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Jedimarine Registered: Feb '01	Date Posted: 1/16 1:36pm Subject: RE: Engage! The Star Trek: TNG General Discussion
	Chancellor_Ewok posted: Jedimarine posted: Circumstances are involved in EVERY encounter...and to specify a hard rule without analyzing all the information available and judging on the merits is a cruel and cold excuse disguised as scientific reason That's the idea though. You don't know what somebody is going to with the technology that you give them. How would you feel if you gave a lesser civilization phaser technology and the result was a holocaust? Its better to ere on the side of caution and not share your technology until you are sure that it will be used responsibly. Why are you giving them phaser technology? You don't give just to give...ever...you must have reason. And moreover, this is not the old wooden ship days, when communication would break down...if you give someone technology, you also give thorough instruction, probably practical training, and a maintained relationship through regular contact...The prime directive holds sway so long as the technology is present and the people are left to their own discerning, I agree...but you don't do that. Star Trek maintains the idea that some people just aren't deserving...that somehow they must evolve to a certain extent to be equal...that too much knowledge in the hands of those who haven't achieved what "we" have achieved would be a disaster. Guess what...it'll be a disaster when they find it on their own too. Nobody gave us those weapons in WWI...chaos and gore still dominated. Innovation and Invention can be violent and dangerous trial and errors, regardless of how they are introduced. The Prime Directive does nothing more then protect a conscience..."we didn't cause anything"...instead of expanding the horizons in a mutually advantageous way for everyone. The Prime Directive is an arrogant presumption...and that is why it has been consistently and continually defied by individuals of conscience and intelligent enough to make the call based on more information then "no warp drive = no love". -----signature----- GO SEE "THE DARK KNIGHT"
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Chancellor_Ewok Registered: Nov '04	Date Posted: 1/20 9:36am Subject: RE: Engage! The Star Trek: TNG General Discussion
	Jedimarine posted: Chancellor_Ewok posted: Jedimarine posted: Circumstances are involved in EVERY encounter...and to specify a hard rule without analyzing all the information available and judging on the merits is a cruel and cold excuse disguised as scientific reason That's the idea though. You don't know what somebody is going to with the technology that you give them. How would you feel if you gave a lesser civilization phaser technology and the result was a holocaust? Its better to ere on the side of caution and not share your technology until you are sure that it will be used responsibly. Why are you giving them phaser technology? You don't give just to give...ever...you must have reason. And moreover, this is not the old wooden ship days, when communication would break down...if you give someone technology, you also give thorough instruction, probably practical training, and a maintained relationship through regular contact...The prime directive holds sway so long as the technology is present and the people are left to their own discerning, I agree...but you don't do that. Star Trek maintains the idea that some people just aren't deserving...that somehow they must evolve to a certain extent to be equal...that too much knowledge in the hands of those who haven't achieved what "we" have achieved would be a disaster. Guess what...it'll be a disaster when they find it on their own too. Nobody gave us those weapons in WWI...chaos and gore still dominated. Innovation and Invention can be violent and dangerous trial and errors, regardless of how they are introduced. The Prime Directive does nothing more then protect a conscience..."we didn't cause anything"...instead of expanding the horizons in a mutually advantageous way for everyone. The Prime Directive is an arrogant presumption...and that is why it has been consistently and continually defied by individuals of conscience and intelligent enough to make the call based on more information then "no warp drive = no love". First of all, I was citing an example. Secondly, its not that some people are deserving and some aren't. The Prime Directive gauges whether or not a society is mature enough for diplomatice relations with the Federation in the first place. If they are, then its Starfleet's job to ease them to the technological advances that relations with the Federation will bring. Also, don't forget that Starfleet spends decades assessing planets that may be ready for contact and that these assessment usually include surface reconissance, which gives Federation anthropologists an up-close view of an alien culture. -----signature----- For more information about the crack spider's bitch contact the Canadian Wildlife Service in Ottawa. I robbed the second largest bank in France using only a ballpoint pen I killed a man with this thumb.
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Jedimarine Registered: Feb '01	Date Posted: 1/21 6:01am Subject: RE: Engage! The Star Trek: TNG General Discussion
	The Prime Directive gauges nothing. It is a standing order of non-interference in the internal affairs of cultures and worlds. That's it. The "gauge" as you put it, are the snoopy little anthropologist and scientists, who hid in their little blinds or wear makeup and walks amongst the "primitives" in an effort to piece together as much information as they can without revealing themselves...so a culture obviously is beneath a certain level for contact, but is a fascinating case study for the academics! And of course, time and again, these "studies" royally screw up, and the abuse of such secretive missions only makes the enlightened, compassionate Federation look like fools and spies. Why? Because a couple zealous xenophobes can dominate the social conscience? So that the science nerds can study primitive medicine and engine technologies they hadn't considered themselves? It's Ant farm mentality! If someone has the ability to communicate...COMMUNICATE! Instead we get this idea that "well, your society will be harmed if we talk to you now"...It'll be harmed at any point...there are always crazies and nay-sayers, there are always things that will be destroyed by events to come, there will always be learning curves to technology...The show was full of those cases...and the only reason they maintained the Prime Directive was because it was a mainstay of Gene's super humanity mythos...the benevolent people of earth...who wouldn't want to be on their side! We'll need a regimented application process to make sure they can handle being one of us. Cause it's a tough job being so enlightened. The flaws in the Prime Directive are 3 fold: 1. It assumes social evolution is by nature peaceful and gradual in effect to itself. 2. That the nature of each world is a vacuum, and it's fate, distinct from all others prior to space flight. 3. That every society in the universe will follow a rubric of cultural and technological advancement. Again I give the example of Earth from First Contact...this was not a case of societal enlightenment bringing a species to the stars...it was driven by ambition and wealth, in a world that was post-apocalyptic! But hey, they got warp, so that's what mattered right? Kinda funny, cause Earth would've genuinely failed all those other "ideals" the Federation had in place for membership...but if a species has warp drive...well that rushes things along, don't it? It's like countries trying to get nukes today...the one's who have them don't want anyone else to get them cause they aren't "ready" to keep them secure. But once they have them, well the whole mood changes...can't put the cork back in the bottle. -----signature----- GO SEE "THE DARK KNIGHT"
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Emperor's Prize Registered: Jun '99	Date Posted: 2/26 8:35pm Subject: RE: Engage! The Star Trek: TNG General Discussion
	The Prime Directive is an incredibly enlightened philosophy that is as relevant to today's world as it was back in the 60's. Jedimarine posted: 1. It assumes social evolution is by nature peaceful and gradual in effect to itself. I disagree. While there is an inherent optimism, the Prime Directive makes no assumptions as to whether or not a society will evolve peacefully. It only assumes that societies must be left to evolve on their own -- that interference will, inherently, lead to more harm than good, both for the society and for the followers of the Prime Directive. Now, if you want to debate the inherent flaws of absolutist nonintervention (which the Prime Directive seems to advocate), then that's a legitimate criticism (in fact, The High Ground actually broached the debate whether intervention or non-intervention was more in line with the Prime Directive). But to suggest that the Prime Directive assumes "peaceful social evolution" is erroneous. -----signature----- © 2008 http://dauntlessmedia.net BSG, Star Trek, Transformers, Lost, Indiana Jones, etc. » Analysis & Criticism » Image Galleries » Message Boards
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Ramesh Registered: Oct '00	Date Posted: 6/17 8:04am Subject: RE: Engage! The Star Trek: TNG General Discussion
	Hi. Did anyone catch Yesterday's Enterprise on the Sci Fi channel's TNG marathon last night? A classic episode that even now seems to stands the test of time. The idea of sending an entire crew (including Tasha Yar) to their deaths based solely on Guinnan's intuition that the timeline is somehow wrong made very compelling viewing. In the alternate timeline Picard in particular seemed very different, grim and intense, conveying a powerful sense of urgency. Great stuff! Cheers, Ram -----signature----- I even kept the photograph of when I nearly let you go
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The2ndQuest Title: : -Games -LACWAC -Lit Mod of Death Registered: Jan '00	Date Posted: 6/17 9:20am Subject: RE: Engage! The Star Trek: TNG General Discussion
	Continuing my assessment of Trek into what is must-see for purposes of storylines & arcs, what is good, what's skippable and whats just plain bad, with my stream of conciousness comments as i view them: 101/102: Encounter at Farpoint: -Premise: The crew of the newly-commissioned USS Enterprise-D is challenged by Q, an omnipotent extradimensional being, to solve the mystery of a strange base in a civilized fashion. -T2Q Comments: Opening titles are a little more exciting and epic than TOS, though the repetitive whoosh-bys can be a little silly, despite the call back to TOS's intro. At least the ship isn't slanted at a silly cartoon racecar angle this time around. Love the little detail of being able to see a crew member walking in the conference room's rear window, gives a good sense of scale. The introductory shot of the D is quite neat- it's not one I recall them reusing in the episodes I have seen. I like the look of the ship overall- it's bigger, but sleeker and has that sea-creature manta-ray quality to it's appearance. The deflector dish design combined with aquatic features are highly reminiscent of the 50's War of the Worlds boomerang ships. Data is obviously taking the Spock role here as far "learning to be human" goes- the attempts at humor with his condition and efforts range from appropriately amusing to "they're trying to hard to be funny and falling flat" to being unnecesarily expositional; but the balance so far isn't too shabby. The Q barrier encountered is kinda neat looking. Reminds me of the Tholian Web, but more techny than spidery. Weird to see Worf & Riker so young. Of course, the magic intruder has to be wearing something silly (and it's so Roddencamp for him to talk in a old english kind of way)- also amusing how everyone BUT the two security officers react to the intruder. It seems out of character for Picard to deride military uniforms as "costumes", especially considering the TOS movie-era uniforms aren't much different and aren't that long out of use, as we'll later see. I'll chalk that up to more leftover Roddencamp 60's traces). I swear there's a dude in engineering wearing the skirt uniform...and, after we return from the break, there is another one. No, no, no. A kilt is one thing, but a miniskirt? Are you kidding me? Introduced to Miles here as well- but I guess Q just didn't think that much of him and thus didn't involve him in the legal preceedings... Guess it's third times the charm for finally realizing the saucer separation (after the mention in TOS and the aborted attempt to do one in TMP). It's a nice moment, though the reuse of the main theme sorta reminds me of how SG-1 overused the SG theme in it's pilot, still, cool to see the secondary hull whipping around on it's own. I had a small toy for a long time as a kid that was of the D and the saucer part could detach- and for the longest time I had misplaced the secondary hull. Then I eventually found it and couldn't find the saucer section anymore. Eventually I managed to reunite both a few years later for the first time since the 80's. Shang Tsung! And Q and his funny judge hat, though you gotta love his camera crane judge chair. The bad movie-habit of using episode footage as security footage again. I like how they present saucer reconnection as being a relatively not-easy thing to do...but then Picard calls it a "fairly routine maneuver" immediately afterwards. Interesting that Geordi's visor has the Wolverine pain claus (no pun intended). Bridge seems kinda empty here, maybe a bit too much space. Nice McCoy cameo, though it's completely random. Sweet little side-by-side with the D and Excelsior-class- the Ex is so bulky underneath and in her neck, it almost seems like she could equal the D's size if she was flatened out a bit. The love-chimes of Riker and Troi are silly, but a late-80's artifact I think. She's rather dry and the mind-voice-over is stilty. There's a really weird fade-in effect during the Riker/Data chat- looks like they attempted to splce together two different takes into the same shot. Wesley is an annoying fanboy (not to be confused with Will Wheaton himself, who is an awesome fanboy ). Jellyfish ship creature rather lovely but Troi kinda grates here- the emotional descriptions seem heavy-handed given the obviousness of the visuals and music here. "I'm sure most will be much more interesting" So do we . Verdict: Introduces some elemtns here that play significant roles in the series, particulalry Q and the eventual resolution to this storyline in the series finale. Though I had never seen it before and never had a problem following the series, it may not be a "have to see to follow the series", but overall it's Definitely Essential, if a bit dry. Still, not bad for a pilot. 103: The Naked Now: -Premise: The crew of the Enterprise-D encounter a compound which causes them to lose control of their actions and feelings. -T2Q Comments: 2 episodes in and 2 episodes with people being frozen- must have gotten a bulk discount on frozen makeup. As the name indicates, this is a sequel of sorts to TOS The Naked Time (based on a script written 20 years prior)- one episode in after the pilot and we're already redoing a TOS episode, and a bad one at that? Poor Tasha, how embarassing to the character. That assistant chief engineer would be fired for letting a kid watch his post... and now I hate Wesley. Tasha/Data? Really? This ep is falling into the damn Mudd/Ivy/Hathor plotpoint trap. If they've already accessed the Enterprise's records on this disease, then shouldn't they know to avoid contact to spread it? Ah, I see Crusher is the only competent person here so far. I think they shot themselves in the foot here by trying to make Data super-fast with replacing the control chips- there's no way what he's doing would take longer than a minute or two- and certainly not longer than the 8 minute impact estimate he's trying to beat. "It never happened." I can only wish Btw, forgot to mention this for Farpoint, but it's odd seeing Geordi on the bridge instead of in Engineering- never remembered him being up front like this, but then these early episodes were mostly missed by me when they first aired. This episode seems to have problems not having enough stock footage of the D going very fast, so we get lots of moments where they're hitting Warp 7+ but only shown cruising by, or at the end here, blasting off fast, only for the next shot to be a slow cruise also. Verdict: Embarassing for the characters and actors (and both Frakes & Takei apparently agree with my assessment), will never care to rewatch this one outside of laughing at how bad it is. Into the "Trash" bin it goes! 104: Code of Honor: -Premise: The leader of a planet that produces a necessary vaccine decides he wants Tasha Yar as his wife. This places her in a death struggle with the leader's current wife. -T2Q Comments: Lazy (and fairly racist) alien design choice- "This week on Star Trek, the Enterprise visits the deadly world of the Black People!" They tend to make Tasha be over-the-top tough in spurts, ala early Carter on SG-1- it does a disservice to the character and, in fact, this episode bears similarities to an early SG-1 episode (might even have also been the 2nd regular episode). It is nice that they have restrained from sending Picard on every away mission unless necessary, something that was always strange with TOS always sending down it's entire senior command crew into hostile situations. They know where Yar is and don't wish to go through with the death duel, so why not just beam her ass up? Ok, they explain it a little, but it still doesn't wash well. "There is no physical training anywhere that matches starfleet." - I think the Klingons and every dead redshirt may beg to differ. Also, the death duel makes it seem like they're trying too hard to replicate the campy fights of TOS, which is something they shouldn't be trying to do in the first place. Verdict: Not particularly terrible, but very Forgettable- they need to stop trying to make the show "TOS v 2.0". 105: The Last Outpost: -Premise: In pursuit of Ferengi marauders, the Enterprise and its quarry become trapped by a mysterious planet that is draining both ship's energies. -T2Q Comments: Ferengi ship is a cool design...now if only the actual species could live up to the hype of being a "near equal" opponent to the Federation. "The Ferengi have us just where they want us-in their sights" well, guess who let that happen by not returning fire, earlier, baldy? ...and the Ferengi look like an ugly mouse- who thought making them a huge close-up on the viewscreen was a good idea? Chinese finger trap a believably amusing moment. TKon Empire is an interesting concept, wonder if it's ever explored elsewhere? Once again Tasha being female becomes something focused on. Actor who would later play Quark pops up here as a Ferengi. And then Star Trek 5's God arrives. Ferengi are spastic and not at all threatening and may have even thrown in a few racial stereotypes into the mix on top of it all. Verdict: Though I suspect the Ferengi are reintroduced after this initial debut falls flat, this is their first appearance so this could be classified as "Potentially Essential, But not necessarily Good", though the episode overall, outside of the Ferengi themselves, isn't half-bad. 106: Where No One Has Gone Before: -Premise: When a specialist in propulsion makes modifications to the Enterprise-D's warp drive that send it a 2.7 million light years out of the galaxy, it is his assistant, a mysterious alien, and Wesley Crusher that must bring them back home. -T2Q Comments: Breaking the 10-barrier again... rather gorgeous visuals, however- both of the wormholeish warp jumps are lovely and the second destination really complements and accentuates the seacreature design aspects of the D. Aha! The "door into space" visual with Picard, something that was plastered all over the place with video release ads & Tv spots for the series and left me wondering what episode it was from. Not sure I buy the leap in logic to Picard's (seemingly correct) conclusion about the thought-control. The Wesley/Traveler friendship seems rather brief for Wesley to have such a strong emotional reaction early on. Traveler reminds me of John Malkovich actually. Oh god- manskirt sighting- dude looks like a perplexed Harold (of & Kumar fame); Manskirts: 3, Masculinity: 0. Wesley is promoted here- to later be mocked by Galaxy Quest. Verdict: being the start start of the Wesley/Traveler arc, however, as well as his field promotion, makes it somewhat essential for the series. 107: Lonely Among Us: -Premise: While transporting delegates, Picard and his crew are enveloped by a cloud that seizes control of their minds and alters their behavior. -T2Q Comments: These ceremonial dresses are another bad idea...and, damn, if they are not doing Tasha any favors. These snake people are one of the more originaly and cool-looking aliens Trek has had in a long time, possibly ever- especially for what is likely to be a one-shot species of the week. The whole smug "I don't understand conflicts over religion, economic systems and customs" attitude they keep shoving in seems to make one wonder what exactly qualifies these people to do a job that would require them to understand those conflicts in order to resolve them? Not to mention the federation has had several such conflicts fairly recently with the Klingons & Romulans, etc. Apparently another episode featuring something transferred by touch. Looks like we have, like, the 3rd chief engineer so far. The predator ambassador is somewhat amusing "such is the nature of politics" . Conversation about Private Eyes is the seed for Data's later obsession with Sherlock Holmes it seems. Singh could have at least given Wesley a thank you...This mystery plotline would have been much more effective if they hadn't shown the electrical surge doing stuff and kept us the viewers guessing with the characters- and where is the "episode footage as security cam footage" when you need it? The Data-Sherlock scene is damn funny- especially if Spock was part Holmes or Doyle. "Sorry, wrong species" ha!. Interesting that many corridors are not lit as brightly as they later would be. Ghost in the machine ending kinda left-turns the episode- especially since they kinda killed Picard and recreated him. Verdict: Definitely Essential for the Sherlock connection, and a good episode overall, with some good humor, though the ending is a let down- also no resolution for the Parliament plotline. 108: Justice: -Premise: The Enterprise-D takes shore leave on an apparently pleasurable planet. However, they come into conflict with its rather draconian legal system when Wesley Crusher is sentenced to death for a seemingly slight rules violation. -T2Q Comments: "Lifeforms are almost identitical to us" oh, yay. Yes, let's investigate the fornication planet as being ideal for children; "let's hope it's not too good to be true", gee, wonder what's gonna happen... Near-partial nudity, hurrah! "Nice planet" . Planet of love hippies apparently overseen by a semi-mechanical entity, sounds familiiar- though the shadowy-station thing looks cool, I'll admit. The application of the Prime Directive here seems odd- if they are interacting with the culture as they are, it seems that already voids the Prime Directive shy of providing technological or informational advances. "Would you choose 1 life over 1000?" "I refuse to let arithmetic decide questions like that" foreshadows Picard's actions in Insurrection. Verdict: The episode's resolution does skip over the repercussions of breaking Prime Directive since, according to it, that's what they just did. Outside of the cheesy love hippies, I enjoyed the episode, though. Up next: 109: The Battle, 110: Hide and Q and 111: Haven. -----signature----- K'Kruhk, 140 ABY: "Why haven't I come forth earlier to share my Jedi knowledge with Skywalker? Well, it's kinda a long story, see, I had this freaking sweet hat..." Is your Death Magnetic?
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Jedimarine Registered: Feb '01	Date Posted: 6/17 10:41am Subject: RE: Engage! The Star Trek: TNG General Discussion
	I don't know what's worse 2nd: you're near encyclopedic recitation of some of the pits of tv scifi past. or the fact that you have me considering a similar direction to the Stargate discussion. _________ GAH! I have to get work done! -----signature----- GO SEE "THE DARK KNIGHT"
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The2ndQuest Title: : -Games -LACWAC -Lit Mod of Death Registered: Jan '00	Date Posted: 6/17 5:31pm Subject: RE: Engage! The Star Trek: TNG General Discussion
	Well, I've paced myself with the Trek project- I started in late 2004 with the really early TOS episodes. TNG is less painful to watch though, plus the episodes are slightly shorter, so it's a little easier to keep a pace going. I marathoned through all of SG-1 & SGA with a friend a couple years ago back when Season 9 started to try and get her caught up (as, being a fan of Farscape, having Browder join the cast sold the show for her- though Shanks kept her interest during the earlier seasons ) and did manage to get her up to date in time for the Season 10 debut. But, damn, that's a lot of TV. Gonna need some time to recharge before I ever do that again -----signature----- K'Kruhk, 140 ABY: "Why haven't I come forth earlier to share my Jedi knowledge with Skywalker? Well, it's kinda a long story, see, I had this freaking sweet hat..." Is your Death Magnetic?
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Jedimarine Registered: Feb '01	Date Posted: 6/18 6:06am Subject: RE: Engage! The Star Trek: TNG General Discussion
	wait...your writing these reviews while watching all this stuff over again? I thought you were doing this from memory. -----signature----- GO SEE "THE DARK KNIGHT"
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The2ndQuest Title: : -Games -LACWAC -Lit Mod of Death Registered: Jan '00	Date Posted: 6/18 10:39am Subject: RE: Engage! The Star Trek: TNG General Discussion - Date Edited: 6/18 10:45am (2 edits total) Edited By: The2ndQuest
	Yep! - though a lot of episodes I've never seen before. However, since I did watch some of these shows back when they first aired (well, not in TOS's case, obviously, but the others), my memory does let me cheat a little and help me pick up which plot threads are major by knowing what is to come in some upcoming episodes, which actually helps this project a lot. The idea is to sorta edit down the episode lists of these shows to the essential episodes & good episodes mostly, so as to ascertain if it's worthwhile to pick up an entire season's boxset or if I'm better off assembling a best-of compilation, etc. You can see the reviews in the various Trek threads here in SFAF (TOS in the TOS thread, movies in the movie thread and now this one) or you can follow the whole she-bang from the start in one place in this thread in Amp. It's a project that will obviously take some time to complete -----signature----- K'Kruhk, 140 ABY: "Why haven't I come forth earlier to share my Jedi knowledge with Skywalker? Well, it's kinda a long story, see, I had this freaking sweet hat..." Is your Death Magnetic?
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adx Registered: Sep '07	Date Posted: 6/18 3:53pm Subject: RE: Engage! The Star Trek: TNG General Discussion
	I think my one of my favorite TNG episodes is farock and jarock.. not sure if i got the names right. I like the episode because it shows about communication and how failure to learn how to communicate can lead to miscommunication and even war. T2Q if you can remember the name of the episode that would be most helpful. The one thing about trek that i never liked was time travel that to me is just a simple plot device to get out of the way of certain things. -----signature----- Post Count - 386 http://boards.theforce.net/role_playing_forum/b10328/28638506/p1/?0
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The2ndQuest Title: : -Games -LACWAC -Lit Mod of Death Registered: Jan '00	Date Posted: 6/18 4:43pm Subject: RE: Engage! The Star Trek: TNG General Discussion
	It doesn't ring a bell off the top of my head, sorry- and I tried searching for different spellings of those names at Memory-Alpha (the Trek wiki) but didn't come up with any matches (so it's probably just a funky spelling). I'm a sucker for time travel & alternate universe stories- I certainly prefer the former over the lazy "time period planet of the week" approaches TOS took (the Roman planet, the Nazi planet, the Native American planet, etc) which might just as well have been time travel episodes. But I guess I like the "what if?" aspects and the potential "Final Countdown" we-have-to-succeed/stop-this or-it'll-wreck-history scenarios. Been tracking time travel stories as I've gone through this project as well, for those who haven't followed the previous threads, so far I have the following pre-TNG trips through time: -TOS: The City on the Edge of Forever (1930: NCC-1701 crew; from 2267) -TOS: Assignment Earth (1968: NCC-1701; from 2268) -TOS: Tommorow is Yesterday (1969: NCC-1701; from 2267) -ST4: The Voyage Home (1986: The Bounty crew, formerly of NCC-1701; from 2286) -TOS: The Tholian Web (2154 (Mirror Universe): NCC-1764 Defiant; from 2268) -TOS: The Naked Time (2266: NCC-1701 goes back in time 3 days; from 2266) -----signature----- K'Kruhk, 140 ABY: "Why haven't I come forth earlier to share my Jedi knowledge with Skywalker? Well, it's kinda a long story, see, I had this freaking sweet hat..." Is your Death Magnetic?
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RX_Sith Registered: Mar '06	Date Posted: 6/18 4:51pm Subject: RE: Engage! The Star Trek: TNG General Discussion
	I think he is referring to "Darmok" which was a episode where Picard struggles to communicate with an alien Captain who speaks in metaphors, before an invisible beast kills them both. -----signature----- Chief of Staff - The SWC Rebel Scum
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adx Registered: Sep '07	Date Posted: 6/18 4:56pm Subject: RE: Engage! The Star Trek: TNG General Discussion
	This is the episode to which i was wanting to point out. Not sure if links are allowed here or not let me know if they are not.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darmok -----signature----- Post Count - 386 http://boards.theforce.net/role_playing_forum/b10328/28638506/p1/?0
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The2ndQuest Title: : -Games -LACWAC -Lit Mod of Death Registered: Jan '00	Date Posted: 6/23 5:02pm Subject: RE: Engage! The Star Trek: TNG General Discussion
	109: The Battle: -Premise: Captain Picard is reunited with his old ship, the Stargazer, by a Ferengi who tries to kill him for killing his son. -T2Q Comments: The "a what?" headache and common cold bits fall under that preachy "we are future uber" tendancy that's annoying- i mean, they're not that far removed from Kirk and co. Is it really wise to have the Ferengi beam directly to the bridge? why not use another room or the transporter room for that matter? Ferengi's cartoony reactions ("at no cost?!") a tad grating as well. The Stargazer history is interesting and helps develop Picard some, as well as the Picard maneuver, though memory control device is a bit cheesy, it's destruction being the dramatic climax point of the story is a bit artificial. Verdict: A pretty decent episode that handles the Ferengi a little better than last time, Stargazer is good background. Potentially Essential, But Not Necessarily Good (though this one leans closer to being good than most in this category) 110: Hide and Q: -Premise: Q returns and wagers Captain Picard's command of the Enterprise against his keeping out of humanity's path forever if Riker can resist the power of the Q Continuum. -T2Q Comments: Return of the Q grid from Farpoint. Silly flair to Q's admiral uniform. The shakespeare exchange between Picard and Q is quite good. "More like vicious animal things", thank you for being so specific, Worf. Every episode seems to try to end with the lesson or moral spelled out loud. Verdict: Continuation of the main Q plotline. Definitely Essential. 111: Haven: -Premise: Troi's mother boards the Enterprise as Troi prepares for her arranged marriage. T2Q Comments: We get the introduction to Troi's mother here...but, arg, an arranged marriage story, yay. Turellian ship looks vaguely Ori-ish. Naked attendence to Betazoid wedding later referenced in Nemesis. "Could you please continue the petty bickering? I find it most intriguing" Verdict: Potentially essential due to the introduction of Mama Troi, but I could care less. Up next: 112: The Big Goodbye, 113: Datalore and 114: Angel One. -----signature----- K'Kruhk, 140 ABY: "Why haven't I come forth earlier to share my Jedi knowledge with Skywalker? Well, it's kinda a long story, see, I had this freaking sweet hat..." Is your Death Magnetic?
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