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lightsaber_wielder Registered: Jan '02	Date Posted: 1/15/06 12:39pm Subject: RE: The Land of Middle Earth: Lord of the Rings & The Hobbit.
	Tsu-Jii: The Silmarillion gets harder to read in the middle, if anything. I found my second reading much easier than my first. -----signature----- "Show me the books he loves and I shall know a man far better than through mortal friends." - Dawn Adams "Music is the vernacular of the human soul." - Geoffrey Latham "A good story is any story you like." - Karen Traviss
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Raja_Io Registered: Aug '05	Date Posted: 1/15/06 1:31pm Subject: RE: The Land of Middle Earth: Lord of the Rings & The Hobbit.
	Another person who finds the Smeagol-Sam-Frodo triangle not exciting enough? Really, when I watched the movies I thought Jackson had been going to show it as, um, some sort of erotic relationship? All those whispering, jealousy, net of lies... -----signature----- It's better to have loved and destroyed your girl with the power of the Arc of Covenant than never to have loved at all. --- Making a ninja burger in progress... 0%
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Raja_Io Registered: Aug '05	Date Posted: 1/17/06 9:44am Subject: RE: The Land of Middle Earth: Lord of the Rings & The Hobbit.
	Sorry for the double post. I just wanted to say: I AM SORRY. I KILLED IT... -----signature----- It's better to have loved and destroyed your girl with the power of the Arc of Covenant than never to have loved at all. --- Making a ninja burger in progress... 0%
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emilsson Registered: Oct '98	Date Posted: 1/17/06 10:01am Subject: RE: The Land of Middle Earth: Lord of the Rings & The Hobbit.
	Sam and Frodo have their moments in the books too that can be interpreted in an erotic kind if one is inclined to do so . It usually cracks me up. Tsu-Jii, Tolkien's way of naming of characters comes from the old Icelandic sagas where the story starts with telling the main character's kin. It can be quite frustrating at times, but in that time period it was important. -----signature----- When in doubt, go to the library. "Take no heroes, only inspiration" - C. Dean
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Raja_Io Registered: Aug '05	Date Posted: 1/17/06 12:18pm Subject: RE: The Land of Middle Earth: Lord of the Rings & The Hobbit.
	The best way to read Silmarillion for the first time is to take two books, and while reading one of them, looking up things you forgot from the beginning in the other one -----signature----- It's better to have loved and destroyed your girl with the power of the Arc of Covenant than never to have loved at all. --- Making a ninja burger in progress... 0%
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Moleman1138 Title: Manager Emeritus Registered: Aug '04	Date Posted: 2/7/06 9:21am Subject: RE: The Land of Middle Earth: Lord of the Rings & The Hobbit.
	When I first read TTT, it was so difficult. I mean you had the story of story of the Ringbearer, the Three Hunters and the Ents and it just seemed difficult to keep the stories straight. It was easier with ROTK, but that seemed to be sort of a rip off with only 3.5 chapters in Mordor when the Battle of Gondor had like half the book. -----signature----- Host of CBC (Chapter by Chapter) for PT, CT and SFF forums and Box Office Game ROTS-DS Chapter 3: Seeds of Rebellion FOTR Chapter 29: Bilbo's Gifts TSS Chapter 17: Facts and Feathers (8/24/07)
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-Courtney- Registered: Oct '05	Date Posted: 2/10/06 9:48pm Subject: RE: The Land of Middle Earth: Lord of the Rings & The Hobbit.
	I love LOTR but I think it is a shame that it will never live on in the same way that Star Wars does, because Tolkien is dead, so it is not like he nor any one else can write EU, a TV series is out of the question (television is not worthy of the Silmarilion) & the fan fiction gets repetetive after awhile, few people have made fan films either. It is not as famous or as main stream as Star Wars because there is just so much detail in the story that few people are able to understand it & therefore are not interested in it. I hate Sony Pictures, they are sueing so many companies over their films, it is their fault that we must wait another three years before The Hobbit. They are also sueing the Weinstien Company over Factory Girl, not that it is very important but it does have Hayden Christensen in it. -----signature----- http://pyro-the-maniac.deviantart.com/ "Genius is one percent inspiration, and ninety-nine percent persperation." -Edison "If Edison were smarter, he wouldn't have to work so hard." -Tesla
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Kyptastic Title: Manager Emeritus SWD Co-Commish Registered: Sep '05	Date Posted: 2/10/06 9:52pm Subject: RE: The Land of Middle Earth: Lord of the Rings & The Hobbit.
	Has anyone read the original edition of the Hobbit? Before the whole finding of the ring was changed to fit LOTR? -----signature----- "It is your choice," Saba said ."This one does not think it will interfere with our peace deal. We have plenty of Moffz. Blast two." Valar Morghulis
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Raja_Io Registered: Aug '05	Date Posted: 2/11/06 8:53am Subject: RE: The Land of Middle Earth: Lord of the Rings & The Hobbit.
	-Courtney- posted: I love LOTR but I think it is a shame that it will never live on in the same way that Star Wars does, because Tolkien is dead, so it is not like he nor any one else can write EU, a TV series is out of the question (television is not worthy of the Silmarilion) & the fan fiction gets repetetive after awhile, few people have made fan films either. It is not as famous or as main stream as Star Wars because there is just so much detail in the story that few people are able to understand it & therefore are not interested in it. I, actually, am quite happy about the lack of Expanded Middle Earth. That's one of major drawbacks of SW for me, constant changing, heaps of contradictions... While Arda is constant and everlasting, being a whole. The Professor >>>>> GL -----signature----- It's better to have loved and destroyed your girl with the power of the Arc of Covenant than never to have loved at all. --- Making a ninja burger in progress... 0%
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Excellence Registered: Jul '02	Date Posted: 2/11/06 3:39pm Subject: RE: The Land of Middle Earth: Lord of the Rings & The Hobbit.
	The movies and books left me with a plethora of unanswered questions, to be honest. -----signature----- The Brits gave the world Doctor Who We owe them
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dontlookatmethatway Registered: Jul '05	Date Posted: 2/11/06 5:01pm Subject: RE: The Land of Middle Earth: Lord of the Rings & The Hobbit.
	Excellence posted: The movies and books left me with a plethora of unanswered questions, to be honest. How so? I always thought that the questions were adequately answered, if not in the LotR trilogy then in the Silmarillion. While I might have wanted more detail (like on Hadhodrond and its fall) there were never any big questions I had. -----signature----- In democracy your vote counts. In feudalism your count votes. bozone = the bubble around stupid people that prevents bright ideas from getting through Member of the Game Designers Guild
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Excellence Registered: Jul '02	Date Posted: 2/11/06 6:44pm Subject: RE: The Land of Middle Earth: Lord of the Rings & The Hobbit. - Date Edited: 2/11/06 6:45pm (1 edits total) Edited By: Excellence
	How pure conversational boredom equates with electric fan accolade, for starters. These questions may have been answered which I overlooked amongst the endless and and more talking, but here goes. Why was Aragorn rangering around and not on the throne? Arathorn his father did something wrong? Why does Tolkien take a page or even more just to show Gandalf explaining how he escaped Saruman's hospitality? Why do dwarfs hate elfs? Why the citizens weren't breeding enough these past thousands of years since Sauron's death, that their numbers are so horrifically low? Gondor fielded a few thousand, against hundreds of thousands of militant orcs. I have a lot of questions, and again I don't know/remember if they were answered in the trilogy. But I knew nothing about these idiot heroes I was reading, no background at all. They were just there, and badly characterised I might add. My other issues relates to the writing structure of the books, a different topic. -----signature----- The Brits gave the world Doctor Who We owe them
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-Phoenix- Registered: Oct '05	Date Posted: 2/11/06 8:56pm Subject: RE: The Land of Middle Earth: Lord of the Rings & The Hobbit.
	I think The Hobbit was my favourite of the series. -----signature----- Spiders can be fun and wild, but at the end they will kill you and catch you from behind. XBL GamerTag: o PH03N1X o Hold on to your potatoes. Bears are a proud people, although they're not people per se. They're animals.
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Raja_Io Registered: Aug '05	Date Posted: 2/12/06 10:02am Subject: RE: The Land of Middle Earth: Lord of the Rings & The Hobbit.
	@Excellence... Why was Aragorn rangering around and not on the throne? Arathorn his father did something wrong? This was said in the book. If you do not agree with the principles of Gondor's genealogy, it does not mean that the story is incomplete. Why does Tolkien take a page or even more just to show Gandalf explaining how he escaped Saruman's hospitality? Because I wanted to read it. Why do dwarfs hate elfs? This was in Silmarillion. Why the citizens weren't breeding enough these past thousands of years since Sauron's death, that their numbers are so horrifically low? This was a cunning plan of Sauron. Before he was defeated, he invented condoms and, by his spies in Osgiliath, introduced them among people of Gondor. And my question is: If you did not like the books so much what are you doing here? -----signature----- It's better to have loved and destroyed your girl with the power of the Arc of Covenant than never to have loved at all. --- Making a ninja burger in progress... 0%
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dontlookatmethatway Registered: Jul '05	Date Posted: 2/12/06 10:18am Subject: RE: The Land of Middle Earth: Lord of the Rings & The Hobbit. - Date Edited: 2/12/06 10:23am (2 edits total) Edited By: dontlookatmethatway
	There was no “pure conversational boredom” in Lord of the Rings. The conversations might be long, but they’re not boring. What gave you the impression that they were? These questions may have been answered which I overlooked amongst the endless and and more talking… Well, I don’t see anything wrong with talking, but here are the answers to your questions. Why was Aragorn rangering around and not on the throne? Aragorn’s heritage was revealed to him when he turned 20. Elrond gave him the shards of Narsil and the Ring of Barahir, but withheld the Sceptre of Annúminas until he earned it. The Sceptre was one of the major symbols of kingship, so Aragorn might have felt that Elrond did not want him to become king yet or that he didn’t deserve to be king yet. Aragorn also knew that there was a very low chance that he would become king if he just showed up with the heirlooms. The royal line was lost for centuries and the Stewards would be reluctant to put an impostor on the throne. Why does Tolkien take a page or even more just to show Gandalf explaining how he escaped Saruman's hospitality? Why not? It furthers the story and I like the detailed description. Why do dwarves hate elves? The racial enmity began in the Silmarillion. It started with a dispute over the Nauglamír that eventually lead to the fall of Doriath. Why the citizens weren't breeding enough these past thousands of years since Sauron's death, that their numbers are so horrifically low? It’s not that they weren’t breeding enough. People get the mistaken impression that after Sauron was defeated it was peaceful until his return. It wasn’t. Arnor fell apart a few generations after the battle and Gondor had to face all sorts of problems. A few major ones were the Kin-strife, the plague, and the invasion of the Wainriders. They also had to defeat a lot of other enemies. And yet they still managed to beat back the forces of Sauron. (with help from Rohan, of course, which was actually a part of Gondor to begin with) But I knew nothing about these idiot heroes I was reading, no background at all. They were just there, and badly characterised I might add. No background? Those heroes were up to their ears in background! In the Silmarillion it talks about the ancestors of these heroes and their doings. Go look at the appendix in the back of RotK. It has the list of kings from Elendil and Isildur right on down to Aragorn in both Arnor and Gondor. It describes the events that took place during the main part of the Third Age in detail. They had lots and lots of background. I also didn’t think that they were poorly characterized. Edit: If you did not like the books so much what are you doing here? Raja, Excellence has a right to express his opinions just like everyone else. -----signature----- In democracy your vote counts. In feudalism your count votes. bozone = the bubble around stupid people that prevents bright ideas from getting through Member of the Game Designers Guild
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