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Andalite-Bandit
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Ender Sai, ah ha!! I thought the same thing!!
I became suspicious when Sansa was travelling down the mountain, and the girl was giving her news on recent events. When she was doing this, she told Sansa that Riverrun had surrendered, and that Dragonstone was still held by Stannis. Now how is it that this girl heard about the peaceful surrender of Riverrun but had no word of the epic battle that took Dragonstone, when Dragonstone happened first? How can that be?
Also, the dude that told Cersei that Loras was injured and that Dragonstone fell, that guy fled Kings Landing with the entire new fleet the minute Cersei was thrown in a cell. Whats that about?
And the sept, they let Merryweather go. Why?
Something is definetely going on there.
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droideka27
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Yeha i think it would not be surprising to find Loras perfectly fine, and have him come rescue his sister in some manner, but i didn't think that until nerf pointed it out.
And I don't really want to see Sansa and Tyrion together... he's so much older, and family to those who killed her family. If it happened, it would ahve to be waaaay down the line. i actually thought maybe we were going to see Littlefinger and sansa having a deeper connection, but when he was getting her engaged, i thought that was less plausible. But he obviously finds her attractive, and is single, and i could see her falling for him if he just put his mind to winning her.
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I mean, when you think about it, all the news she gets comes from Taena and from Qyburn. Taena is off comforting Margaery when it happens, so we never see a distraught Margaery this whole time and frankly Taena has been playing Cersei all along. Qyburn, Cersei laments, has a pitiful network of spies compared to Varys.
Plus, the Tyrrels made a major effort to get the throne. Getting Loras away from Margaery would draw Cersei out, and I suspect strongly that was the Queen of Thorn's plan all along.
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EDIT: And as for Tyrion not being Tywin's son; what does Lady Gemma say to Jaime? 
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I also suspect that Loras is perfectly all right at the moment. Whether that's because it's something his family planned or something that someone else planned, I think that Cersei fell neatly into a trap.
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Ender_Sai
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Well, exactly; Cersei wouldn't act with Ser Loras about, and so by getting him out of sight it drew her out.
I mean, the only people who told her information were Taena - who wasn't detained at the Sept - and Qyburn, whom she complains only provides useless information (esp. compared to Varys).
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Raven
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Ender_Sai posted:
I mean, the only people who told her information were Taena - who wasn't detained at the Sept - and Qyburn, whom she complains only provides useless information (esp. compared to Varys).
I like Qyburn a lot. He's crazy, in a rational kind of way. In another era or another series, he'd have been a mad scientist, like Dr. Frankenstein. He even has a monster of his very own. I'm really not sure at all where Martin is going with him. I figure that he'll die horribly before the series is over, but there are so many ways for him to die. Will his monster get him? Will Dany order him killed, or will one of her dragons eat him of its own accord? Will someone else get rid of him (Varys maybe?). Will Others kill him? I just can't see him surviving the series.
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Qyburn is definetely going to go down somehow.
What I am most looking forward to in this series though is when The Others really start carrying out whatever plan it is that they have. Everyone in Westeros is going to be like "...what!?" Maybe we'll start seeing some of this happen in Dance, because Jon will be back as a narrator so we'll see what's going down at the Wall. I would imagine that there won't be any major Other intrusions into Westeros territory until the following book though, since Feast takes place at the same time as Dance and nobody has heard anything about zombies invading.
It is also going to be really cool to see the various prophecies work out. Is the Prince that was Promised the same as Azor Ahai reborn? Also, is it Ahai, or Ashai, I forget, ack. You know who I mean though! I think it is pretty evident at least that Stannis is certainly not who Melisandre wants everyone to think he is. She just made a fancy sword is all.
I think what will happen is that Westeros will be in the process of destroying itself in a large scale renewal of the war, probably brought about by the appearance of Daenarys in Westeros and the shenanigans and plots of Littlefinger, and the Others will invade. The book following Feast will end on the moment in which it appears everything is lost, but somehow Westeros will unite to engage in an epic final battle which Maestar Aemon refers to as The Battle of the Dawn. I think both Jon Snow and Dany will play essential roles in this struggle.
I am really really looking forward to the attack of the Others though. Ever since Game of Thrones I have been like "When are the Others going to attack! When are the Others going to attack!" It has to be soon now, we're almost out of books!
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I think it will be Dany who turns back the Others, though I can't really explain why. Just a feeling I have.
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Well she does have the dragons, and the fire does greatly harm the Others, so it is a logical thought. I was a bit surprised that Stannis joined the fight at the wall. That move definitely surprised me in Storm. I am interested to see how Stannis progresses in Dance since he as well was not in Feast.
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Andalite-Bandit posted:
It is also going to be really cool to see the various prophecies work out. Is the Prince that was Promised the same as Azor Ahai reborn? Also, is it Ahai, or Ashai, I forget, ack. You know who I mean though! I think it is pretty evident at least that Stannis is certainly not who Melisandre wants everyone to think he is. She just made a fancy sword is all.
My suspicion is that Jon is the Prince of Ice and Fire and that Dani is Azor Ashai reborn.
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Regarding Loras Tyrell's injury, I too think it's a ruse. It was just so convenient that what happened to him was what Cersei wanted to happen.
Also, you will remember that it was Taena Merryweather who brings up the subject of Queen Margaery having to choose only a member of the Kingsguard. Once Cersei falls into the trap of insisting on the rule she dooms herself. Loras Tyrell can return to champion Margaery (since she's to be tried first), but who will champion Cersei?
I'm really excited over how Dany is going to react to all these suitors and Westerosi headed her way. I confess I've not been that interested with her story so far, but having Tyrion and the Ironborn brothers around is going to make things interesting.
And the whole Dorne thing I just love. Quite a big deal was made of the Gold Company's termination of their contract with one of the cities, I reckon these exiles/ex-pats are going with Dany's army back home.
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I am curious as to what exactly Jaime's role will be.
And I wish Maester Aemon could have lived to meet his niece.
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I get the impression that the story is going to go through plenty more twists and turns before the end. If you think about how much has changed between the end of AGOT and the end of AFFC, then try imagining how many more tricks GRRM is going to pull out of his hat before the end. Also, the first half of the series was the buildup. The big conclusion is really going to be throwing things for a loop.
I think that it is too early to predict how the story will come to an end, or what any of the characters will be doing when A Time for Wolves rolls around (And that title really has to be a givaway as to how the series is going to turn out) Just looking at the Appendix, we get some idea of how much story we have yet to even begin looking at. We haven't seen anything of House Hightower, the Florents still haven't played a major role, the Outlaws will be major players before the endgame, and there are dozens of major characters that we've only had a glimpse at, if that.
Anyway, I don't think that Brienne has even come close to croaking her last. Remember, at the end of her last chapter, as she's hanging, she manages to say one word, which is not revealed to us. Just a few paragraphs before, Zombie Catelyn gives her a choice, take the sword and kill Jaime, or take the rope and die right there. All she had to do was say "Sword" or "Rope". I wouldn't put money on her secret last word being "Rope". Also, I highly doubt that Zombie Catelyn meant that as a test, or had any benevolent thoughts at all. She always was a slimy, hard character. She just managed to hide it rather well for a while. After watching Robb die and then get killed herself, I don't think that there's any good left in her.
Cersei has been too big of a character for her to go out so easily. She'll be back, and she still has to be brought low by a more beautiful, younger woman. Margaery hardly fits this description, but Sansa and Dany (more likely Sansa) would have more than enough reason to go after Cersei in particular.
Littlefinger, of course, is far from finished. He's engineered most everything that's happened so far. He'll have his day in the sun, but I don't think that he intends to be king himself. More likely he'll be the power behind the throne.
What about that Doran Martell? He seems like he's got more than a bit of Littlefinger in him. I wouldn't be surprised if he joined the ranks of the great puppetmasters before the end. We've got a long way to go before we can really speculate about how the story will turn out.
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Also, I highly doubt that Zombie Catelyn meant that as a test, or had any benevolent thoughts at all. She always was a slimy, hard character. She just managed to hide it rather well for a while. After watching Robb die and then get killed herself, I don't think that there's any good left in her.
It's immaterial whether ZombieCat is, or ever was, benevolent. All it would take to devise such a test is brains, which I for one don't doubt she has.
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JEDI-SOLO posted:
I am curious as to what exactly Jaime's role will be.
And I wish Maester Aemon could have lived to meet his niece.
I think that Jaime will be a hero. His story seems to be one of redemption. It's possible that we might get more in the way of Martin curveballs. But I think that he's going to be able to write himself a history that he can be proud of, so that some hundred years later children will hear about Ser Jaime the same way that they hear about Ser Dayne or the Dragonknight.
For myself, I wish that Aemon had realized who Jon's parents were.
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