Author Topic: Has anyone else read starship troopers?
Raven 
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Registered: Oct '98
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Date Posted: 1/17/06 10:28am Subject: RE: Has anyone else read starship troopers?
PICTURETHIS, would you please cut down the condescension?

Yes, it does matter. That's an insular way to see it. Your 'general illustration of the social pitfalls of war doesn't need to refer to particular examples' is an erroneous arguement of your own.


I fail to see why to see something as a general illustration is an insular viewpoint, or why interpreting the novel or the movie as such is inherently erroneous. You yourself express confusion as to the exact message being sent: “I couldn't understand if he was making a reference to Americans and what was the message he was sending?” Since you yourself are uncertain as to what message is being sent, I would think that you would be more tolerant of alternate viewpoints and interpretations. Finally, the nature of art, even pop art, is such that multiple interpretations are usually possible.

If the exact inspirational conflict in reference is unclear, perhaps that is intentional? While I do not deny the possibility that the stories were intended as commentary directed at specific conflicts – that may very well have been the intent of the respective creators – I also believe that the stories can apply as general commentary on the nature of war.

 

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PICTURETHIS 
Registered: Jan '06
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Date Posted: 1/19/06 6:34pm Subject: RE: Has anyone else read starship troopers?
Andalite-Bandit posted:
How exactly do you know the incidents in Starship Troopers reference actual events experienced by Heinlen? First of all, he didn't fight in any war. Second of all, authors regularly make things up. That's kind of what their job is. There is sometimes a direct correlation to an actual event but other times there isn't. It is not required. Authors are very imaginative people.

Also, why are you going on calling people ignorant and such! This is a nice forum! We do not need that sort of silliness going on!
Are you HIM? Where you 'there' in his life? Where YOU actually privy to his thoughts? Hunh? Where you? NO. How do YOU know? He did serve in the US Naval Academy in Annapolis, Maryland from 1924 to 1929 but a medical condition ended his military career in 1934 but his devotion to the military continued on until his death. With the rise of Hitler and nazism, fascism and commumism spreading throughout Europe and news broadcasting events all over nations and the revelations of the atrocities being commited by the Germans, Japanese(of that era) RAH could have been affected by these and so after these events may have compelled him to work on a story that was an informal treatise on fascism.(Remember, he was devoted to the military until his death, remember that, and if you discount that as unlikely or unthinkable to imagine, then you explained yourself very well)


If I am missing information or am incorrect about this or that, I would accept being referred to as being ignorant because then there is the opportunity to change that condition as opposed to someone (which is frequent) who ultimately reveals him or herself by resorting to clumsy, awkward sounding name calling and slighting which is really a self-tesimonial of that person's loss of self-control even in a 'virtual' setting such as this. My tone was not meant to be mean spirited or vicious I was alarmed by statements I felt were incorrect. If I conveyed that, then I apologize for it, but referring to someone as ignorant is not necessarily a denigrating term. But, how often do people actually look into the many senses of a 'word' or in the tone that it was used?

 

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PICTURETHIS 
Registered: Jan '06
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Date Posted: 1/19/06 6:38pm Subject: RE: Has anyone else read starship troopers?
Raven posted:
PICTURETHIS, would you please cut down the condescension?

Yes, it does matter. That's an insular way to see it. Your 'general illustration of the social pitfalls of war doesn't need to refer to particular examples' is an erroneous arguement of your own.


I fail to see why to see something as a general illustration is an insular viewpoint, or why interpreting the novel or the movie as such is inherently erroneous. You yourself express confusion as to the exact message being sent: “I couldn't understand if he was making a reference to Americans and what was the message he was sending?” Since you yourself are uncertain as to what message is being sent, I would think that you would be more tolerant of alternate viewpoints and interpretations. Finally, the nature of art, even pop art, is such that multiple interpretations are usually possible.

If the exact inspirational conflict in reference is unclear, perhaps that is intentional? While I do not deny the possibility that the stories were intended as commentary directed at specific conflicts – that may very well have been the intent of the respective creators – I also believe that the stories can apply as general commentary on the nature of war.

Okay, I apologize to you and I did not mean to attack, if that's what I did, I apologize. I agree, of course, that a work of ark, literature, remarks are open to any interpretation.

 

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tal0nkarrde 
Registered: Dec '05
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Date Posted: 1/30/06 6:52pm Subject: RE: Has anyone else read starship troopers?
I read the novel by Robert Heinlein. I was not very impressed by it, although, judging from reviews, I suppose I should be. I actually enjoyed the movie better however loosely based on the novel it was.

 

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Raven 
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Date Posted: 1/31/06 8:35am Subject: RE: Has anyone else read starship troopers?
tal0nkarrde posted:
I read the novel by Robert Heinlein. I was not very impressed by it, although, judging from reviews, I suppose I should be. I actually enjoyed the movie better however loosely based on the novel it was.


As I say above, I feel the exact same way. Heinlein is not one of my favorite authors by any means, and I flipped through Starship Troopers the other day wondering why. I think that what it comes down to is that I just don't find his writing fun at all. His writing style feels so stark and grey, and there's never a real sense of honest playfulness in it.

 

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rumsmuggler 
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Date Posted: 1/31/06 6:32pm Subject: RE: Has anyone else read starship troopers?
I enjoyed the novel. I thought it would have been awesome if they had the powered suits in the film, but they didn't.

 

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Golden_Jedi 
Registered: Jun '05
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Date Posted: 2/10/06 9:43am Subject: RE: Has anyone else read starship troopers?
The noblest fate that a man can endure is to place his own mortal body between his loved home and the war's desolation.

That phrase put me to think for a while.

 

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steve12553 
Registered: Feb '06
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Date Posted: 2/20/06 6:09pm Subject: RE: Has anyone else read starship troopers?
A lot of the discussion in the previous posts seemed to ignore that when Heinlein wrote Starship Troopers he was not aware of the "politics in a bottle" we suffer from now. He promoted expansion. Once the Americans conquered America (as it were) there was really no place to go but up. We had dreams when I was a kid of expanding onto other planets and into other galaxies. No one from any country has made an attempt to do anything but orbit the Earth (Satellite repairmen) since the mid seventies. Our ideals had to do with new frontiers not trying to see how much money we could make with technology that isolates people and makes them lazy. (As I sit here 30 lbs overweight typing in a room by myself to other people in rooms by themselves). Verhoven almost seem to grasp the ideas but he seem to be having too much fun with the movie. I always took the book as inspiration for (if I may steal) "Boldly going where no one has gone before", not as a guideline for future politics.

 

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