'll keep all of that in mind.
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Lord_Vivec Registered: Apr '06	Date Posted: 12/13/06 4:26pm Subject: RE: Sands of Arrakis: The Works of Frank Herbert
	I'll keep that in mind as well, rumsmuggler and jadenkorr -----signature----- EUS Vice Chancellor "I believe the proper analogy involves a river of excrement and a Native American vessel without any means of propulsion." -Sheldon Gavin Newsom for CA Gov '10!
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rumsmuggler Registered: Aug '00	Date Posted: 12/14/06 6:53am Subject: RE: Sands of Arrakis: The Works of Frank Herbert
	that's good.. -----signature----- " Conan, what's best in life?" " Crush your enemies, see them driven before you and hear the lamentations of the women." W.W.L.D. What Would Lando Do "Why is the rum always gone?" Retcons = making the dumb stuff look even dumber.
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Lord_Dagoth Registered: Dec '06	Date Posted: 12/14/06 1:47pm Subject: RE: Sands of Arrakis: The Works of Frank Herbert
	rumsmuggler posted: God Emp of Dune isn't for everyone, but if you truly enjoy the series, you have to read it at least once. Just be patient with it. After that, then there are two more Frank Herbert Dune novels left. Then I'll leave the decsion to ya'll, if you want to read the rest of the dune novels. I like them, but they have a different feel to them. I kinda liked God-Emp
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Lord_Vivec Registered: Apr '06	Date Posted: 12/14/06 4:20pm Subject: RE: Sands of Arrakis: The Works of Frank Herbert
	Lord_Dagoth posted: rumsmuggler posted: God Emp of Dune isn't for everyone, but if you truly enjoy the series, you have to read it at least once. Just be patient with it. After that, then there are two more Frank Herbert Dune novels left. Then I'll leave the decsion to ya'll, if you want to read the rest of the dune novels. I like them, but they have a different feel to them. I kinda liked God-Emp I liked it alot. you have good taste, but bad name choosing. I chose first, and you stole my theme!!! -----signature----- EUS Vice Chancellor "I believe the proper analogy involves a river of excrement and a Native American vessel without any means of propulsion." -Sheldon Gavin Newsom for CA Gov '10!
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rumsmuggler Registered: Aug '00	Date Posted: 12/14/06 5:38pm Subject: RE: Sands of Arrakis: The Works of Frank Herbert
	-----signature----- " Conan, what's best in life?" " Crush your enemies, see them driven before you and hear the lamentations of the women." W.W.L.D. What Would Lando Do "Why is the rum always gone?" Retcons = making the dumb stuff look even dumber.
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Emperor_Billy_Bob Registered: Aug '00	Date Posted: 12/31/06 2:37pm Subject: RE: Sands of Arrakis: The Works of Frank Herbert
	Does anyone else feel that the portrayal of Baron Harkonnen was, kind of, oh I dunno, extraordinarily homophobic? Granted, this was the 60's, but I mean, its almost like FH was thinking, "Okay, he's fat and ugly...how else can I make him evil? Lets make him GAY!" That to me is the only blemish on the Dune books. Otherwise they are hard to get through, but rewarding, and in their great moments they are the greatest. -----signature----- "I'd hit it." - Lord Vivec in regards to Adolf Hitler
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Emperor_Billy_Bob Registered: Aug '00	Date Posted: 1/1/07 2:08am Subject: RE: Sands of Arrakis: The Works of Frank Herbert
	Sorry for the Double Post: 1. Over the weekend I purchased House Atreides, House Harkonnen, and House Corrino and I am enjoying them so far. They aren't bad, they have a different tone, and the style is maybe a tad bland, but they capture something of Dune, and they are clearly done with love. I don't understand all the trashing. 2. The main flaw that I see with the Dune series is the characters. The Atreides have always been unlikeable Mary Sues to me (I mean the Atreides from the original novel). I always end up cheering for the Harkonnens. All of the Fremen are bland. The entire Dune series suffers from weak characterization IMHO, except for maybe Baron Harkonnen and Emperor Shaddam. Harkonnen is a delight, and Shaddam in his brief cameo feels like a real flesh and blood person, moreso than any of the Mary-Sueish lead characters. Some of Herbert's writing seems a little too masturbatory. -----signature----- "I'd hit it." - Lord Vivec in regards to Adolf Hitler
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RedHanded_Jill Registered: Nov '04	Date Posted: 1/2/07 10:21am Subject: RE: Sands of Arrakis: The Works of Frank Herbert
	Billy Bob, them's fighting words. Dune is the best series i have ever read. sure after children of dune it gets strange but that is sci fi for ya. i am reading the foundation series by asimov and i dont understand all the hoo hah over it. i am so sick of seldon. i guess reading is just subjective. -----signature----- Life is a highway... And I want to drive it all nite long.
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Emperor_Billy_Bob Registered: Aug '00	Date Posted: 1/3/07 2:02am Subject: RE: Sands of Arrakis: The Works of Frank Herbert
	RedHanded_Jill posted: Billy Bob, them's fighting words. Dune is the best series i have ever read. sure after children of dune it gets strange but that is sci fi for ya. i am reading the foundation series by asimov and i dont understand all the hoo hah over it. i am so sick of seldon. i guess reading is just subjective. I just started reading God Emperor of Dune, and it is actually fantastic. I think the weakest Dune book so far is Children of Dune. I had to struggle to get through it, and I defy ANYONE to make sense of that book. I loved the original Dune, Dune Messiah, and so far God Emperor. Children of Dune, I think, was too weird and experimental. -----signature----- "I'd hit it." - Lord Vivec in regards to Adolf Hitler
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RedHanded_Jill Registered: Nov '04	Date Posted: 1/4/07 8:49am Subject: RE: Sands of Arrakis: The Works of Frank Herbert
	oh just wait until you get to heretics and chapterhouse. the first time i read them i swore herbert had to be on drugs. i dont think that anymore. i worship at the altar of the herbert. i loved god emperor too. i love the idea of leto after years of being a worm. leto is my favorite character anyway next to paul. just for the record, i finished second foundation and decided i really like the foundation series. i am glad i made myself get thru book 2/3 to get to 4. now i am searching for prelude. -----signature----- Life is a highway... And I want to drive it all nite long.
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rumsmuggler Registered: Aug '00	Date Posted: 1/9/07 8:16am Subject: RE: Sands of Arrakis: The Works of Frank Herbert
	I have no problems with Baron Harkonnen being gay. It adds something unique to his character, but I didn't really see it as homophobic. -----signature----- " Conan, what's best in life?" " Crush your enemies, see them driven before you and hear the lamentations of the women." W.W.L.D. What Would Lando Do "Why is the rum always gone?" Retcons = making the dumb stuff look even dumber.
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Lord_Vivec Registered: Apr '06	Date Posted: 1/9/07 1:50pm Subject: RE: Sands of Arrakis: The Works of Frank Herbert
	The cover for Sandworms of Dune has been released, as has its release date: August 2007here -----signature----- EUS Vice Chancellor "I believe the proper analogy involves a river of excrement and a Native American vessel without any means of propulsion." -Sheldon Gavin Newsom for CA Gov '10!
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Radical_Edward Registered: May '02	Date Posted: 1/9/07 2:39pm Subject: RE: Sands of Arrakis: The Works of Frank Herbert
	RedHanded_Jill posted: oh just wait until you get to heretics and chapterhouse. the first time i read them i swore herbert had to be on drugs. Eh, well, it's pretty well-known that Herbert indulged in some rather potent hash throughout the writing process. It's not exactly the most mind-altering of drugs, nor does it lend itself too well to novel writing. Anyway, being on drugs while doing something doesn't inherently make that thing bad or lesser in any way, it just means that the person was on drugs while they did that thing (whatever it may be). Goodness gracious, drug users are more vilified today than any dark-skinned minority group ever was in American history. -----signature-----
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