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Crusade:
We're going off into the uncharted regions of space to find a cure for the deadly plague. We have only 5 years... Off we go, into the Wild Black Yonder...
Oh! we're returning home so we can have a cameo of the B5 Dr run an experiment. We need cameos of existing characters to boost ratings...
Off we go, with only 4 years, 6 months...
Oh! we ran out of fuel...
Off we go, with only 4 years, 4 months...
Ran out of 2-ply Toilet Paper. Better turn around and head back...
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Well they weren't just wandering around aimlessly in uncharted space- they relied on scouting reports from the Rangers (or, in Gideon's case, tips from the Apocalypse Box) to direct them to specific locations. In between they'd do some exploration themselves, sure, but it's not really stretching things to say they'd have to stop for supplies every now and then or offload/rotate specialty crew depending on the nature of the next mission. Even they have downtime, afterall.
And, sure, the Doctor was a cameo- but I hardly think it was intended as a ratings boost, given the nature of the TNT production, and it's not like his involvement with the plague plotline isn't logical given his position after Season 5.
But the plague would have been cured to some degree in the second season as the plot threads from the unfilmed second half of the first season began revving up the main shadow tech/black ops story arc.
The plague was basicly like Sinclair's missing 24 hours- it may seem to be the focus of the series at first, but eventually is shown to not be that major as the actual main plotline kicks in.
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possiblly.
I haven't seen the whole show. I just gave up on it after they decided to return to earth. Totally unnecessary to haul the exploration ship all the way home when another earthforce ship could have done the same job much more easily.
But eh.
Guess I wasn't the only one not interested in more of the show as it was...
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If watched in a proper episode order, and factoring in the unfilmed scripts if you can get your hands ona copy, it's actually quite a solid half-season, but without those scripts, shown in the TNT episode order, I wouldn't blame people for not tuning in- you have the atrocious War Zone as an introduction, all the black uniform episodes frontloaded, inventions being used in episodes before the episodes in which they invent them, etc.
The episode that brings them back to Earth for the research experiment actually does make some sense- the Excalibur was the best ship suited for plague research and had technologies onboard that other vessels wouldn't have, and was far more capable of holding off a large Drahk assault while maintaining secrecy of the mission.
The only episode that things felt a little weird was when they were brought back to Mars for that conference, but I would chalk that up to down time between leads mostly- but I think even Gideon remarks there that he feels their time is being wasted there.
Crusade, as it stands now, is more about the characters in the glimpses we're given of them. Gideon's interactions with the crew members all have interesting elements to them- his loyalty and respect to Mattheson, his strained but patient friendship with Galen, likewise Dureena's curious growing apprenticeship under Galen was heading places, but I think the existing 12 (not counting WZ) episodes really shine on Max- if watched in the right order, he has a fantastic little character going from the total self-centered jerk but warming up to the other sides of his humanity as he's forced to rely on and protect others he find shimself caring about, as well as forced to confront people's sacrifices for him which he never expected or wanted. Only Doctor Chambers really didn't have much going for her (and the actress playing her was weak compared to the rest of the cast).
had it been given the chance, it looks like it would have been a natural extension and exploration of the B5 universe- delving into the events of and aftermath of the Telepath War, Garibaldi's pursuit of Bester, the nature and mission of the Technomages, Earthforce's consequences for messing with shadowtech, etc. And, I presume, it would have evntually integrated JMS's initial "empire building" motif, and i suspect Dureena would have played a large part of that given she was to acquire "the sword", which implies it's something significant to the core of what crusade would be about, given that it's in the title logo itself.
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I missed the fifth season when it was first aired (has it really been nine years?), I just recently picked it up on DVD and watched it from beginning to end. It was good and all, I just regret not seeing Bester get his come-uppance- I would have enjoyed Garibaldi putting a PPG bolt through his smug face, guess I'm bloodthirsty that way. And didn't they say Psi-Corps had been disbanded in Crusade?
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Does your 5th season set have the beginning missing off one of the episodes? I think it's "The Fall of Centauri Prime".
I watched Legend of the Rangers for the first time a few weeks ago. What's everyone's opinions of it? I thought it was quite fun as pilots go, in a cheesy sort of way. That gun turret idea was just plain stupid though.
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LOTR wasn't as bad as some people say- but it was obviously designed a s apilot, so a lot of it's potential was never fully realized (including dumping the VR gun turret they were forced to throw together at the last moment). It certainly had some fun characters, and the whole "same trick twice" twist was quite good. If The Hand had been revealed to be related to the Thirdspace aliens, it would have tied things together nicely, though. It did suffer from an overuse of the Ranger motto, however.
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This is probably old news for most of you, but I thought I'd mention it just in case:
I just rented the 2004 remake of Dawn of the Dead. Not a great movie, but one of the special features is 'news' coverage of the zombie plague, featuring a news anchor played by none other than Dr. Steven Franklin himself, Richard Biggs, in what I believe was one of his last filmed appearances.
The real treat, however, is when Biggs introduces a voice message from the President of the United States at the end of the piece. And the POTUS just happens to sound an awful lot like the President of a certain Interstellar Alliance...
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JMS: However, despite this, [WB] are most pleased as [TLT] sales have been
several orders of magnitude beyond what they anticipated.
More on this when I know more about what this actually *means*.
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My belated impressions on The Lost Tales, thanks to not being able to post in this forum for weeks on end (again!), due to the board-software acting the damn fool:
- I liked it. I think it suffered from the tight budget (WB clearly wanted to be sure of breaking even with even modest DVD sales, and nearly everything had to be created from scratch), but it was a good start-up vehicle. It's easy to forget how much of an experiment this disc is. Nobody has ever done a direct-to-disc spin-off or sequel to a TV series, much less one that has been out of production for nearly a decade, and not even available in reruns for about five years.
- The biggest problem I saw was that, with the Garibaldi segment dropped, the remaining two stories had to be stretched a bit to make it "feel" more like a movie (at 75 minutes), instead of remaining at 30 minutes each, and leaving the disc feeling like one episode that cost $15.
- There's also the fact that the Garibaldi segment was supposed to tie into the other two thematically, as well as overlapping in time (it would have explained why he was a "question-mark" for the anniversary celebration), so we don't really know what the "whole" was supposed to look like. The other problem the budget caused was the lack of background extras in the corridors and the wide-shots, even computer-generated ones. The bits of the station we saw seemed oddly empty.
- That said, I enjoyed both stories. The Lochley segment was too talky, and given the nature of the story, there wasn't much JMS could do to "pad" it, besides pile on more philosophical and theological dialogue. Unlike some people, I don't think the story establishes that the guy was "really" possessed, or that a demonic entity was "really" imprisoned on Earth. It could all still be alien hocus-pocus. That the guy spoke in those terms, and the priest and Lochley accepted the event that way, only tells us what they may have believed.
- Anyway, I'll bet Tracy had fun with it. I seem to recall reading somewhere that she's Catholic, so she should have been on familiar ground. The HD cameras were not especially kind to her, but she's still a striking woman. (OTOH, I saw Michelle Pfeiffer on Letterman in HD a few months ago, and she still looks incredible, little lines around the eyes and all. She must have a painting of herself in her attic that looks like hell.)
- The second segment was better in every way, even to Boxleitner having aged better. I liked the new Centauri character, I liked Sheridan's moral dilemma and the fact that he really wrestled with it, and I liked the fact that Galen probably didn't much care which solution ended the threat, as long as one of them did. By the end of the second story, I felt very much that I was back in the B5 universe.
Have no idea what sales are like beyond the purely-anecdotal evidence of Amazon.com sales rankings, and Top 10 lists at other sites. Of course, it was precisely the Amazon pre-order numbers for the first TV movie "test disc" the goaded WB into approving the release of the Season One set, and the very strong sales of Season One that got them to accelerate the release of the later seasons, and start producing the extras for one season before the previous season had even been released.
My gut feeling is that sales were more than enough to justify a second disc, but that JMS is too busy with other projects right now to give the whole thing much thought. WB is probably also going to use both the finished disc and the sales numbers to try to sell The Lost Tales as an ongoing project, perhaps a series of TV movies like Columbo or Jesse Stone, to a TV or cable network. If that happens, JMS will want to set up a schedule that will work with his other projects, and allow for production to take place with the accustomed Babylonian efficiency.
If we're lucky, that might mean shooting something next spring or summer, but if we're really lucky, it might mean six stories and two discs/movies produced in 2008, and maybe the same in 2009. (And if whatever it is does well on TV, it is not inconceivable that some network might be interested in a reboot of Crusade, and/or that the idea of a theatrical film might be revived.)
Don't forget, too, that the whole Lost Tales project started with WB coming to *him*, and offering to finance and distribute a theatrical film (JMS owns the theatrical rights to the property, not WB) after reviewing the aggregate sales figures for the DVDs. JMS turned them down, because he wasn't emotionally ready to write a major, full-cast project like that so soon after the deaths of Richard Biggs and -- especially -- Andreas Katsulas. He suggested The Lost Tales as an alternative that he felt like he could tackle now.
Koohii posted: JMS stopped production of all B5 novels in the works so that he could devote all his time to Lost Stories, then supervise the novels to make sure they could be cannon (i.e. fitting in with his views of the B5verse).
The Book of G'Quan was originally going to be a one-off novel. Then he wanted to make it a trilogy, then he quashed it.
Wait a minute...I think you've got a few things confused, here. JMS wrote the outlines for the three Del Rey trilogies at a time when he was working on Crusade, Season 5 was approaching its end with good ratings on TNT, the first TV movies had done well and more were in the pipeline, and Warner Bros. was asking for a feature film treatment.
In other words, he planned the trilogies at the time when it most looked like B5 could develop into the kind of "franchise" that he could live with -- a universe where he could tell more stories, while still maintaining creative control.
A time when he knew he had a new series deal in hand (and had every reason to be optimistic that it would do well, based on S5's ratings, and his then-excellent working relationship with TNT), and very good prospects for a movie deal, and perhaps a (Trek-like) series of movies with the original cast, while Crusade continued on the small screen.
And yet, at the apex of B5's fortunes, he chose to tell the Telepath, Technomage, and Centauri stories as novels. He did so because he saw them as being mostly backstory (Teep, Technomage), dealing with "side-issues" that weren't part of the main story (of the Younger Races taking control of their own destiny -- Teep, Centauri), or too sprawling, too expensive, and too populated by strange and alien characters to work as TV movies or feature films (the Centauri trilogy).
In short, he made them books because they couldn't be movies. Making them into movies would not have worked, since it would've meant cutting much of the background material that made them worth doing in the first place.
Also..."Book of G'Quan trilogy"?
Koohii posted: And from what I've heard of Lost Stories, it was for nothing.
The first 4 seasons of B5 are great. season 5 is tolerable, but disjointed--there's no overall arc or flavor to it, and it seems like it was slapped together on short notice (because it was). As for the rest... JMS had one idea. He used it up making seasons 1-4. This is why s5 is so incoherent. Then he went back to the well again for River of Souls, which stunk. He went back to the well again for Third Space, which had no real place in the B5 universe. Then he went back to the well again, and appears to have watched Starblazers in the meantime, and coopted that story (even a major speach in the beginning is almost identical) for Crusade. Unfortunately, he seems to have been a 1-trick pony, and doesn't seem to realize it.
Oh well.
We still have the original series.
And I greatly prefer the un-mucked up version of The Gathering to the 'remastered' one, but then again, that's just the way I am.
The main thing about B5 that makes it a completely different experience when you watch it again after seeing the end of the series. The character of Sinclair is clearer, and you catch much of subtle foreshadowing that you COULDN'T have caught the first time around.
(Michael O'Hare gets a lot of undeserved grief for his portayal of Commander Sinclair, with "wooden" being one of the favorite adjectives non-actors use to describe it. Actually, it seems to me that O'Hare did a fine job of playing the emotionally closed-off and tortured character that JMS had written. It wasn't the actor who was a bit stiff, it was the character. And he was intended to be.)
Similarly, Season 5 plays better the second or third time through when watched on DVD (especially for people who only saw it when it first aired) because people aren't watching it through the lens of their expectations, and they aren't waiting a week between episodes.
Part of the problem during the original run was that a lot of fans had, in a sense, outlined the final season in their own heads. They especially wanted to get to the end of the Londo/G'Kar story, which they assumed would be near the end of the series. (I remember people wondering if the show would start skipping three or four years in time between episodes as the last three or four approached, to cover all the events in between 2262 and the end.)
Because JMS didn't write what many fans were expecting, and because they were waiting a week and more between episodes (because of a couple of hiatuses TNT built into the schedule) the legend of the "Interminable Telepath Arc" was born. In fact, the Teep-thread only runs through the first eight episodes of the season, not "half the season," as many (mis-)remember it, and it is mostly the "B" story in several episodes which about completely different things entirely.
But it "felt" longer, because people were anxious to get to that other stuff.
Watching the season again, though, without these expectations, and without the long wait, makes it clear that the season has an arc that makes sense and that builds well, although it is necessarily weakened by the last-minute loss of a major actor/character only weeks before the start of shooting.
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JMS throws a bit more perspective on the early Season 5 stuff in the latest B5 Script books, and pretty much admits that the first few episodes of S5 was merely him trying to get back into form after the disastrous weekend at the Blackpool convention which revolved around getting all cast signed onto S5, fighting for and losing Claudia at the last moment AND his hotel throwing away all of his Season 5 notes.
Some good insights in there- he didn't anticipate the level of hatred towards Byron (and offers up his humorous theory about why that is) and, in retrospect, the teep arc would have been conpressed much further and he would have started the season with the Londo and G'Kar stuff instead, and made the second half of the season about the early throes of empire building (which he had considered doing so back then, but at that junction in time Crusade was supposed to be about that; had he known what shape Cruaade would eventually take, he says he probbaly would have gone that route with S5).
He further points out that, looking back at that stretch of episodes, it seemed like he was playing things too safe while trying to find his footing ("well I know I can do this kind of episode so..."), and usually a tell-tale sign of that is when a one-shot supposedly-very-important bad guy shows up in an episode but then plays no other role or effect in other episodes.
He singles out Learning Curve (the one where a Minbari Ranger is beaten by an underworld boss and they apply terror in retaliation) as one such episode he wouldn't mind vanishing one day.
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Caught that in the latest script book, and quite liked his fandom "Byron shinebox" theory anecdote...hadn't yet heard that one from him before.
With Claudia, for her part, she sounded a bit miffed that she hadn't been contacted by WB or JMS when planning for The Lost Tales started, which would indicate interest, at least. (Of course they didn't contact her, because none of the stories they were contemplating for the first two batches of stories involved Ivanova. We'll have to see what the future holds.)
Joe's mentioned Ivanova as a possible candidate for a future story, but so far they only got the budget to do the first two stories for DVD #1. It isn't like a series going into production with a regular schedule. I'm confident the discs will do well, and that if they do, some TV partner will be found.
At that point, they might want to do a series of TV movies, say three or four a year, and that can be done on a more regular schedule, and planned a little further in advance. There wouldn't be much point in talking to Claudia (or Jerry Doyle) until they know that there is going to be a second or third batch, and when such a thing might be produced.
The2ndQuest posted: Obviously, though, Crusade was killed before it could dump the TNT virus plotline and have the chance to really show what it was about; subsequently Legend of the Rangers was an attempt to pick up those threads as well as harken back to the original higher concepts of empire building that Crusade was meant to aspire to, though LOTR's rushed and underbudgeted nature combined with a sad cosmic moment of bad scheduling led to less than spectacular results, unfortunately.
Adding to what 2ndQuest said a bit, Rangers was a pilot, and it had the weaknesses of most pilots -- too much exposition, studio and network pressures, budget problems. Frankly, as pilots go, I thought Rangers was better than "The Gathering," especially the first version.
I think the thing had potential, especially given JMS's fondess for messing with people's expectations. B5 wasn't the show it seemed from the pilot or the first dozen episodes; Crusade would have changed direction radically by the end of the first season, and the plague story would have been set aside in Season Two; and whatever a Rangers series would have been, you can bet it wouldn't have been what the pilot suggested, and that "The Hand" wouldn't have been what their minion claimed they were.
The Lost Tales is an extension of the original series, not an attempt to launch a new five-year arc with a new cast of characters. It is true that they're going to have to redo some stuff from scratch, but the core group of people involved in the project either worked on B5 itself or with JMS on Jeremiah, so there is continuity.
Anyway, I have no worries in this respect.
NJOfan215 posted: I think Vitari's character could have some cool things to do in the future, and i do think there is some nice tention there in regaurds to his ultimate fate. I also think he could play a role in what ever is goinjg to happen with david and the keeper.
Interestingly, JMS made some comments a couple of years ago when asked about David Sheridan's ultimate fate (vis-à-vis the future historians' comments from "Deconstruction") that were seemingly left wide open to interpretation and future storytelling.
He seemed to place those comments ("[The incident] involving their son") specifically in the context of David's trip in Book III of the Fall of Centauri Prime trilogy, which ultimately leads to the discovery of the Drakh on Centauri Prime, the deaths of Londo and G'Kar, the Interstellar Alliance's involvement in the liberation of the Centauri People, Vir's ascension to the throne, the end of the Drakh War (which seems to be mostly a "mopping-up" expedition, and largely conducted by the Centauri themselves, with some IA assistance), and the restoration of the Centauri to their rightful place in the Alliance.
It also led to his being freed from his Keeper, which certainly "changed his life." So I'd say that David's journey to C-Prime and its immediate and long-term consquences match JMS's statement perfectly, even if David never does a single other interesting thing for the rest of his life. Although, he seems to be setting up a future storyline involving Vintari and David Sheridan, which may dovetail into Peter David's trilogy in some as-yet-unforeseen way.
JMS's comments were verbal and off-the-cuff, so it is fruitless to apply the kind of syllable-by-syllable analysis to them that a written text might merit, and he was being deliberately ambiguous so as not to give away too much to the folks he presumed were listening. I'm thinking in particular of the "his part of the Alliance" remark, which I just know somebody is going to point to as having some cosmic importance, and which I believe was merely JMS trying to say enough without saying too much.
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The2ndQuest posted: LOTR wasn't as bad as some people say- but it was obviously designed a s apilot, so a lot of it's potential was never fully realized (including dumping the VR gun turret they were forced to throw together at the last moment). It certainly had some fun characters, and the whole "same trick twice" twist was quite good. If The Hand had been revealed to be related to the Thirdspace aliens, it would have tied things together nicely, though. It did suffer from an overuse of the Ranger motto, however.
Re: "The Hand," and the comments some folks have made concerning them, incidentally --
I'm sure JMS undoubtedly read much of the criticism surrounding "The Hand" (it was basically all the same on Usenet, and most of the other B5 sites) and laughed his ass off.
There are two possibilities here:
- JMS was suddenly stricken with senility, didn't remember the continuity of his own series, and screwed up massively.
- There is more here than meets the eye, and facts that we haven't yet been given.
Naturally, at least half the people who watched the movie assume that #1 is true.
They did this with "The Gathering" ("Lose the guy with the funny hair!")
They did it with each and every season of B5 ("Where's the arc??")
They did it with all the TV movies.
They did it with Crusade.
You'd think that, at a certain point, people would begin to recognize a pattern: JMS *always* sets up false expectations, and then changes directions.
Watch "The Gathering." Now tell me, where in that movie we see a hint that G'Kar will become a peacemaker and hero, there will be a war with an ancient race called "the Shadows," or that B5 would break away from Earth and fight a civil war? Some of this becomes visible in retrospect when you watch S1 again after seeing the rest of the show.
But most of it is invisible the first time through.
Four out of the five seasons were dominated by the Shadow War, the Earth Civil War, and the aftermath of both. We barely even heard the word "Shadows" in S1, which was dominated by the hole in Sinclair's mind and the mystery of the Minbari surrender. (Both of which would have been resolved early in S2, even if Michael O'Hare had remained as commander.)
Watch Crusade. A search for a cure? "OOHHHhhh! It's just Star Blazers!" "JMS has lost it!" "Can't he come up with an original idea?" "What's the point? We know they find a cure!" "This show is gonna SUCK!!"
Similar situation. People look at the surface and say, "If it's only about a search for the cure, and we already know they found one, how can there be any suspense, how can the show sustain this for five years?"
Short answer: It couldn't. It *obviously* couldn't. Ergo, it wasn't even going to try.
Anyone with an ounce of sense looked at that set-up and said, "Let's see...JMS isn't a total moron, so he must have seen the same flaws in this concept that *I* do. Therefore, he must have something else in mind in the long run, that isn't visible in the initial situation."
Those of us who read the three late-season Crusade scripts on Bookface.com, and have read the Technomage Trilogy, know we were right in thinking that. So why did so many people who had already seen the development of B5 from "The Gathering" through Season 5 (when much of this nonsense was posted) still run around saying, "The sky is falling!"?
Why are so many people still doing the same thing *now*, nearly six years after LotR aired?
JMS is a conjurer; he uses misdirection to fool his audience. He's also a mystery writer, and plays fair with that audience, leaving clues in plain sight. Did anybody notice that the whole resolution of the plot involved doing the same thing twice, but in a different way, and the question of whether or not that could work? Did anybody notice G'Kar's last line? "No one here is exactly what he appears? But then, who is?"
Does everyone who's bitched about the movie really think that they're so smart that they spotted plot "flaws" that eluded JMS, Doug Netter, all the old B5 hands, and all the folks at Sci-Fi? That nobody spotted *any* of this between the first story conference in January 2001 and the completion of post-production that September?
B5 fans should know better by now. If JMS made a mistake here, it is in overestimating the folks who have been watching the show all these years. He read this type of stuff and chuckled to himself, thinking, "Great. Now I've got them exactly where I want them."
The bastard.
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Hi,I am Sherdian!<I too am a big Babylon 5 fan I am happy to join your forum!!!!,looking forward to talking to all of you soon!!,thank you.
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The Lost Tales isn't being released in Australia until the 9th of January '08... Such a wait, though it will be worth it.
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