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Raven Title: SFF: Books and Comics Mangler Registered: Oct '98	Date Posted: 1/24/06 9:42am Subject: RE: The Coming of Conan the Cimmerian
	VadersLaMent posted: I just picked up #24 today. I knew nothing about the nude vs clothed cover. I have the non-nude cover, but juts for the sake of collection I'll go hunt down the nude cover. The Tower Of The Elephant issues were great and spot on perfect. I have no idea when they are going to get to ti but I can't wait for People Of The Black Cirlce for the Master Of Yimsha. Evisceration anyone? The third part Tower of the Elephant I was not keen on at all. The art just fell apart in my opinion. Normally, the comic has some of the best art around, period, but that time... not so much. It was so bad that the comic was almost unreadable. Something I've noticed is that the Howard stories don't seem to be translating well into comics. The original stories in the series have almost always been on par, and in some cases better in my opinion. -----signature----- 1. Seek enlightenment. 2. ??? 3. Prophet.
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RolandofGilead Title: Manager Emeritus Registered: Jan '01	Date Posted: 1/24/06 10:18am Subject: RE: The Coming of Conan the Cimmerian
	Raven posted: Something I've noticed is that the Howard stories don't seem to be translating well into comics. The original stories in the series have almost always been on par, and in some cases better in my opinion. Blasphemy! -----signature----- Satan's not in a guitar pick, he's inside all of us. In here, in your hearts. He's what makes us not want to go to work, or exercise, or tell the truth. He's that little voice in your mind that says "**** you" to the people you hate.
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Raven Title: SFF: Books and Comics Mangler Registered: Oct '98	Date Posted: 1/24/06 10:20am Subject: RE: The Coming of Conan the Cimmerian
	I'm not meaning to say that their better than the original print versions: just that Howard's stories aren't translating as well as might be expected into comic form. The God in the Bowl, one of Howard's weaker stories, has been the strongest comic so far in my opinion. -----signature----- 1. Seek enlightenment. 2. ??? 3. Prophet.
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RolandofGilead Title: Manager Emeritus Registered: Jan '01	Date Posted: 1/24/06 1:30pm Subject: RE: The Coming of Conan the Cimmerian
	I can't be the judge as I don't have the opportunity to collect comics anymore. -----signature----- Satan's not in a guitar pick, he's inside all of us. In here, in your hearts. He's what makes us not want to go to work, or exercise, or tell the truth. He's that little voice in your mind that says "**** you" to the people you hate.
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RolandofGilead Title: Manager Emeritus Registered: Jan '01	Date Posted: 2/10/06 10:57am Subject: RE: The Coming of Conan the Cimmerian
	I finally started reading through the latest edition of Howard's collected works, The Savage Sword of Conan, only to learn that this is sadly the final volumn. He died about 10 months after completing the last story listed in the book and there is no record of any further story ideas or notes for Conan. I know this is from way back in 1939, but it still affected me. -----signature----- Satan's not in a guitar pick, he's inside all of us. In here, in your hearts. He's what makes us not want to go to work, or exercise, or tell the truth. He's that little voice in your mind that says "**** you" to the people you hate.
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VadersLaMent Registered: Apr '02	Date Posted: 2/10/06 4:38pm Subject: RE: The Coming of Conan the Cimmerian
	A Short Biography of Robert E. Howard -----signature----- Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic--Arthur C. Clarke Any sufficiently advanced extraterrestrial intelligence is indistinguishable from God--Michael Shermer I am a sexy, shoeless GOD OF WAR!
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RolandofGilead Title: Manager Emeritus Registered: Jan '01	Date Posted: 2/14/06 3:43pm Subject: RE: The Coming of Conan the Cimmerian
	Thank you so much for the link. I've seen most of that information before, but all the publications I've read have avoided talking about his suicide. It's tragic, but does answer a lot for me. The article has also inpired me to look beyond Conan and into some of Howard's other works. -----signature----- Satan's not in a guitar pick, he's inside all of us. In here, in your hearts. He's what makes us not want to go to work, or exercise, or tell the truth. He's that little voice in your mind that says "**** you" to the people you hate.
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steve12553 Registered: Feb '06	Date Posted: 2/20/06 5:44pm Subject: RE: The Coming of Conan the Cimmerian
	I'm surprised that noone pointed out the link between the Conan movies and the theme of this website. Did anyone else notice that Thulsa Doom and Lord Vadar kinda sound the same? That also made the first movie worthy of a sequel. Just not that sequel. -----signature----- ...when you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth... "...That is the place where we cannot look...the place where only a Kwisatz Haderach may look."
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VadersLaMent Registered: Apr '02	Date Posted: 2/23/06 5:37pm Subject: RE: The Coming of Conan the Cimmerian
	Here is a well done map of Conan's World I think you might like. It comes from THIS PAGE which is a D20 RPG conversion site. There is an official D20 Conan rulebook so the stats might not be the same but it appears well researched. Clicking on the links to the stats pages also feature orginal artwork from Weird Tales, and the characters are given basic summaries of their part in the Conan Saga. -----signature----- Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic--Arthur C. Clarke Any sufficiently advanced extraterrestrial intelligence is indistinguishable from God--Michael Shermer I am a sexy, shoeless GOD OF WAR!
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RolandofGilead Title: Manager Emeritus Registered: Jan '01	Date Posted: 2/24/06 8:21am Subject: RE: The Coming of Conan the Cimmerian
	Awesome find. I would prefer to avoid any Conan that was not writeen by Robert E Howard, but it looks like the author of that site tried to remain true to the source. -----signature----- Satan's not in a guitar pick, he's inside all of us. In here, in your hearts. He's what makes us not want to go to work, or exercise, or tell the truth. He's that little voice in your mind that says "**** you" to the people you hate.
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severian28 Registered: Apr '04	Date Posted: 2/24/06 1:46pm Subject: RE: The Coming of Conan the Cimmerian - Date Edited: 2/24/06 1:57pm (1 edits total) Edited By: severian28
	RolandofGilead posted: This isn't a sale, but as I mentioned, there's a company that's been collecting all of Howard's real work, and printing them in order of release. In other words, the way that Conan occured to his creator. They've released three books so far: The Coming of Conan the Cimmerian The Bloody Crown of Conan The Savage Sword of Conan Anything else is just pretenders. Howard is the greatest writer in American history. His character Conan is a much truer embodiment of the American spirit then Twains' Huckleberry Finn or Lees' Atticus Finch - and obviously he does in a very, very different manner, having the story set in Hyperborea, which is Howards' version of prehistoric earth. These recent publications show very clearly that Howard very much intended to present Conan in a fractured chronology with the various different entries placing Conan at different stages of his life ( The first Conan story written would actually, and has actually, be one the last stories in his saga ). Howard has very unfairly been lumped into the pulp crowd for almost 70 years now. These publications are evidence of his genius to even the most discerning scholars and literary historians that may have previously chalked up Howard as a hack. They also lend evidence of how WAY ahead of his time he was from a human social/behavorial stand point. Please dont get me started - I can literally talk about Robert Howard and Conan for the rest of my life. Im border line verbatim with his stuff, written tons of A papers centering on Conan in college, and in a myriad of different classes, too - psychology, sociology, philosophy on top of writing classes. Believe me this guy was the real deal and deserves to have his named mentioned in the same breath with ANY of what are generally considered the " greats " of American writing - Twain, Poe, Capote, Hemingway, any of them. -----signature----- " Bring the sled " - Al Swearengen " Dying all the time. Lose your dreams and you will lose your mind. Aint life unkind? " - The Rolling Stones
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VadersLaMent Registered: Apr '02	Date Posted: 2/24/06 2:34pm Subject: RE: The Coming of Conan the Cimmerian
	Maybe you can help me with something I'm curious about. Were there any major fantasy stories before Howard's time besides Arthur, Beowolf, Greek mythologies and so forth? It seems to me that the 19th century spawned western tales. I know there was Bram Stoker's Dracula and Frankenstein and various other horror works, but what about fanatsy? -----signature----- Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic--Arthur C. Clarke Any sufficiently advanced extraterrestrial intelligence is indistinguishable from God--Michael Shermer I am a sexy, shoeless GOD OF WAR!
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severian28 Registered: Apr '04	Date Posted: 2/24/06 3:18pm Subject: RE: The Coming of Conan the Cimmerian
	There was a ton of Celtic and Welsh myths and fairy tales well before the 20th century , which we in here would consider " sword and sorcery " type of fantasy, that have deep roots in the works you have listed. All of this kind of stuff is heavily influenced by Greek Mythology ( as all fictional literature is ) and later Beowulf. -----signature----- " Bring the sled " - Al Swearengen " Dying all the time. Lose your dreams and you will lose your mind. Aint life unkind? " - The Rolling Stones
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RolandofGilead Title: Manager Emeritus Registered: Jan '01	Date Posted: 2/24/06 4:22pm Subject: RE: The Coming of Conan the Cimmerian
	Howard wasn't the first to introduce Fantasy, but he is one of the first to take take horror and other-wordly influences of Poe and Lovecraft and twist them into the Fantasy genre. -----signature----- Satan's not in a guitar pick, he's inside all of us. In here, in your hearts. He's what makes us not want to go to work, or exercise, or tell the truth. He's that little voice in your mind that says "**** you" to the people you hate.
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VadersLaMent Registered: Apr '02	Date Posted: 2/24/06 4:34pm Subject: RE: The Coming of Conan the Cimmerian
	I know Howard did not introduce fantasy, but aside from Conan and LOTR I'm not aware of any fantasy that came from that time period or immediately before, it seems to have been dominated by western and superheor mythology. -----signature----- Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic--Arthur C. Clarke Any sufficiently advanced extraterrestrial intelligence is indistinguishable from God--Michael Shermer I am a sexy, shoeless GOD OF WAR!
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