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Andalite-Bandit Registered: Apr '05	Date Posted: 1/3/06 12:11pm Subject: The thread to speculate about whats gonna happen in the remainder of "A Song of Ice and Fire"
	Hello! This thread is for discussing the fifth book in George R.R. Martins "A Song of Ice and Fire" series and the books that will follow it. But watch out! This thread will have Feast for Crows spoilers!!! If you did not read Feast for Crows, you stop reading this thread and get out of here. It's dangerous! Do you want to be spoiled? Whats the matter with you! According to George R.R. Martin, he is about halfway through with "A Dance With Dragons", book 5, and he thinks it will take about a year to finish. From there, he estimated about 2 years each for the following books. I believe there are going to be 7 total. In this thread we can talk about theories and such and ponder about the fate of Westeros, which might be difficult, for George is known for his suprising twists! One thing that I am rather certain of is that at some point the emphasis is going to have to shift completely to the thread of the Others, who I assume are going to make some sort of attack into Westeros. I think that both Daenarys Tagaryen and Jon Snow will be key in this battle. There is a lot of prophecy and such mentioned. It looks like Daenarys may be "the prince that was promised". However, I read a convincing article the other day based on a theory that Jon Snow is in fact the son of Rhaegar Tagaryen and Lyanna Stark, and that Eddard took Jon after Rhaegar and Lyanna both died, in order to protect him from Roberts wrath. If this is indeed the case, could Jon Snow be the prophecized one? Or what if it is both of them? The dragon has THREE heads though, who is the third? Is the prince that was promised the same persaon as Azor Ahai returned? Oh mysteries! Another thing that has to happen, we know, is that Daenarys must finally make her return to Westeros, which is something I've been waiting for since Game of Thrones. What do you think is going to happen when she does? After Feast, there are at least 3 groups going in search of her. The maestar from the Citadel, some ironmen, and that dude from Dorne. When Daenarys comes to Westeros, who will ally with her and who will fight her? I would imagine Dorne would go with her, and I wouldn't be suprised if Stannis joined her either. The Tyrells are tricky, because they fought for the Targaryens in Roberts Rebellion, but they also hate Dorne. I also believe that Littlefinger seeks to control all of Westeros. He already has Harrenhal, he has the Vale, and we know he is about to get the North with Sansa, AND Jamie thinks he'd make a good Kings Hand. Littlefinger is behind almost everything, and within the next book or two I think we are going to see his various schemes coming to fruition. I was thinking perhaps that when Daenarys returns, Westeros could split into two main camps, Daenarys vs. Littlefinger. Although, I am sure he knows about her, the guy knows everything, so it seems. There all sorts of other questions too that we can speculate about. What's the deal with zombie Catelyn? What is the power of that horn Euron found? What about that other magic horn that can apparently bring down the Wall? Will this happen? What did Brans dreams mean? Did Brienne actually die? Was Merryweather really working for Cersei or was she some sort of double agent? Is Cersei totally doomed? (I say she is) Talk about what you think might happen in the rest of A Song of Ice and Fire! -----signature----- "It's all the same fraking day, man." - Janis Joplin http://boards.theforce.net/your_jedi_council_community/b10008/29050206/p1/?0
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Blaine_The_Mono Registered: Apr '05	Date Posted: 1/3/06 12:16pm Subject: RE: The thread to speculate about whats gonna happen in the remainder of "A Song of Ice and Fire"
	I'd love to see a Tyrell POV, maybe even a Loras one. I agree with you about the R+L theroy. I just read a funny one saying that Old Nan was Jon's mother -----signature----- "Blaine is a pain, and that is the truth." "A Lannister always pays his debts..."
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Andalite-Bandit Registered: Apr '05	Date Posted: 1/3/06 1:04pm Subject: RE: The thread to speculate about whats gonna happen in the remainder of "A Song of Ice and Fire"
	I was also thinking a Loras Tyrell POV would be good. Especially now that he has that injury. I am convinced Loras is going to survive. There was something that made me suspicious about the fall of Dragonstone though. When Sansa is going down the Mountain and that girl is giving her news, she says that Stannis still holds Dragonstone, but she also says that Riverrun has surrendered. Now, these two events happened around the same time. Why is it that this girl knows about the peaceful surrender of Riverrun but has no word of the huge battle that took Dragonstone? Also, the guy who told Cersei about the fall of Dragonstone and the deadly injuries sustained by Loras, that guy stole the fleet at Kings Landing right after Cersei was locked up. Is something going on here? What if Cersei was lied to? What if Loras isn't injured at all, what if Dragonstone hasn't actually fallen yet? I myself think this is a bit of a stretch perhaps, but those two things just struck me as being suspicious. -----signature----- "It's all the same fraking day, man." - Janis Joplin http://boards.theforce.net/your_jedi_council_community/b10008/29050206/p1/?0
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Andalite-Bandit Registered: Apr '05	Date Posted: 1/3/06 9:04pm Subject: RE: The thread to speculate about whats gonna happen in the remainder of "A Song of Ice and Fire"
	http://www.towerofthehand.com/articles/a/0011/ Thats the article about the theories about who Jon Snows parents are. The Rhaegar and Lyanna one is number III, and has the most information. It's rather convincing, but I'm not 100% sure it is the truth yet. -----signature----- "It's all the same fraking day, man." - Janis Joplin http://boards.theforce.net/your_jedi_council_community/b10008/29050206/p1/?0
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droideka27 Title: Manager Emeritus Registered: May '02	Date Posted: 1/5/06 11:54pm Subject: RE: The thread to speculate about whats gonna happen in the remainder of "A Song of Ice and Fire"
	I found that article very fascinating, but i really think that a lot of their "evidence" could easily be used to support any of the three choices. It is a really neat idea, and one i would like to see unfold. Jon Snow is super cool, and it would be awesome to have him have dragon blood -----signature----- "The ability to speak does not make you intelligent" -- Qui-Gon
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Raven Title: SFF: Books and Comics Mangler Registered: Oct '98	Date Posted: 1/6/06 7:10am Subject: RE: The thread to speculate about whats gonna happen in the remainder of "A Song of Ice and Fire"
	I'm pretty sure that Jon is the rightful king. My guess, seeing as he's the 998th commander, is that he's going to be deposed as Lord Commander. My guess is that we’ll have a 999th like Janos Slynt, or maybe Stannis himself. The 999th will be someone who is definitely not a good choice for Lord Commander. The 1000th will probably be Sam. I figure that the Wall will be destroyed, and Sam will also be the first Lord Commander of the new Night Watch, devoting his life to rebuilding the Wall. Stannis will get pulled down by a pack of Others and come back as an Ice Wight. Rickon will be the new Lord of Winterfell. Bran will be a wandering Mystic type; he might sacrifice himself to stop the Others in some way. I figure that Jon and Dany will end up sharing the throne. Jon is the rightful king already but Dany is the crowned queen. Jon will never know who his parents were, but Dany will have worked it out. Tyrion will be the third head of the dragon, and he’ll have a dragon of his own. It’ll turn out that Aerys II is his father - or have other people realized that one yet? Sansa will kill Littlefinger, either herself, or she’ll hire a Faceless Man and Arya will be the one. -----signature----- 1. Seek enlightenment. 2. ??? 3. Prophet.
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Andalite-Bandit Registered: Apr '05	Date Posted: 1/6/06 11:16am Subject: RE: The thread to speculate about whats gonna happen in the remainder of "A Song of Ice and Fire"
	That is an interesting theory about Tyrion. Is there any evidence to suggest a Targaryen is his father? -----signature----- "It's all the same fraking day, man." - Janis Joplin http://boards.theforce.net/your_jedi_council_community/b10008/29050206/p1/?0
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Raven Title: SFF: Books and Comics Mangler Registered: Oct '98	Date Posted: 1/7/06 8:07am Subject: RE: The thread to speculate about whats gonna happen in the remainder of "A Song of Ice and Fire"
	Much less than there is for Jon. But you have Tyrion's fascination with dragons, you have his father and Aerys ending their partnership and Tyrion's fathers hatred of whores happening around the same time, you have him saying over and over again that Tyrion isn't his son, etc. And the dragon needs three heads. Dany and Jon are obvious, but who is the third? I think that Tyrion fits the bill. -----signature----- 1. Seek enlightenment. 2. ??? 3. Prophet.
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droideka27 Title: Manager Emeritus Registered: May '02	Date Posted: 1/7/06 11:18pm Subject: RE: The thread to speculate about whats gonna happen in the remainder of "A Song of Ice and Fire"
	The Jon line is semi plausible, but i bet after dance with dragons, we'll have a lot better idea of what is going on. But you have Tyrion's fascination with dragons, you have his father and Aerys ending their partnership and Tyrion's fathers hatred of whores happening around the same time, you have him saying over and over again that Tyrion isn't his son, etc. And the dragon needs three heads. Dany and Jon are obvious, but who is the third? I think that Tyrion fits the bill. Yeah, but Tyrion KILLED his mother in the fathers eyes. If the mother didn't die birthing Tyrion, why did she die? How could they fake that effectively? Well, i suppose the mom could have cheated on her husband or been raped or something, but that doesn't really go with what we've seen of those characters so far. I definitely think Tyrion with end up with Danny, though, and she will appreciate him for the clever, msotly good person he is, and he will be very instrumental in her take over of Westeros. -----signature----- "The ability to speak does not make you intelligent" -- Qui-Gon
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emilsson Registered: Oct '98	Date Posted: 1/8/06 9:22am Subject: RE: The thread to speculate about whats gonna happen in the remainder of "A Song of Ice and Fire"
	But does Tyrion causing his mother's death through childbirth exclude him being the son of Aerys II? I would say no. If Aerys first "seduced" Tywin's wife and then the offspring caused her death, it might very well explain Tywin's hatred of Tyrion. I too wouldn't be suprised to see Tyrion joining Dany and helping her conquering Westeros. I am also curious about Varys, if (when?) he will play yet another part in the great scheme of things. -----signature----- When in doubt, go to the library. "Take no heroes, only inspiration" - C. Dean
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droideka27 Title: Manager Emeritus Registered: May '02	Date Posted: 1/8/06 11:18am Subject: RE: The thread to speculate about whats gonna happen in the remainder of "A Song of Ice and Fire" - Date Edited: 1/8/06 11:23am (1 edits total) Edited By: droideka27
	Yeah but Tyrion's physical properties combined with the death of his mother is MORE than enough to justify Tywin's actions(in that world), so the dragon blood connection just looks like it's reaching. -----signature----- "The ability to speak does not make you intelligent" -- Qui-Gon
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MaceWinducannotdie Registered: Aug '01	Date Posted: 1/9/06 9:09am Subject: RE: The thread to speculate about whats gonna happen in the remainder of "A Song of Ice and Fire"
	I hope Jon isn't the rightful king. It feels too telegraphed. George can throw a curveball here, at least I hope he can. Did Brienne actually die? Death isn't what it used to be. While I would salute the hardcoreness of George if she hanged and that was that, I don't think Brienne got her hundred pages just to go off and get killed. Remember the big deal that was made about her sword Oathkeeper. I think Zombie Cat set it up a test. If Brienne had agreed to kill Jaime she would either be lying or betraying him, and would deserve death. Where as if she took the honorable path it means she was telling the truth about everything. So Brienne and company will either be cut down before they strangle or Thoros will revive them. Is Cersei totally doomed? (I say she is) Probably, but not necessarily just yet. She's supposed to be cast down by a younger queen, but Margaery is still in some trouble at the moment. I predict a curveball; it's Dany that will topple Cersei for good and all. Other thing: What's Qyburn's champion that no man can defeat? The Mountain? Or parts thereof? Other Other thing: I hope Martin can tie this thing up within the decade. None of us is getting any younger. I also hope the next one will maintain the quality. I'm fearful of a tome lacking the intrigues of King's Landing. -----signature----- Talk is cheap and you're causing massive deflation.
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Blaine_The_Mono Registered: Apr '05	Date Posted: 1/9/06 9:24am Subject: RE: The thread to speculate about whats gonna happen in the remainder of "A Song of Ice and Fire"
	"Other thing: What's Qyburn's champion that no man can defeat? The Mountain? Or parts thereof?" A sort of 'Gregorstein', I think. That would be interesting. Qyburn disturbs me. -----signature----- "Blaine is a pain, and that is the truth." "A Lannister always pays his debts..."
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Andalite-Bandit Registered: Apr '05	Date Posted: 1/10/06 9:44pm Subject: RE: The thread to speculate about whats gonna happen in the remainder of "A Song of Ice and Fire"
	Oh yeah I forgot about that champion guy. Very mysterious! -----signature----- "It's all the same fraking day, man." - Janis Joplin http://boards.theforce.net/your_jedi_council_community/b10008/29050206/p1/?0
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Ender_Sai Title: Manager Emeritus Registered: Feb '01	Date Posted: 1/11/06 5:11am Subject: RE: The thread to speculate about whats gonna happen in the remainder of "A Song of Ice and Fire"
	Does anyone else doubt entirely that Ser Loras, The Knight of Flowers, was even injured? I find the situation a little too convenient, considering how much effort the Tyrrels go to to claim the throne. E_S -----signature----- In this truth he knew himself to be. From sinking sands he stepped into light's embrace.
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AnnLouise Registered: Jul '05	Date Posted: 1/11/06 11:20am Subject: RE: The thread to speculate about whats gonna happen in the remainder of "A Song of Ice and Fire"
	For some reason, Tyrion and Sansa are my favorite fictonal non-couple. I'd love to see the pretty little princess grow a spine, kill Littlefinger, and get back together with her husband. Their marriage got way too much space for it to mean nothing. Besides, having Sansa, with her dreams of perfect handsome knights, actally fall in love with the ugliest man in Westeros is just perfect. I stared reading these books because of GRRM's Beauty & the Beast connection anyway. -----signature----- "You're not too smart, are you? I like that in a man" Matty Walker - Body Heat (1981) http://thehungersite.com http://www.endabuse.org http://www.librarything.com Catalog Your Books Online Violence Against Women Is Always Wrong
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