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For Justice, For Peace, For the Future- We Have Come Home: Babylon 5
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PerfectCell
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4/12 12:18pm
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I posted this at another board and figured I'd bring it over here, basically my thoughts on Crusade after wathcing it for the very first time in its actual chronological order.
I liked Crusade the first time through, it was good, about season 5 B5 level stuff for me, but wow, after watching it in the correct chronological order, and no that's not the JMS order, I really really loved the show. I wouldn't put it anywhere near season 4 of B5, but nothing else save A Call To Arms comes close to S4. However I would put it on the same level as seasons 2 and 3 and well above seasons 1 and 5 of B5.
There are still some minor problems like the costume switching or the two "first" meetings between Lochley and Gideon. But, all the little things flow together much more nicely when viewed in this order and what I found enjoyable the first time through has now become something I love. All the obvious layering for things to come is present, the acting is spot on throughout, I don't even have a problem with Marjean Holden like some do, and the characters grow into their own entities within the B5 universe rather nicely.
All in all this serves to make me more upset that the show was canceled because based on what little we do see in these 13 episodes I do believe they were laying the foundation for a show that would end up being even better than B5.
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NJOfan215
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I don't know if it would've been better than B5 but i really liked crusade. It was going in an interesting direction and i really dislike that it was canceled.
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The2ndQuest
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Crusade certainly is unique in how different an experience the show is depending on episode order. Watching it DVD/broadcast order tends to leave a very sour taste for folks, watching in chronological order provides a vastly different effect. For me, one of the core benefits to the JMS/story order is how there's suddenly a character arc for Max where he starts off as a total jerk we hate, but we the audience slowly get to warm up to him and even sympathize with him, as he himself becomes less selfish and is changed by the people and events around him.
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I have tried a couple of times to watch the Crusade episodes in the order intended, but have never made it all the way through to have a lot to analyze. I don't think that Crusade could have surpassed B5 by any means. For one thing it felt a little too "Trek" for a lot of fans tastes. I would have loved to have seen the series go to completion, but since that is not possible now, I wish JMS would finish it out in novels or comics. It is alluded to in some of the other novel trilogies, but too vaguely to get any real idea what happened beyond the fact that a cure was found.
We need Crusade's story fleshed out!!!
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I'm hoping the eventual Crusade scripts book series will include the non-JMS works to give us the full 1st season story, not just To the Ends of the Earth, Value Judgements & The End of the Line.
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PerfectCell
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I'm hoping not actually. I like the script books and they are good for behind the scenes looks and such, but they aren't actual stories. I want Crusade continued in actual story from, preferably in novels, not as random musings from JMS that do nothing but tell us what may have happened.
As for the earlier point about Crusade being too much like Trek, I never got that. I've never really liked Trek mainly because even at its best it was still really, really bland and the conflicts were never real. Crusade had real conflicts and drama along with a certain intensity that you would never find on Trek.
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PerfectCell posted:
I want Crusade continued in actual story from, preferably in novels, not as random musings from JMS that do nothing but tell us what may have happened.
Well, while I imagine JMS would include info on later seasons in such a manner, I was more specifically speaking of the unfilmed scripts for Season 1. Three of them were posted online at a now-defunct website long, long ago (and still float about quietly)- the next episode that would have been filmed, The Ends of the Earth, which was the equivalent to "Signs & Portents", really; value Judgements featuring Bester and the season finale, The End of the Line. But there was a three-parter also scripted, and at least 1 or 2 other stand-alones. I've read the current-three, I really want to read the others (especially the "sword" trilogy, since that obviously had some kind of major implication given the Crusade logo), and hope they're included somehow- maybe separate volumes containing non-JMS scripts so they can be published directly by those writers.
Don't get me wrong- I'd LOVE to get a Crusade novel series or comic series- but I'll settle for the scripts...for now 
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Thanks to finals and whatnot I'm still only halfway through season two. One thing I can say is that Tron is far more angrier than Sinclair. I can understand why Tron nukes everyone that makes him angry.
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Sniper_Wolf posted:
Tron is far more angrier...I can understand why Tron...
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NJOfan215
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Wow, if you're only on season 2 you have a few more Tron  nuking scenes to come.
I would love to see a resolution to the crusade story. I don't care what form it comes in. I also want some resolution to the Legend of the rangers story, but that is something i
m less interested in.
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And to think, if Rangers had gone to series, we could have had BOTH all in one package, come LOTR Season 2 or 3... alas.
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Babylon 5, the last best hope for making a quick buck. I want a Londo doll!
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Incidentally:
Bruce Boxleitner has joined the cast of Heroes.
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I might have to try watching Heroes again.
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Sniper_Wolf
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Finally finished season two. Really starting to see all the planning that JMS did come into play.
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