Author Topic: Foundations of SciFi: Isaac Asimov
Excellence 
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Date Posted: 5/13/06 4:15am Subject: RE: Foundations of SciFi: Isaac Asimov

I think their writing would be stale . . . but I need to do some in-store peeking to know for certain. Like that overhyped LOTR, I think readers are dazzled by its progenitoring of the genre than that it really is. Amazon's preview of Foundation seems to show this. The voice is storytelling to you. Hmmm . . . thinking

 

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emilsson 
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Date Posted: 9/10/06 9:27am Subject: RE: Foundations of SciFi: Isaac Asimov
I loved the Foundations series as a teenager and read all of them, plus most of the Robot novels. But I never got the chance to read the Empire books. Now I am seriously considering rereading it all, just to see if he managed to tie it together as the later books that bridge the different series became my particular favourites.

On that note, I have a Swedish edition of Forward the foundation and it mentions that End of eternity might be part of it too. I wonder if anyone knows anything about this.

 

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ShrunkenJedi 
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Date Posted: 9/11/06 10:24am Subject: RE: Foundations of SciFi: Isaac Asimov
Been re-reading some Asimov lately (reading the Foundation series to my bf, starting with Prelude to Foundation), and the thing is, it may have brilliant ideas and a good plot, but I have to admit even the later stuff (after he'd been doing exclusively non-fiction for a long time) isn't well written up to the standards you'd like to see. (Now, note, I'm a sf buff and aspiring writer myself, and I *love* Asimov works dearly...). For example, every time someone speaks, he has to put '**** said...' even if you know exactly who's speaking, or could use some other trick to tell you without being so intrusive. That slows it down tremendously, and since I'm reading it out loud and pay attention to these things as an aspiring writer myself, I notice it. Now, as an Asimov lover, I've also read a good deal about him, and he worked *fast*. Gave himself little time for editing, you know what I'm saying? And obviously his training was as a pulp writer.

On the other hand, he was a master of plot and had ideas coming out the wazoo. I *dream* of psychohistory and the Three Laws, you know what I'm saying? Balances out the weakness, IMO, although I of course would rather the weakness wasn't there to begin with.

And, yeah, to give you an idea of how much of an influence he probably was on me... like I said, I'm an aspiring sf writer and genre buff, but I'm also something of an aspiring chemist, science writer... yeah, like that. And I've seriously thought about psychohistory as something that might be possible at some point.

 

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Date Posted: 9/12/06 4:26am Subject: RE: Foundations of SciFi: Isaac Asimov

For example, every time someone speaks, he has to put '**** said...' even if you know exactly who's speaking, or could use some other trick to tell you without being so intrusive.

That absolutely annoys the Darth lords out of me. And you know what? Bucket loads of authors do it even now, today, tomorrow.

Cavanagh nodded. "Very well," he said.

Why add the "he said"? Drives me bonkers.

 

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barabel_humour 
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Date Posted: 9/12/06 10:37am Subject: RE: Foundations of SciFi: Isaac Asimov
arwen_sith posted:
Asimov's writing is rather formal by today's standards.

Asimov is famous because he wrote almost incessantly from 1938 (got his first story published in 1939 when he was just 19) to his death in 1992. That's a lot of stories. He, along with Robert A. Heinlein and Arthur C. Clarke were the first to really popularize science-fiction. When they started writing, there were no such things as SF anthologies, never mind novels published. All they had were pulp magazines. The three writers mentioned were among the first to get their works published in book form, and helped make SF as popular as it is today.

What about HG Wells and Jules Verne? raised_brow

 

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ShrunkenJedi 
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Date Posted: 9/12/06 11:19am Subject: RE: Foundations of SciFi: Isaac Asimov
barabel_humour posted:

What about HG Wells and Jules Verne? raised_brow


I can think of several retorts to this. A lot of Verne's writing (around the world in 80 days...) is actually more adventure-oriented than sci-fi. Both Wells and Verne *are* often talked about in regard to the origins of science fiction. And a lot of the real popularity of SF started with 40's/50's pulp magazines, which Asimov and his contemporaries were a part of and by which time Wells and Verne were not around to interview (although re-circulation of Wells and Verne stories was common, for instance the infamous Orson Welles radio adadaptation HG Wells' of War of the Worlds.)

 

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Date Posted: 7/20/08 12:57pm Subject: RE: Foundations of SciFi: Isaac Asimov
Upping.

 

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JediTrilobite 
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Date Posted: 7/22/08 9:56am Subject: RE: Foundations of SciFi: Isaac Asimov
ShrunkenJedi posted:
barabel_humour posted:

What about HG Wells and Jules Verne? raised_brow


I can think of several retorts to this. A lot of Verne's writing (around the world in 80 days...) is actually more adventure-oriented than sci-fi. Both Wells and Verne *are* often talked about in regard to the origins of science fiction. And a lot of the real popularity of SF started with 40's/50's pulp magazines, which Asimov and his contemporaries were a part of and by which time Wells and Verne were not around to interview (although re-circulation of Wells and Verne stories was common, for instance the infamous Orson Welles radio adadaptation HG Wells' of War of the Worlds.)



I disagree. HG Well and Jules Verne are the forerunners of Science Fiction. At the time that they were released, they were the first glimpse into the fantastic of the Victorian era. The books, in a sense, are about exploration, which was a very big and popular topic during the time period, and these books, in addition to numerous other, and somewhat lesser known authors, were extremely popular during their time, and still are.

The other thing is, Jules Verne alone is possibly responsible for the boom in the 30s, 40s and 50s, as he inspired numerous authors and scientists to go into their respective trades. You can probably make the argument that he's responsible for the Apollo program.

 

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DarthStymi 
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Date Posted: 8/26/08 8:41am Subject: RE: Foundations of SciFi: Isaac Asimov
JediTrilobite posted:
ShrunkenJedi posted:
barabel_humour posted:

What about HG Wells and Jules Verne? raised_brow


I can think of several retorts to this. A lot of Verne's writing (around the world in 80 days...) is actually more adventure-oriented than sci-fi. Both Wells and Verne *are* often talked about in regard to the origins of science fiction. And a lot of the real popularity of SF started with 40's/50's pulp magazines, which Asimov and his contemporaries were a part of and by which time Wells and Verne were not around to interview (although re-circulation of Wells and Verne stories was common, for instance the infamous Orson Welles radio adadaptation HG Wells' of War of the Worlds.)



I disagree. HG Well and Jules Verne are the forerunners of Science Fiction. At the time that they were released, they were the first glimpse into the fantastic of the Victorian era. The books, in a sense, are about exploration, which was a very big and popular topic during the time period, and these books, in addition to numerous other, and somewhat lesser known authors, were extremely popular during their time, and still are.

The other thing is, Jules Verne alone is possibly responsible for the boom in the 30s, 40s and 50s, as he inspired numerous authors and scientists to go into their respective trades. You can probably make the argument that he's responsible for the Apollo program.


I am so glad to see a new Asimov thread. Huge fan. He has inspired me in so many ways. And he is just a great writer. As for his "old fashioned" style...so. Just because a work is older does not diminish it's quality. And even in the 90's his books were bestsellers. And if his life was not tragically cut short, I am sure his fiction would continue to be bestsellers. So what does that say about how "old fashioned" his writing style was. I disagree and don't really think it matters.

As for his influence, he clearly had a huge impact on science fiction, but there were many predecessors and previous SF writers who influenced his work (he basically grew up reading pulp SF...so he mimicked, if you will, those stories he loved). And lets not forget Mary Shelley. But I don't really want to talk about her or those other fantastic writers in this thread.

I was want to talk about Asimov.

Arguing over other things has taking away from taking about Asimov.

How can we keep this thread fresh and going?

Has anyone read Psychohistorical Crisis? Great read. I, for one, would like to see more works in the Universe Asimov created. It could totally be a huge franchise if they let it.

And I would love to see one of his novels get same treatment and care that Lord of the Rings received, as far as turning his works into movies (I liked I, Robot, but it got so far away from the novel it was barely recognizable...and I was so upset it was billed as Will Smith: I, Robot...I am a Will Smith fan, don't get me wrong, but it just seemed like a total disregard of Asimov).

Someone call Peter Jackson...or maybe Spielberg?

 

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JediTrilobite 
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Date Posted: 9/4/08 9:14am Subject: RE: Foundations of SciFi: Isaac Asimov
Ugh, I don't think this book is really filmable, at least not to the point where it'll be as good as the books... They're complex, have a lot of characters and cover a huge amount of time, not something that's easily translatable into a 2 hr film.

 

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DarthStymi 
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Date Posted: 9/4/08 2:50pm Subject: RE: Foundations of SciFi: Isaac Asimov
JediTrilobite posted:
Ugh, I don't think this book is really filmable, at least not to the point where it'll be as good as the books... They're complex, have a lot of characters and cover a huge amount of time, not something that's easily translatable into a 2 hr film.


I don't know what book you're talking about because I never singled out any.

You're argument may apply to maybe the original Foundation Trilogy.

But his early robot novels (i.e., Caves of Steal, The Naked Sun) would work really well.

And I would say it's arguable whether Foundation is doable. Yes, there would have to be changes--but there always are when transferring stories to different medium. nerd

 

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Date Posted: 9/7/08 7:09pm Subject: RE: Foundations of SciFi: Isaac Asimov
The Foundation books are really great. I love how Asimov points out in the intros of the Trilogy editions I have, how the whole series is just people talking. All the violent stuff and what-not happen off-page, it's just pages and pages of people talking and explaining........yet it's great!

I also love his mysteries. The Black Widower mysteries were great.

 

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