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JEDI_TEEGIRLOO
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2/1/07 2:19pm
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RE: Buffy The Vampire Slayer/Angel Into the Hellmouths Of The World
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Buffy used to be my favorite show. I have the first two seasons on DVD. I need to get the rest. I used to watch Angel until they started to give powers to Charisma Carpentar. I thought they went to far and i couldnt get into it after that. I may try and watch reruns to see if i can come to a resolution. 
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ComicDiva
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Yeah, I actually like season 6 too. Well, I like the idea of season 6. I like that it was dark all over and like 5 it felt like there was a theme running throught the season, that affected everybody. Everything that could go wrong, went wrong in that season. I guess I'm just attracted to chaos. 
Oh, and to this day I can't rewatch the "rape scene".
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2/8/07 4:15pm
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TeeGirl!! Hey!
Oh i hate Cordelia.. Apart from in that episode where she kicks ***
Yeah, chaos is always good. Keeps up a good storyline. 
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darth-sinister
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2/8/07 11:16pm
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ComicDiva posted:
Yeah, I actually like season 6 too. Well, I like the idea of season 6. I like that it was dark all over and like 5 it felt like there was a theme running throught the season, that affected everybody. Everything that could go wrong, went wrong in that season. I guess I'm just attracted to chaos.
Oh, and to this day I can't rewatch the "rape scene".
Neither can James Marsters. He either has to change the channel, shut the television off or smash his television. Not his favorite moment in the history of the show.
Oh, head over to my Buffy thread in the books forum. Updates on the Buffy comics.
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Jedi Merkurian
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2/9/07 8:35am
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I've been trying to get my wife to watch Angel, and they've been on pretty heavy rotation on TNT. They've gone back to the first season, and well...they're kinda lame.
Seemed like in the 1st season there were several rather badly-written episodes. For example, there was one this morning where Buffy shows up, and Angel gets made into a normal human. Rather than enjoy some modicum of a life with Buffy, he asks the PTB to undo the last 24 hours. Except that not only did everything they accomplished together remain accomplished  but he's the only one who remembers what actually happened. Likewise, there was an episode where he gets a magic ring that allows him to overcome his greatest weakness (the sun) but for some reason, he decides not to keep it.
It's like they keep hitting the "re-set button" at the end of each episode for contrived reasons, and then rub salt in the wound so that Angel can have "oh noes, teh angst!1!!1!"
Don't get me wrong, I loved the series (except for the 4th season, it was all over the place). It's just that the 1st season had some not-so-stellar moments.
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darth-sinister
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2/9/07 12:17pm
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With the Gem of Amora, Angel destroyed the ring because it was a lie. That's not his redemption as he told Doyle. It's a cheat. Spike wanted it because he could then kill Angel and Buffy, as well as any future Slayer he came in contact with. But for Angel, while he could go out in the sun and become virtually immortal, it wasn't right. He did not want to have such a gross advantage over the supernatural. Not to mention that he will always be a target for Spike and other vampires who want the ring. Besides, you could not worry about Angel if he cannot die. The potential for his death is important, especially with Joss Whedon killing characters left and right.
As to being with Buffy, he knew that he could not live the life of Xander while Buffy still fought the good fight. That's why he had the Oracles tell the Powers to undo this. He needed to be a vampire with a soul in order to fight the darkness. It is the true mettle of being a hero that he gives up the one thing that he wants most, because to him it was the right thing to do. Without his vampire abilities, he's no different than Xander Harris. His fighting skill and healing abilities come from his being a vampire. Without them, he's useless. This is why once he learned of the Sanshu, it became his goal in life to fulfill his destiny. He had to earn his redemption, not have it handed to him on a silver platter. Besides, "I Will Always Remember You" allowed the writers of both shows to move Buffy and Angel apart. Buffy starts dating Riley Finn right after that episode and Angel doesn't have to worry about losing his soul to her. Not to mention that Angel has to remain brooding, since it's the safest way to keep him as Angel and not Angelus.
If you have a library card and your library carries them, I suggest picking up the Angel DVD sets. The overviews explain the reasoning behind each piviotal story.
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Jedi Merkurian
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2/12/07 9:33am
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I found those episodes as ratcheting up the "Angst-O-Meter" unnecessarily. And if I have to watch the DVD commentaries to understand the reasoning...... 
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2/12/07 10:32am
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I dunno what my favorite episode of Angel or Buffy would be, I love so many of them. I agree that while some of the more popular episodes are great (the Body, Hush, etc.) they are far from the best. I do know that I absolutely despised the entire story line on Buffy with her creepy weird military-ish boyfriend...I hated that so much I can't even remember what they were called and I was beyond thrilled when they got rid of that nonsense. I know there are some out there that may have liked that, not me intention to offend of course....
Some of my faves dealt with Buffy/Angel on a personal level and I really loved any mention of Buffy/Angel/Spike. I like the alpha male type of battle that goes on between those two. I like them both for different reasons, but in the end my heart lies with Angel!
As for Angel, I watched the first two seasons faithfully and then caught the others sporadicly. Any eps. in particular any of you would recommend to get me all caught up?
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darth-sinister
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2/12/07 12:18pm
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Jedi Merkurian posted:
I found those episodes as ratcheting up the "Angst-O-Meter" unnecessarily. And if I have to watch the DVD commentaries to understand the reasoning......
As I said, with Buffy he cannot be with her. This was their way of showing a potential happy ending, while maintaining continuity. And the ring, as noted, is a cheat as Angel said.
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3/18/07 10:54am
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As you may know, Dark Horse's Buffy comic returned as season eight by Joss Whedon and a host of writers from the show and the comic industry. Now, IDW and Joss Whedon will do likewise with Angel season six.
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darth-sinister posted:
As you may know, Dark Horse's Buffy comic returned as season eight by Joss Whedon and a host of writers from the show and the comic industry. Now, IDW and Joss Whedon will do likewise with Angel season six.
Badass. I can't wait to pick up Buffy #1.
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The second printing will be out on the 28th, followed by issue two a week or so later.
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*glee* Can't wait for Issue 2.
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darth-sinister posted:
As you may know, Dark Horse's Buffy comic returned as season eight by Joss Whedon and a host of writers from the show and the comic industry. Now, IDW and Joss Whedon will do likewise with Angel season six.
Ugh I quit buying the IDW Angel comics because they were pricey now I have start again.
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Always liked the buffy universe and I picked up the first season of Buffy a week ago. LONG time since I have seen the show and I must say that it was alot of fun even though some eps were kind of stupid he he (internet deamon  ). Was a kid when these first eps aired. I remeber the angel going bad story and the last eps I saw Was the Adam the cyborg stuff.
The show looks promising but there were some downers 
1-6
Welcome to the hellmouth 5
The harvest 5-
The witch 3+
Teachers pet 2+
Never kill a boy on first date 4
The pack 4+
Angel 6-
I robot... You Jane 2
The puppet show 3
Nightmares 5-
Out of mind out of sight 4
Prophecy girl 6-
And whats up with people still living in Sunnydale like nothing have ever happened? The place should be crawling with FBI and SWAT teams!!!! A theacher was eaten for crying out loud LOL.
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