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whisperjedi
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RE: SPIDER-MAN: The Amazing, Sensational, Friendly Neighborhood Discussion Thread (HTR Spoilers)
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Has anyone picked up "What-if:Spider-Man V.S Wolverine." It's a interesting read. It worked for me because, Spidey becomes a spy, like his parents, and does away with his "nice guy" image. The "new" costume looks good, and the story is plausible in a "elseworlds" sorta way. A much better executed story than the various takes on Spider-man....cloning, unmaskings, and mindwipes.
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Darth-Ghost
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So how bad has this "Brand New Day" been so far, for those who still follow it? Do you really see the need yet why the marriage had to be erased from time for these stories to be told?
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Mastadge
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Most of the stories are not bad in and of themselves -- it was just a painful transition to an unnecessary status quo.
Slott's first arc was fun and looked good. Guggenheim's first arc was good. Gale's arc was dreadful, painful to read. Wells' arc was the best of the bunch so far -- it was a smaller story, Spidey was in character, it featured an unusual setting and some interesting compositions. Gale's follow-up one-shot persisted in being terrible. He needs to get out of comics fast. Slott's current arc is not so good at all. "Parkour luck"? Peter Parker, Paparazzi? The big reveal at the end of the latest issue? The idiocy with screwball?
I'll be okay with the book so long as, sooner or later, Parker has to pay the piper and actually deal with the consequences of his actions.
'nother problem is that with the thrice-monthly format, it's going to fall out of synch with the rest of the Marvel Universe very quickly.
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Spiderfan
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All I can say is I will be happy when BND ends. Its been mediocre at best and as stated the dramatic change seemed unnecessary. I don't mind change as long as it goes somewhere. The entire Spider-Man franchise seems to have been pretty aimless (or the directions they do end up taking go no where) since Romita Jr. stepped off the book...I will be glad when he comes back.
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Darth-Lando
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I agree with Mastadge. It's not BND that's bad. It was One More Day and they method they used to create this Brand New Day that left many, many, MANY, fans upset.
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NJOfan215
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5/23 10:16am
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I’ve been picking up spider-man haphazardly since brand new day started. I have the first 13 issues of it, so I’m two behind. I don’t know what to think of it. Looking at it solely on it’s own merits, it’s a very mediocre comic. The first two arcs by Slott and Gugenhiem were both fun. The plots were nothing special, but the art was awesome. The third arc had what could have been one of the best new spidey villains in recent years, but was horribly executed. The fourth arc was probably the best-written arc of them all and also had strong art. The next issue which was a one shot by gale, who wrote the crappy third arc, was better than any of his other issues, had good art and finely tied together some of the events of the previous issues. I was happy that this issue did this because the first two arcs seemed very separate from each other and from the third and fourth arcs were more closely linked.
The whole poor peter, he doesn’t have any money thing makes no sense at all. He has a freaking graduate degree in biochemistry! I have a BA in math and I make 50 an hour tutoring, with an MS he could tutor Bio, chem., and physics and make at least 75 an hour.
The main thing that I’ve noticed is that marvel is putting some high caliber art talent on the book, but the writing talent is suspect at best, slot is the only one that I think is qualified to write spidey. Gugenhiem has written some good wolverine books and a good supreme power mini, but all of these stories were about darker, more violent characters. I was happy with his spidey issues, but his recent x men stuff makes me wonder if he can consistently write good spidey stories. Bob Gale, besides back to the future, what has he done? His issues were the weakest of the bunch. Zeb Wells wrote some spidey stories for the lesser bought spidey books a few years ago, they were solid but nothing outstanding. These guys seem like a down grade in writing talent compared to the last batch of spidey writers. I think these guys have the minimal compitancy needed to write a spidey book, they need the work, and they haven’t developed big enough reputations to be able to tell Joe Q no, I’m not going to write this garbage.
As for the reboot, that made little sense. None of these stories needed it to happen for them to take place. I also think it really clashes with new avengers and secret invasion. If you were afraid that some one on your team was a skrull, wouldn’t you be really freaked out about the guy who you never see without the mask and whose identity you don’t know?
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NJOfan215 posted:
As for the reboot, that made little sense. None of these stories needed it to happen for them to take place. I also think it really clashes with new avengers and secret invasion. If you were afraid that some one on your team was a skrull, wouldn’t you be really freaked out about the guy who you never see without the mask and whose identity you don’t know?
My understanding was that they would do an arc in New Avengers about how the whole OMD/BND thing affects the rest of the universe so I am going to assume that it occurs after Secret Invasion. But since they are being rather quiet about it, I am hoping that SI will reveal it all to be an elaborate hoax...sadly thats unlikely...
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Mastadge
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5/23 10:49am
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Spiderfan posted:
My understanding was that they would do an arc in New Avengers about how the whole OMD/BND thing affects the rest of the universe so I am going to assume that it occurs after Secret Invasion. But since they are being rather quiet about it, I am hoping that SI will reveal it all to be an elaborate hoax...sadly thats unlikely...
No. There's a BND Spidey tie-in, and BND has already happened before SI.
BND happens during the Breakup issue of New Avengers, #38 I think. Most of the comic is about Luke going to Avengers Tower and confronting Jessica, right after they leave Strange's house. Then there's a "Later" caption and Iron Fist is showing the rest of the team to one of his buildings they can use. BND comes before that "Later" -- it's several days later, not just later that day.
The whole "100 days without Spider-Man" thing in early BND is nonsense. There aren't even 100 days in between Cap's death and the Secret Invasion. Maybe it was 100 hours.
They did promise that there would be some exploration of the missing memories and so forth, but so far that has not come to pass and I wouldn't doubt if they just drop it.
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Mastadge posted:
BND happens during the Breakup issue of New Avengers, #38 I think. Most of the comic is about Luke going to Avengers Tower and confronting Jessica, right after they leave Strange's house. Then there's a "Later" caption and Iron Fist is showing the rest of the team to one of his buildings they can use. BND comes before that "Later" -- it's several days later, not just later that day.
Where are you getting this from??
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From reading the books: before that issue, everyone knows he's Peter Parker. In that issue, they no longer do. That's really the only place it can happen.
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This is what it is about. Joe Quesada wanted to go back to the way the Spider-Man books were, before Tom DeFalco's first run as writer. Back before MJ knew. Back before the marriage. Back before JMS. Quesada wants a Spider-Man who cannot make good money and has to be a freelance photographer, rather than a teacher's assistant or even a reseach assistant. He wants to do things like they used to be and that's what we have here. The problem is that it doesn't work anymore.
As to Bob Gale, he did two Batman stories a few years back. Both were critically acclaimed. So why he doesn't fit with BND is beyond me.
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He wants to do things like they used to be and that's what we have here. The problem is that it doesn't work anymore.
It didn't work then either. Thats why the story evolved. And honestly erasing MJ knowing about Spidey is ridiculous as she's supposed to have discovered the truth the night Uncle Ben dies...how far back are they changing things???
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Spiderfan posted:
It didn't work then either. Thats why the story evolved. And honestly erasing MJ knowing about Spidey is ridiculous as she's supposed to have discovered the truth the night Uncle Ben dies...how far back are they changing things???
As it is NOBODY knowns that Spidey is Parker. Not MJ, not Aunt May. (Although I have a pet theory that MJ does no, but isn't allowed to let Peter know she knows -- living with that pain might be what she offered to Mephisto in that whisper. . .)
The real question is: what happened to the memories of Norman Osborn or Venom? Does Norman remember why he killed Gwen Stacy? Apparently not. Can Venom possibly have have forgotten his original host, after whom his look is styled? Apparently so.
They better have some darned convincing storytelling coming up to explain these things, now that Spidey's fighting the Thunderbolts (in Avengers/Invaders, as well as June's ASM issues. . .)
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Mastadge posted:
The real question is: what happened to the memories of Norman Osborn or Venom? Does Norman remember why he killed Gwen Stacy? Apparently not. Can Venom possibly have have forgotten his original host, after whom his look is styled? Apparently so.
Well the Venom angle will hopefully be addressed in the coming Anti-Venom storyline when JR Jr returns...
But this return to the status quo seems to be more about completely re-writing his history...which seems utterly silly given the impact it had having Norman know of his identity.
All I can say is this better be going somewhere.
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But the official word is it's not. They say that the only major change is that Peter and MJ never got married: they lived together for a while, but never actually took the vows.
Otherwise, everything happened as chronicled. Just NOBODY REMEMBERS. It's a Sentry-level re-writing of memory, not history.
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