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Stained-Blade Registered: Nov '05	Date Posted: 3/1/06 1:08pm Subject: RE: The Coming of Conan the Cimmerian
	Don't forget Edgar Rice Burroughs. There's an echo of his work in the Conan stories, for sure. People use "pulp" as (they think) a pejorative, which in fact Dickens' Great Expectations was released as a serial in the London Times, I believe. By that reasoning, Dickens is also a "pulp" author, therefore... Therefore, nothing. REH is a great American writer.
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VadersLaMent Registered: Apr '02	Date Posted: 3/1/06 2:00pm Subject: RE: The Coming of Conan the Cimmerian
	Ah, Burroughs. I have the first two Tarzan books, for whatever reason I never even started the second but I loved the first. Just for fun, anyone, list your favorite REH Conan stories; Top Three, Top Five, Top Ten, whatever you choose. For me: The Tower of the Elephant The People of the Black Circle Red Nails -----signature----- Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic--Arthur C. Clarke Any sufficiently advanced extraterrestrial intelligence is indistinguishable from God--Michael Shermer I am a sexy, shoeless GOD OF WAR!
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severian28 Registered: Apr '04	Date Posted: 3/1/06 3:54pm Subject: RE: The Coming of Conan the Cimmerian
	VadersLaMent posted: Ah, Burroughs. I have the first two Tarzan books, for whatever reason I never even started the second but I loved the first. Just for fun, anyone, list your favorite REH Conan stories; Top Three, Top Five, Top Ten, whatever you choose. For me: The Tower of the Elephant The People of the Black Circle Red Nails Those three, along with the only Conan novel " The Hour of the Dragon " are generally considered Howards' masterpieces. And as I have already stated, that would make them out and out masterpieces of American literature. His Solomon Kane works are wonderful, too. -----signature----- " Bring the sled " - Al Swearengen " Dying all the time. Lose your dreams and you will lose your mind. Aint life unkind? " - The Rolling Stones
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RolandofGilead Title: Manager Emeritus Registered: Jan '01	Date Posted: 3/1/06 4:08pm Subject: RE: The Coming of Conan the Cimmerian
	I loved Hour of the Dragon. I know it was repetative of Howard's other works, but it had to be. Howard wanted to sell to England and was told that short stories wouldn't work. Instead he weaved one long fantastic novel "inspired" by some of his previous works. If Arnold were to come back for a new Conan film, this would be the one I'd want them to use. Just the imagery of King Conan as the lone survivor battling an entire army would be awesome. -----signature----- Satan's not in a guitar pick, he's inside all of us. In here, in your hearts. He's what makes us not want to go to work, or exercise, or tell the truth. He's that little voice in your mind that says "**** you" to the people you hate.
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VadersLaMent Registered: Apr '02	Date Posted: 3/1/06 4:17pm Subject: RE: The Coming of Conan the Cimmerian
	As I understand Arnold's condition, he still maintains a body weight of 210 lbs while during Conan he was 220 lbs. Not a huge difference, but though Arnold is in far better condition than an average man halh his age, he is still far from his best and his heart condition may prevent him from putting a body together for the role. There could be ways around it by keeping him mostly covered up, but I think his Conan days are behind him. He opted for a tissue treatment instead of a mechanical treatment so he could keep in shape. A mechanical part in his heart would have been a permanent fix but he workoouts would have been greatly reduced. His tissue treatment may require another operation in the future. -----signature----- Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic--Arthur C. Clarke Any sufficiently advanced extraterrestrial intelligence is indistinguishable from God--Michael Shermer I am a sexy, shoeless GOD OF WAR!
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severian28 Registered: Apr '04	Date Posted: 3/1/06 4:28pm Subject: RE: The Coming of Conan the Cimmerian
	RolandofGilead posted: I loved Hour of the Dragon. I know it was repetative of Howard's other works, but it had to be. Howard wanted to sell to England and was told that short stories wouldn't work. Instead he weaved one long fantastic novel "inspired" by some of his previous works. If Arnold were to come back for a new Conan film, this would be the one I'd want them to use. Just the imagery of King Conan as the lone survivor battling an entire army would be awesome. At this point, considering Arnolds career and where he sits now, it would be fittingly ironic and correct to cast him as the older, wiser Conan. Now more than ever that casting would be perfect - in case anyone thought that his intial casting was bad. -----signature----- " Bring the sled " - Al Swearengen " Dying all the time. Lose your dreams and you will lose your mind. Aint life unkind? " - The Rolling Stones
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RevantheJediMaster Registered: Jun '05	Date Posted: 3/1/06 10:01pm Subject: RE: The Coming of Conan the Cimmerian - Date Edited: 3/1/06 10:04pm (1 edits total) Edited By: RevantheJediMaster
	VadersLaMent posted: Maybe you can help me with something I'm curious about. Were there any major fantasy stories before Howard's time besides Arthur, Beowolf, Greek mythologies and so forth? It seems to me that the 19th century spawned western tales. I know there was Bram Stoker's Dracula and Frankenstein and various other horror works, but what about fanatsy? There was The Worm Ouroboros by E.R. Eddison in 1922 and is possibly the first work of High Epic Fantasy. There are also the works of Robert Moriss, George MacDonald, James Branch Cabell, Hope Mirrlees, Lewis Carrol, and Lord Dunsany. On Amazon.com it says that Lord Dunsany created the Sword and Sorcery genre in his early short stories. -----signature----- 2009 or 2010 Star Wars LAS featuring Boba Fett! Fall 2008 Clone Wars 3D Animated Series comes out! *August 15, 2008 Star Wars returns to theaters!
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RolandofGilead Title: Manager Emeritus Registered: Jan '01	Date Posted: 3/2/06 8:07am Subject: RE: The Coming of Conan the Cimmerian
	That's probably true. Funny that they credit Howard with the same thing. -----signature----- Satan's not in a guitar pick, he's inside all of us. In here, in your hearts. He's what makes us not want to go to work, or exercise, or tell the truth. He's that little voice in your mind that says "**** you" to the people you hate.
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Stained-Blade Registered: Nov '05	Date Posted: 3/2/06 11:21am Subject: RE: The Coming of Conan the Cimmerian
	RolandofGilead posted: That's probably true. Funny that they credit Howard with the same thing. Not sure who "they" is but usually I see "heroic fantasy" attached to REH's work, as a subgenus. And he's definitely the creator of that style. I liked Rogues in the House, mostly because of the interesting characters and plot twists. Hour of the Dragon would be ideal film-fodder though, especially seeing Conan going on a basic tour of the Hyborian World. Not sure if this has been mentioned, but check out http://www.conan.com one of these days.
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VadersLaMent Registered: Apr '02	Date Posted: 3/2/06 12:34pm Subject: RE: The Coming of Conan the Cimmerian
	I've been the the Conan web page a few times. Has anyone read the Age Of Conan books? Review? -----signature----- Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic--Arthur C. Clarke Any sufficiently advanced extraterrestrial intelligence is indistinguishable from God--Michael Shermer I am a sexy, shoeless GOD OF WAR!
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RevantheJediMaster Registered: Jun '05	Date Posted: 3/2/06 4:11pm Subject: RE: The Coming of Conan the Cimmerian
	Stained-Blade posted: RolandofGilead posted: That's probably true. Funny that they credit Howard with the same thing. Not sure who "they" is but usually I see "heroic fantasy" attached to REH's work, as a subgenus. And he's definitely the creator of that style. I liked Rogues in the House, mostly because of the interesting characters and plot twists. Hour of the Dragon would be ideal film-fodder though, especially seeing Conan going on a basic tour of the Hyborian World. Not sure if this has been mentioned, but check out http://www.conan.com one of these days. By "they" he means Amazon.com since they said Lord Dunsany created the Sword and Sorcery genre in his early short stories and that they also said that REH created the S&S genre. -----signature----- 2009 or 2010 Star Wars LAS featuring Boba Fett! Fall 2008 Clone Wars 3D Animated Series comes out! *August 15, 2008 Star Wars returns to theaters!
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severian28 Registered: Apr '04	Date Posted: 3/7/06 12:48pm Subject: RE: The Coming of Conan the Cimmerian - Date Edited: 3/7/06 12:50pm (1 edits total) Edited By: severian28
	RevantheJediMaster posted: Stained-Blade posted: RolandofGilead posted: That's probably true. Funny that they credit Howard with the same thing. Not sure who "they" is but usually I see "heroic fantasy" attached to REH's work, as a subgenus. And he's definitely the creator of that style. I liked Rogues in the House, mostly because of the interesting characters and plot twists. Hour of the Dragon would be ideal film-fodder though, especially seeing Conan going on a basic tour of the Hyborian World. Not sure if this has been mentioned, but check out http://www.conan.com one of these days. By "they" he means Amazon.com since they said Lord Dunsany created the Sword and Sorcery genre in his early short stories and that they also said that REH created the S&S genre. You have to put into perspective that as far as landscapes, backgrounds, and even themes you'd find very little that would be " original " in sword and sorcery type stories even circa 1930. Where Howard sets himself apart ( as any great writer does ) is the actual character of Conan - from the unbridled rage of his youth to the tempered wisdom of the aging usurper king ( where the rageful barbarian lays dormant but still very much there ), from the way Conan shows disdain to " civilization " and " order " as prefabricated ideas of weaker men to the realization that his survival very much depends on the control he has over himself in the world he walks. Its really, really progressive and controversial stuff - possibly moreso now than then. Howard, like Siegal and Shuster at about the same time and ( unfortunately ) Adolph Hitler, felt a deep personel connection to the philosophies of Nietzche, and the character of Conan falls directly in the middle interpretively from Siegal and Shusters Superman and Hitlers " master race ". Howard was a tortured soul also, who ultimately didnt heed the actions of his greatest creation by letting the barbarian in himslf loose beyond his writings. -----signature----- " Bring the sled " - Al Swearengen " Dying all the time. Lose your dreams and you will lose your mind. Aint life unkind? " - The Rolling Stones
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Stained-Blade Registered: Nov '05	Date Posted: 3/16/06 1:06pm Subject: RE: The Coming of Conan the Cimmerian
	Also, Howard's style of prose manages, with a few words, to suggest an entire exotic world and headlong action. He uses words at the periphery of our vocabulary that force our own imagination to fill in the details, making it that much more vivid and personal.
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VadersLaMent Registered: Apr '02	Date Posted: 3/16/06 2:13pm Subject: RE: The Coming of Conan the Cimmerian
	Stained-Blade posted: Also, Howard's style of prose manages, with a few words, to suggest an entire exotic world and headlong action. He uses words at the periphery of our vocabulary that force our own imagination to fill in the details, making it that much more vivid and personal. The cliffs rose sheer from the jungle, towering ramparts of stone that glinted jade-blue and dull crimson in the rising sun, and curved away and away to east and west above the waving emerald ocean of fronds and leaves. It looked insurmountable, the giant palisades with its sheer curtains of solid rock in which bits of quartz winked dazzingly in the sunlight. But the man who was working his tedious way upward was already halfway to the top. You mean like that? -----signature----- Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic--Arthur C. Clarke Any sufficiently advanced extraterrestrial intelligence is indistinguishable from God--Michael Shermer I am a sexy, shoeless GOD OF WAR!
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RolandofGilead Title: Manager Emeritus Registered: Jan '01	Date Posted: 3/16/06 3:35pm Subject: RE: The Coming of Conan the Cimmerian
	"The Servants of Bit-Yakin" I just read that story. -----signature----- Satan's not in a guitar pick, he's inside all of us. In here, in your hearts. He's what makes us not want to go to work, or exercise, or tell the truth. He's that little voice in your mind that says "**** you" to the people you hate.
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