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PrincessKenobi
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10/10/06 4:14pm
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I don't think Angel really ever jumped ship. I did stop watching it for a few episodes because there was just a storyline I could not get into at that time. But I later came back and finished it up.
Which I had to, cause I was sad when I came in at the end of Season 4 and realized how much I really had missed in my Angelverse.
Still upset it got canceled over Charmed. Stupid Aaron Spelling!
Buffy wise....
I hated Dawn the most for the longest time. But she eventually grew on me. Like I really did not like her till almost the end of Season 7. And then Dawn made complete sense finally. So it was all good.
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darth-sinister
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Sniper_Wolf posted:
In a day or two I'll be getting the first half of Angel season three. Does Angel keep getting better season by season or does it jump the shark?
Season three is very good. Season four is kinda hit-and-miss with some fans. A lot of it had to do with the internal problems with the show, behind the scenes. Season five is quite good as it went back to basics and a lot of that strife was dealt with.
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Sniper_Wolf
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darth-sinister posted:
Sniper_Wolf posted:
In a day or two I'll be getting the first half of Angel season three. Does Angel keep getting better season by season or does it jump the shark?
Season three is very good. Season four is kinda hit-and-miss with some fans. A lot of it had to do with the internal problems with the show, behind the scenes. Season five is quite good as it went back to basics and a lot of that strife was dealt with.
I'm going through the last half of season three right now. I'm enjoying it. Also so far Buffy season six is way better than the previous two.
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weezer
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10/29/06 6:20pm
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Yeah I thought that Angel just kept getting better and better. It remains one of my all time favorite shows.
I know there are a lot of fans that didn't really like season 4 but I thought it was absolutely great. They start an arc about the third episode in and don't tie it up until the last episode. Literally every episode between then ended with a TBC and the "previously on" would flow right into the new episode. I think thats why some people didn't really like it but I thought it was the coolest thing in the world. Every week you were just going deeper and deeper down the rabbit hole and watching it weekly like that was a great trip for me. It kind of lost some of that on DVD but its probably better suited to the format since it plays out like a 18 hr movie.
The closest it got to jumping the shark IMO was with season 5 but that whole season was so amazing that it didn't really matter.
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Sniper_Wolf
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11/30/06 10:32am
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Getting ready to start Angel season four. Personally I found Angel three/Buffy six to be the best so far for their respective shows.
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Sniper_Wolf
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Finished Angel four and halfway done with Buffy seven. I have to agree with many reviewers that season four had some of the best and worst of the show. I was in love with the season until after Faith left. Then I was reminded that gods do not work as villains in the Buffyverse. Jasmine graded on my nerves, and Connor was unbearable post-Faith (although father and son bastardizing Mandy was hilarious). Plus evil Cordy got annoying after a while.
On a positive note I have to say Amy Acker was the standout of the season. Fred's plot during the Jasmine affair was the only thing I really enjoyed besides the mentioned singing. Also enjoyed how the final episode was a coda similar to the end of Buffy four instead of another big battle. Hopefully evil Mal and evil Jayne are better than Jasmine.
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darth-sinister
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Nathan Fillion was very good as Caleb. He had some good lines and a moment when you really want to hate him. While Adam Baldwin was good as Hamilton, especially in the final episode.
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Sniper_Wolf
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DS, I've heard there was a lot of behind the scenes hubbup during Angel four. Know anything about it?
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Healer_Leona
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12/25/06 4:11pm
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Caleb just gave me the creeps, everything about him just made my skin crawl. Nathan was great. 
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darth-sinister
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12/25/06 11:33pm
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Sniper_Wolf posted:
DS, I've heard there was a lot of behind the scenes hubbup during Angel four. Know anything about it?
I didn't really start watching both shows until season five of Angel. So I didn't read all of the controversies from before. But here is what I've gathered. Season three ended with David Greenwalt leaving as head writer to work on his own series, "Miracles". His replacement only lasted three months before Tim Minear took over. The plot was to revolve around Cordelia being revealed as the Big Bad for the season. However, not long after production began on the fourth season, Charisma became pregnant with her first child. This would have to be written into the show, with Jasmine being introduced in order to give Charisma time to give birth and be on maternity leave. Fans were also becoming bothered by the Angel/Cordelia relationship from season three, thus it was undone in season four. Also during the season, there was rumors of creative differences regarding the direction of Cordelia, which made things difficult. It's said that it was felt that Cordelia had run her course and they were running out of ideas for her, after seven years. At the end of the season, Cordelia was to awaken in time to kill Jasmine in "Peace Out", rather than Connor as it wound up being. Ratings fell and the show was boardline for cancelation. When it was brought back, changes were to be made. It seems that Charisma and Vincent Kartheiser were dropped with very little warning. It's said that Charisma didn't find out until prior to the start of production of season five. This lead to some bad feelings between Charisma and Whedon for a while. But after she was asked back to film "You're Welcome", issues were put aside.
That's all I really know.
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Healer_Leona
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Interesting. I hadn't kept up with any of the behind the scenes and thought it was the baby that made Charisma pull out.
I for one like the Angel/Cordelia romance, though we knew Angel couldn't act on it no matter what. I may be the only one who didn't care for Angel/Buffy. I thought he a whiny bore and like Angelus more.
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Shadow_of_Durron
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Okay, finally done with my marathoning, and I thought I'd make make a little post here.
Wasn't really that big of a fan of the shows. I'd seen a couple episodes here and there, some I liked, others seemed kinds meh at the time. Not sure why, but I never really understood what the big deal was. And Angel I really didn't give a chance to. I think I saw one episode and decided I didn't like it.
But then, just recently, thanks to the Movie/TV character draft over in the Census forum, I ended up watching some episodes to do some "research" on certain characters. And I don't know what happened, but I found myself really getting into it. So yeah, I raided my sister's DVD collection and started watching all the seasons marathon style. Love the shows now. Just awesome stuff. Hell, I think I like Angel better out of the two now that I've seen it all.
Tough to pick out my favorite episodes. Too many good ones. Though I don't think the more "popular" choices, like Hush, Once More and The Body would be at the very, very top with me, but they're all close. I'd have to think on it a bit more to narrow down my absolute faves. But just having watched the last episode of Angel, that one stands out at the moment. Great ending, but it just sucks knowing that there's no more.
Worst episode is easy, though. The one with the mexican wrestlers in season 5 of Angel. That one was just... yeah, there have been some episodes throughout all the seasons of both shows that weren't exactly spectacular, but that's the one and only episode where I sat back at the end and thought, "Wow. That was really, really bad."
Fave characters would probably be Willow, Wes, Spike (of course), Angel, Illyria and Lorne (green boy's last scene is just too hardcore. ).
Fave villains: The Mayor tops the list easily. Angelus is way up there as well, as are Drusilla and Lindsey. Prolly Dark Willow as well.
Tough to pick best seasons also. For Buffy, seasons 2 and 3 stand out, but 6 seems kinda underrated to me. But with Angel, season 4 doesn't really have any competition. Not that the others sucks, but 4 was just great beginning to end.
That's all the commenting I have for now.
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Well, come on over to my Buffy/Angel book and comic thread discussion. I've got previews of the upcoming Buffy comic by Joss Whedon, as well as lists of the books and comics. Not all of the comics, but a few good ones.
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PrincessKenobi
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darth-sinister posted:
Well, come on over to my Buffy/Angel book and comic thread discussion. I've got previews of the upcoming Buffy comic by Joss Whedon, as well as lists of the books and comics. Not all of the comics, but a few good ones.
Make me jealous why don't you?
Since the series ended, I've really been able to kind of sit back and think of my fave episode. And for me right now Amends is topping the list. There's just something about this episode that stands out to me at the moment.
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The Angel episode- Welcome Home, is one that sticks in my head moreso than any other. It really took me by suprise. Very upsetting at the end! 
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