Author Topic: Human? The Works of Karen Traviss
JediTrilobite 
Registered: Nov '99
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Date Posted: 1/29/06 6:02am Subject: Human? The Works of Karen Traviss - Date Edited: 3/25/08 10:46am (2 edits total) Edited By: Raven
Karen Traviss is one of my favorite authors. I actually knew of her before she started writing Republic Commando. My first story that I read of hers was Suitable for the Orient, in Asimovs and it's still one of my favorites. So learning that she wrote the start to a trilogy and a couple of Star Wars books, I've since read them all.

Her best books, IMO, is the City of Pearl, Crossing the Line and The World Before. She's constructed a huge, intriguing and wonderful, yet very offbeat universe in which everything takes place. Her characters are out of this world, literally, and so much attention has been paid to every detail.

Who's a fan?

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Sniper_Wolf 
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Date Posted: 1/29/06 10:37am Subject: RE: Human? The Works of Karen Traviss
I read City of Pearl, and it was so-so. I disliked how the whole "we're 70 years away from home" part was smacked over the readers' head multiple times. I have considered trying the sequel to see if it got better.

 

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sidious618 
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Date Posted: 1/29/06 12:10pm Subject: RE: Human? The Works of Karen Traviss
I thought City of Pearl was pretty good but not spectacular. I will read Crossing the Line eventually, though.

 

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Date Posted: 1/29/06 4:19pm Subject: RE: Human? The Works of Karen Traviss - Date Edited: 1/29/06 4:20pm (1 edits total) Edited By: -RebelScum-
I've made this thread, it is in the index.

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Excellence 
Registered: Jul '02
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Date Posted: 1/29/06 10:15pm Subject: RE: Human? The Works of Karen Traviss

Okay, I can finally join in having finished City of Pearl this weekend. I can see what classic literary tricks hooked the editor in first page, then first chapter. But as a whole book, I was far from impressed. not_talking

 

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Sniper_Wolf 
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Date Posted: 1/30/06 2:50pm Subject: RE: Human? The Works of Karen Traviss
Excellence posted:

Okay, I can finally join in having finished City of Pearl this weekend. I can see what classic literary tricks hooked the editor in first page, then first chapter. But as a whole book, I was far from impressed. not_talking


Shall we get an excellence-class critique of it? grin

 

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Date Posted: 1/31/06 12:39am Subject: RE: Human? The Works of Karen Traviss

Not this time, I've got too much going on at the moment. I only excellence a book as you put it when it's total rubbish. City of Pearl was a decent read, and I can respect that. tongue

Basically, insufficient excitement at the expense of conversational "excitement." Put another way, it was bloody boring to read! No cliffhanger climax. Ending's as sedative in pace as the whole book. The noncapitalised aliens made it harder to pick them out from uncapitalised plant or material names. Aras wasn't really too 3D to read.

On the subject of character characterisation, pretyy much everyone was a stereotypical "type" which made intrigue pointless as I unclothed the whole thing up front, and was proved right. You expect payload's scientists to act just as they did in these scenarios; I've read it many times in other books. Eddie Michallat was a page waster, nothing unexpected happened with him you can't predict. She drew on her news background in writing him, but aside from a simple stupid name Eddie to begin with, he too acted just as a typical reporter would. I didn't like the christianity aspect; I've made effort to avoid sci fi books that have it and wasn't aware this one did. I don't like seeing the usually prefered religion in sci fi and fantasy. The primal community was all but Amish. Yes, yes, I know why she used that religion: most of your readers are it, and it's universally recognised and known. But that still doesn't mean it's not cliche.

The storyline was pure cliche too. Megacorporations controlling the future, you know they are either regulating life or polluting the planet to Jabba's armit. Frankland's persona is cliche: the typical tough-talking chick. The staring competition was seriously annoying. I know people who do that, and they're determined to win.

Sadly, I disappoint them.

On the positive side, well, the first chapter was a hooker, as I said before. Bonus points for the two Talmud quotes. I'm fed up of seeing greek and italian numerals in books like alpha and beta, it's absolutely cliche. Black Fleet's author used Hebrew numbers instead, and it was a world of freshness.

I haven't listed all the issues, but time presses for me. I'm not in a hurry to read the second book, but I've not ruled out a definite no. The voice and storytelling were the strong points, but the ideas and execution lacked freshness. It's just that a hard-edged protaganist women is getting a bit abundant these days, like Y-beginning words.

 

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Raven 
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Date Posted: 1/31/06 7:45am Subject: RE: Human? The Works of Karen Traviss

I've enjoyed all the books the series so far. Ironically, I like them a lot better than Karen Traviss’s Star Wars books, and despite what she says about her Star Wars books, I think that they're head and shoulders above. They aren't always innovative (though there’s one or two interesting twists on existing ideas), but they do have a deft and interesting take on the characters, and the overall plot is interesting. They probably won’t rank as classics of sf literature (though I believe that Karen Traviss has the potential to write such a classic) but they’re well worth reading.

 

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JediTrilobite 
Registered: Nov '99
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Date Posted: 1/31/06 10:14am Subject: RE: Human? The Works of Karen Traviss
Raven posted:

I've enjoyed all the books the series so far. Ironically, I like them a lot better than Karen Traviss’s Star Wars books, and despite what she says about her Star Wars books, I think that they're head and shoulders above. They aren't always innovative (though there’s one or two interesting twists on existing ideas), but they do have a deft and interesting take on the characters, and the overall plot is interesting. They probably won’t rank as classics of sf literature (though I believe that Karen Traviss has the potential to write such a classic) but they’re well worth reading.



I completely agree, although she has gotten quite a bit of critical praise for her works thus far.

 

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JediTrilobite 
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Date Posted: 2/26/06 1:27pm Subject: RE: Human? The Works of Karen Traviss
Up - Republic Commando #2 is coming out soon, by Karen.

 

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Date Posted: 3/1/06 8:44pm Subject: RE: Human? The Works of Karen Traviss

Excellence posted:
On the positive side, well, the first chapter was a hooker



First Zonama's a stripper, now this book's first chapter is a hooker? I hope you're getting your money's worth, Excellence.

 

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Excellence 
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Date Posted: 3/1/06 10:18pm Subject: RE: Human? The Works of Karen Traviss

First book was heavily generic in both people and plot. I'll be a long time considering the sequel. It had sharp potential and the voice was good, but the uncapitalised alien names makes them harder to distiguish on-page to any plant or furniture name.

 

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JediTrilobite 
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Date Posted: 3/2/06 8:54am Subject: RE: Human? The Works of Karen Traviss
I asked Karen about the pacing of the first book, and she said that it was deliberate. Things certainly heat up by books 2 and 3.

 

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Excellence 
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Date Posted: 3/2/06 10:18pm Subject: RE: Human? The Works of Karen Traviss

Pacing wasn't an issue for me. City was just too sedative in action and lack of any sort of finale. It fizzled out as quietly as it begun; and I have to say, teh constant reminder of Frankland's unaltered body was a dead giveaway of what would happen.

 

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JediTrilobite 
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Date Posted: 3/3/06 4:08am Subject: RE: Human? The Works of Karen Traviss
You don't have to have action to have a good story.

 

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Sniper_Wolf 
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Date Posted: 3/3/06 3:03pm Subject: RE: Human? The Works of Karen Traviss
Excellence posted:

Pacing wasn't an issue for me. City was just too sedative in action and lack of any sort of finale. It fizzled out as quietly as it begun; and I have to say, teh constant reminder of Frankland's unaltered body was a dead giveaway of what would happen.


I think he's refering to action as in the characters lack of doing much in general. I agree about the Frankland part. Made the read quite boring. If the second book is another disappointment I'm dropping the series.

 

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