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Ender_Sai Title: Manager Emeritus Registered: Feb '01	Date Posted: 1/5/06 3:56pm Subject: RE: The Realm of Fae'Run: Forgotten Realms discussion (Books, games etc)
	I really enjoy Salvatore's books (including his SW books, and the churlish fan reaction to Vector Prime is shameful), and even his villains - Artemis Entreri, especially - are kickass. I'm partial to Corymr, since my current Paladin is from Corymr. We actually destroyed a gnoll infestation of a keep there and now run it as a small outpost, where travelling adventurers (Good alignment only, Torm tolerates no naughtiness!;)) can rest and get healing. I love FR! E_S -----signature----- In this truth he knew himself to be. From sinking sands he stepped into light's embrace.
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Amon_Amarth Registered: Jan '05	Date Posted: 1/5/06 4:03pm Subject: RE: The Realm of Fae'Run: Forgotten Realms discussion (Books, games etc)
	I'm also wondering if anyone has read the Year Of Rogue Dragon series and what you think of it. It has not yet arrived to local bookshops. But I've heard that it is an excellent serial. Who is the author? -----signature----- Jedi Guardian - Acolytes of Revan "The Force is fine...but I would have preferred some company." 'Caenorhabditis elegans' is much better than Darth Plagueis at cheating death. "Don't **** with the Jedi Master, son!" Mark Hamill, CE
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Zebra3 Registered: Aug '04	Date Posted: 1/5/06 4:13pm Subject: RE: The Realm of Fae'Run: Forgotten Realms discussion (Books, games etc)
	Oy! I have so many books on my "To Read List" it's not even funny. I have the Rogue Dragon books but still haven't gotten around to reading them yet -----signature----- recipient of the coveted Corellian Ewokstripes with bronze cluster My icon archive -- > http://zebra3icons.bravehost.com/main1.html I'm currently reading Han Solo's Revenge I'm currently playing Tomb Raider Anniversary
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Svebor Registered: Nov '05	Date Posted: 1/6/06 8:11am Subject: RE: The Realm of Fae'Run: Forgotten Realms discussion (Books, games etc)
	Awesome topic! I love D&D, I play v.3,5 and I am especially fond to realm of Faerun. My favourite country to start an adventure would probably be Amn, but my goal for knowing Faerun and its secrets would be Myth Drannor. I usualy play as a wizard, so those kind makes my favourite characters in thease books. Someone mentioned Elminster Saga. Brilliant work indeed. my favourite FR story is Dark Elf Trilogy.
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Zebra3 Registered: Aug '04	Date Posted: 1/6/06 8:32am Subject: RE: The Realm of Fae'Run: Forgotten Realms discussion (Books, games etc)
	For more on Myth Drannor you need to check out Forgotten House and Farthest Reach. I just love those evil Dlardrageths. -----signature----- recipient of the coveted Corellian Ewokstripes with bronze cluster My icon archive -- > http://zebra3icons.bravehost.com/main1.html I'm currently reading Han Solo's Revenge I'm currently playing Tomb Raider Anniversary
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Amon_Amarth Registered: Jan '05	Date Posted: 1/8/06 2:49pm Subject: RE: The Realm of Fae'Run: Forgotten Realms discussion (Books, games etc)
	Svebor posted: My favourite country to start an adventure would probably be Amn Hmm... I can't remember any FR books that I've read that mentiones some big adventure in Amn... Can anyone reccomend me some? -----signature----- Jedi Guardian - Acolytes of Revan "The Force is fine...but I would have preferred some company." 'Caenorhabditis elegans' is much better than Darth Plagueis at cheating death. "Don't **** with the Jedi Master, son!" Mark Hamill, CE
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VadersLaMent Registered: Apr '02	Date Posted: 1/8/06 3:16pm Subject: RE: The Realm of Fae'Run: Forgotten Realms discussion (Books, games etc)
	I myself no very little about Amn besides its location. Other than Halruua I wouldn't mind starting in Silverymoon. The wizards college there will train one to mid level, you can get a job as a Spellguard to take care of the city's wards to help pay for that training, and that whole area is very dangerous, lots of experience to be gained there. Not to mention, there is alot of nether magic and knowledge to be found in that part of the world. Of course, getting it could pose a problem... -----signature----- Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic--Arthur C. Clarke Any sufficiently advanced extraterrestrial intelligence is indistinguishable from God--Michael Shermer I am a sexy, shoeless GOD OF WAR!
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BroodingLion Registered: Mar '04	Date Posted: 1/8/06 7:28pm Subject: RE: The Realm of Fae'Run: Forgotten Realms discussion (Books, games etc)
	The Year of Rogue Dragons is by Richard Lee Byers, who also did Dissolution, the first of the War of the Spider Queen series. I like it a lot; Byers is a good action writer, and does a good take on the whole band-of-heroes thing, I think. Some might consider the main protag yet another strong silent troubled type, but that's a cliche I'm personally fond of. Anyone else read Promise of the Witch King yet? -----signature----- Beyond the Saga: Of Virtue and Violence - Hunt for the Lionheart http://boards.theforce.net/Message.aspx?topic=24329169&brd=10477
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Ender_Sai Title: Manager Emeritus Registered: Feb '01	Date Posted: 1/9/06 1:26am Subject: RE: The Realm of Fae'Run: Forgotten Realms discussion (Books, games etc)
	Amn is on the Sword Coast, and houses Athkatla - setting of Baldur's Gate II. How is promise of the Witch King? I'm reading Dark Nest 3 and A Feast For Crows - and I'm wondering why we have a poor FR writer (Denning) instead of a good FR writer (Salvatore) doing Star Wars. (And hence the signature) E_S -----signature----- In this truth he knew himself to be. From sinking sands he stepped into light's embrace.
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BroodingLion Registered: Mar '04	Date Posted: 1/9/06 10:45am Subject: RE: The Realm of Fae'Run: Forgotten Realms discussion (Books, games etc) - Date Edited: 1/9/06 10:46am (1 edits total) Edited By: BroodingLion
	I liked Promise a lot. It's been described as a lot "tighter" than his other stuff, especially in light of the Hunter's Blades. It's basically a dungeon crawl, but with the added purpose of seeing where Entreri's emotional and psychological development is going. There are a couple of pretty good dialogue scenes between him and Jarlaxle, and a lot of action scenes. Some have complained that it just seems like a bunch of fight scenes strung together, but all in all I think it's fun, and watching Entreri's character development is always a treat. A lot of supporting characters, some more interesting than others, and there is a bigger story arc concerning local power struggles that sort of takes a backseat to the rest of the action but is brought to the fore at the end. I'm actually pretty fond of Denning, but I think the reason we haven't seen much of Salvatore is the backlash after Vector Prime. It's a shame, really, but he's thinking of doing another DemonWars novel soon. -----signature----- Beyond the Saga: Of Virtue and Violence - Hunt for the Lionheart http://boards.theforce.net/Message.aspx?topic=24329169&brd=10477
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Zebra3 Registered: Aug '04	Date Posted: 1/9/06 11:06am Subject: RE: The Realm of Fae'Run: Forgotten Realms discussion (Books, games etc)
	I have to admit that I've never really liked the Artemis character. I don't know why but there just doesn't seem to be much to him. That said, I haven't read Promise yet and I doubt I will until it comes out in paperback. Is Entreiei's character expanded beyond just him being an assassin? -----signature----- recipient of the coveted Corellian Ewokstripes with bronze cluster My icon archive -- > http://zebra3icons.bravehost.com/main1.html I'm currently reading Han Solo's Revenge I'm currently playing Tomb Raider Anniversary
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BroodingLion Registered: Mar '04	Date Posted: 1/9/06 5:14pm Subject: RE: The Realm of Fae'Run: Forgotten Realms discussion (Books, games etc) - Date Edited: 1/9/06 5:15pm (1 edits total) Edited By: BroodingLion
	Have you read Salvatore's short stories in the more recent "Realms of..." anthologies (Realms of Shadows, Best Of the Realms, and Realms of the Dragons, in that order)? They basically have Entreri trying hard to maintain the personality he has, but being drawn - or forced - by Jarlaxle to start changing his behavior a little bit at a time, since he's left his old high-paying lifestyle behind and is out on the frontier. In the Dragons story he gets what seems like a relatively minor item, that he hangs on to throughout Promise, and some people are actually complaining/worrying over at the rasalvatore.com boards that due to its influence, Entreri might start getting soft. Things are changing with him, I think, though he still has his share of he's-annoying-so-maybe-I'll-just-kill-him thoughts, I admit. If you haven't read the short stories and have no particular desire to, I guess I can summarize them. -----signature----- Beyond the Saga: Of Virtue and Violence - Hunt for the Lionheart http://boards.theforce.net/Message.aspx?topic=24329169&brd=10477
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Zebra3 Registered: Aug '04	Date Posted: 1/9/06 5:24pm Subject: RE: The Realm of Fae'Run: Forgotten Realms discussion (Books, games etc)
	I have to admit that the short story format is probably my least favorite in literature. I typically don't go looking to buy those antholigies. So a summary of those stories would be great! -----signature----- recipient of the coveted Corellian Ewokstripes with bronze cluster My icon archive -- > http://zebra3icons.bravehost.com/main1.html I'm currently reading Han Solo's Revenge I'm currently playing Tomb Raider Anniversary
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BroodingLion Registered: Mar '04	Date Posted: 1/9/06 7:09pm Subject: RE: The Realm of Fae'Run: Forgotten Realms discussion (Books, games etc) - Date Edited: 1/9/06 7:12pm (2 edits total) Edited By: BroodingLion
	I know what you mean. Only reason I started was to keep up with Entreri. Sometimes I do find other things that are interesting, and it seems that more and more the authors are using them to set up or clarify things for future novels. Anyway: *SPOILERS* Realms of Shadow: "That Curious Sword" - Entreri and Jarlaxle have made it pretty far north since the events of Servant of the Shard, to Heliogabalus in Vaasa. While they're in a tavern waiting for what they ordered, Entreri shouts at the serving girl that she's "taking far too long!" Jarlaxle says "You've flustered her," and suggests that a man like Entreri doesn't need to sink to the level of yelling at bar wenches. Entreri gets up, starts walking across the room, stares down anyone who gets in his way, and when he reaches the girl gets down on one knee, gives her a gold coin, and sort-of-apologizes. Jarlaxle laughs. Then they're approached for a job to steal a figurine; they break into the second-story apartment where it's supposed to be, and are caught in a trap by a shade with hounds. Entreri kills the shade with his dagger and absorbs some of his essence, making his skin a little gray. Jarlaxle suggests that he'll be an even better assassin now, and it turns out that Charon's Claw is a Netherese artifact the shade was trying to get his hands on. It now responds better to Entreri. Best of the Realms: "Empty Joys" - A curious Jarlaxle and a bored Entreri team up temporarily with some wannabe highwaymen. At this point Entreri has realized that his absorption of the shade's essence seems to have slowed his aging, and Jarlaxle's given him a new shirt with metal threading to replace his leather armor. Entreri suffers a rare bout of introspection and also realizes that he seems to have no real reason to stick with Jarlaxle, and in fact suspects that one day Jarl'll get them into a situation out of which there is no escape, but seems resigned to the fact that Jarlaxle is his friend, and he can't quite give that up. After a couple of tendays, the highwaymen have succeeded only in capturing a baker; they were going to kill him but Jarlaxe convinced them to spare him, tasted a cookie, and demanded he stay on. Entreri is growing increasingly agitated, although Jarlaxle is having his fun messing with their heads in gambling. Finally, the bandits bring in two fishermen's daughters. While they're all distracted, Jarl gives Entreri the body language suggesting "have it your way," and they kill or disable all the highwaymen. Jarlaxle announces "You're a hero!" to Entreri, who can't quite bring himself to care. We learn that Kimmuriel Oblodra's been meeting periodically with Jarl to give him new trinkets or replace existing ones, so that Jarl can keep Entreri off-balance. Jarlaxle keeps the bird-summoning feather in his hat; he's grown fond of it. The story ends with Jarlaxle deciding he should find Entreri a woman, and also deciding to set the baker, Piter, up with a proper shop. Realms of Dragons: "Wickless in the Nether" - Entreri and Jarlaxle have been contacted through covert means to find their way to a meet point in the woods. Across from a shop selling gold stuff is a shop selling silver stuff; their clue is in the shop selling silver, and leads them to a simple cabin inhabited by a plain woman, who runs the silver shop. Her sister runs the gold shop, lives in a tower outside the city, and possesses a simple but elegant flute that the plain woman, Tazmikella, wants. Her sister is keeping it from her out of spite, she says. Jarlaxle acquaints himself with the sister, Ilnezhara, at an event in the city behind the scenes, while Entreri infiltrates the tower. Naturally, it's ostentatious, and Ilnezhara is gorgeous. She's also a step ahead of them; they get into a sticky situation and she sends them to kill Tazmikella. They figure something's not quite right, so they try to be the ones asking questions, for once. It ends with them learning that both sisters are dragons (Entreri's pissed at Jarlaxle for getting him into yet another dragon situation), who have decided that they want Entreri and Jarlaxle to work for them. They obviously have no choice. The contrast between the sisters may be important in a few ways; Jarl is rather fond of Ilnezhara, who finds Entreri's attitude crude and boring. Tazmikella finds him practical. The flute of Idalia, the item they'd originally been hired for, goes to Entreri. The dragon sisters suggest that he learn to play it. It's carved out of driftwood, and is unlovely, but Idalia is said to have put heart and soul into its making, so it may or may not have magical properties. *END SPOILERS* Another thing the short stories seem meant to emphasize is that Entreri feels increasingly pulled along by Jarlaxle. Salvatore likes to pose the questions: Does Entreri think/know that Jarlaxle is manipulating him? If so, why does he go along with it? Maybe friendship, but maybe other reasons too, is what Promise starts getting at (in between the dungeon crawling and fighting). -----signature----- Beyond the Saga: Of Virtue and Violence - Hunt for the Lionheart http://boards.theforce.net/Message.aspx?topic=24329169&brd=10477
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Excellence Registered: Jul '02	Date Posted: 1/9/06 7:23pm Subject: RE: The Realm of Fae'Run: Forgotten Realms discussion (Books, games etc) - Date Edited: 1/9/06 7:25pm (1 edits total) Edited By: Excellence
	I'm tediously playing though this Shadows of Amn, and know I will meet this Drizzt and co in a later assault on a major villain. The world seems large and rich in depth, but it's still generic fantasy. Forgotten Realms is every aspect of fantasy in one---vampires, dragons, elfs and all the other visceral cliche. I can see how it could be popular a decade ago, even half that, but compared to some of today's leading names like Erikson---whom I consider the master chef of fantasy---it pales. FR is just quick, light reading; even worse, you must adhere to how certain species must look and act. I'm now aware how duegar-class dwarfs and drow-class elfs will act in a book, because I just met them during the week, but I fear you're limited to what you can do and use when writing that series. Like Dragonlance, are you not reading the same thing time and again? -----signature----- The Brits gave the world Doctor Who We owe them
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