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Death in Comics: Where is thy sting?
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Raven
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5/8 4:07am
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RE: Death in Comics: Where is thy sting?
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darth-sinister posted:
Yeah, those are all the figures of death in DC and Marvel. I cannot recall if Marvel has any others, but DC does have three. One for everyone in general, one for the New Gods and one for the Flashes.
In the DCU, people may see different things before meeting Death, they may see Death in different ways, but at the end of the day there's only one Death in the DCU. And she loves you.
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Jedimarine
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5/8 5:22am
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RE: Death in Comics: Where is thy sting?
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The reason characters come back is because of the fluid nature of a comic book audience.
When a character is killed...it has a dramatic and meaningful impact on folks who have been following the character in that period (perhaps a the story arc...or couple years...maybe a decade.)
Usually, when a character is brought back, some time has passed, and the audience has mutated into a conjunction of the die hard fans who persist in the series, and new fans who only know "of" the character in question...thus allowing a "return" of the "heard of" character to be almost the impact on new readership as the death did on the old.
Tie in the gimmicky nature to "recapture" some old readers, who are drawn in by "they brought him/her back!?" and whammo...
Is it artful in a realistic narrative form where they attempt to mimic everyday life with only super-human tendencies? Perhaps...perhaps not...but what cannot be ignored is the fiscal success of such moves...even if their artist meritic is suspect.
As long as "resurrection" can excite the new readers and draw back old readers and increase an issue count...this will happen.
Not to mention that comic book universes in general have a broken realism in terms of continuity and "modernizing"...this already cheapens death...because we all know Batman should be dead and Spiderman should be a balding fat guy.
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Alethia
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Most comic deaths I don't care too much about. Yes, having Kon or Bart back would be nice, but I wasn't broken hearted when they died. And Jason's one of my favorite characters, so I was thrilled that he was brought back. There was one death that I was thrilled to see, and now am incredibly annoyed that they live again. (Don't highlight unless you've read Robin 174) Why, oh why did they have to bring back Stephanie? She was a selfish, annoying character, who had nothing heroic about her, and she nearly destroyed Gotham because she was acting bratty. I honestly felt she deserved to die for all the deaths she caused by starting War Games. And they [i[brought her back[/i]?
Besides that death, I don't mind too much. Most of the time they come back. It really makes me wonder if any of the heroes even care about dying anymore, with the rate of how many people die and then end up alive again.
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darth-sinister
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You're in the minority. Many Robin fans liked Spoiler and were upset by the poor writing of the Bat books during "War Games" and how Spoiler was treated. That is why when Dixon returned to Robin, he wanted to bring her back.
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It's the unwritten rule for comics: Everyone comes back from the dead except uncle Ben, the Waynes and Gwen Stacey.
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darth-sinister
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Technically, Gwen did come back. Granted, it was a clone of her. But she was still resurrected in a sense.
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whisperjedi
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Speaking of Gwen Stacey...does anyone know if the Original Clone Saga with "Gwen Stacey" was a good read? Old back issues of Amazing Spiderman?
Barry Allen's still dead?
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Spiderfan
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darth-sinister posted:
Technically, Gwen did come back. Granted, it was a clone of her. But she was still resurrected in a sense.
If you want to be that technical, Uncle Ben has come back as well. Dr. Strange brought him back momentarily for Peter's Birthday in ASM 500. Not to mention the Alternate Universe version of him that has popped up.
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It frustrates me too, but then I go out and buy the return comics to see how it happens and the repercussions. *shrug*
The late 80's/early 90's were pretty bad though, especially with the X-men. How many times did we loose Jean Grey and Magneto? At least Barry and Jason were dead for an extended period of time. Jason's return actually caught me off guard.
This reminds me, I wonder if this is cannon. There's some special or annual that has a Flash story. It recaps Flash's sacrifice during the Crisis, he goes so fast that he turns into lightning, bends time in the process, and actually becomes the lighting bolt that turned him into Flash. I have the issue, I can dig it out.
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FlareStorm posted:
The late 80's/early 90's were pretty bad though, especially with the X-men. How many times did we loose Jean Grey and Magneto? At least Barry and Jason were dead for an extended period of time. Jason's return actually caught me off
It's turned into a running joke in the X-books. When Banshee died, his daughter Siryn just shrugged it off and said, "Oh, well he'll be back soon enough." And in the newest issue of Young X-Men I counted no less than three references to how the X-Men are hard to kill or don't stay dead.
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I am grateful for the X-Men's penchant to return in light of Giant Sized Astonishing X-Men.
However, it might be worth while to off someone major permanently among the X-Men roster and not have them return. Obviously the character that would likely be the most effective to kill would be Wolverine since he is the hardest to kill, but his "popularity" gives him some level of immunity. I think that would create a sense of danger again. Its a shame that M-Day and the school attacks in New X-Men and Messiah Complex didn't have the impact needed to remind us of the dangers these characters face regularly.
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darth-sinister
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FlareStorm posted:
It frustrates me too, but then I go out and buy the return comics to see how it happens and the repercussions. *shrug*
The late 80's/early 90's were pretty bad though, especially with the X-men. How many times did we loose Jean Grey and Magneto? At least Barry and Jason were dead for an extended period of time. Jason's return actually caught me off guard.
This reminds me, I wonder if this is cannon. There's some special or annual that has a Flash story. It recaps Flash's sacrifice during the Crisis, he goes so fast that he turns into lightning, bends time in the process, and actually becomes the lighting bolt that turned him into Flash. I have the issue, I can dig it out.
It still is. We'll see how Geoff Johns works it in with "Rogue's Revenge", but I'm sure it's still canon. It was part of the "Terminal Velocity" storyline which introduced the Speed Force.
whisperjedi posted:
Speaking of Gwen Stacey...does anyone know if the Original Clone Saga with "Gwen Stacey" was a good read? Old back issues of Amazing Spiderman?
They're okay. A bit convolted, but okay otherwise.
whisperjedi posted:
Barry Allen's still dead?
Not as of DC Universe #0.
Hell, there's talk over in Batman of Thomas Wayne being alive and that he hired Joe Chill to kill Martha and Bruce. Though we don't know if these are facts or the Black Glove planting false information.
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