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solojones
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I think they wanted to start out with something that the general public would be familiar with, so as not to scare people off right away with Superman's largely sci-fi based enemies. Which will probably be coming soon.
I have a question... can we start a thread for Man of Steel yet so that we can discuss SR here and that there, or what?
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darth-sinister
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There is a thread for the next film. No one has really used it yet.
Lex was used again, because he is one of the more memorable Superman villains and throughout the years, he has appeared the most. Now, we're set to get others. Hopefully Brainiac. Anyway, Clark's time in the Fortress would be boring as hell. He does nothing except learn and sleep.
And it was Jon Peters, not Peter Gruber. As it is, you should count yourself lucky whisper. If Peters had the control that he once did, the film would've been really bad.
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whisperjedi posted:
Superman Returns was CRAP! Harris & Dougherty were fanboys who Singer brought onboard the Superman gameplan. Mario Puzio wrote a freakin "phonebook" for Superman the movie. And was expertly revised by Tom Mankiewicz, co-written by Robert Benton, and also a husband and wife duo(primarily responsible) for Supes 3. Singer decided to pitch & pay homage to Donner and the original film. Which in my book was the wrong choice. He or someone else should producer have revised it or done something else. Did anyone know exactly how long Reeves'Clark Kent stayed in the Fortress? Ten-years. Why didn't they make a movie about that? I knew "Returns" was in trouble when I saw Peter Guber's(Executive Producer)in the title credits. This "Hollywood" wanted Superman fighting polar bears in the movie...and a mechanical spider.(See Kevin Smiths' comment about this on Youtube.)
Superman the Movie had magic...all the stars aligned for this magnificent film. Donner, Puzio, Brando, Williams and Hackman. The story pitch from Harris&Dougherty took place on a plane from or to Hawaii. And I heard from a L.A source that X-men 2 was mostly directed by the 1st Assistant director not Singer. And don't even get me started on Kate Boswell's completely forgettable Lois Lane.
1. It's Puzo, not Puzio.
2. As sinister said, be thankful it wasn't Peters, and be extremely thankful that J.J. Abrams's script wasn't used.
3. 3 was an unfunny comedy while 4 was stupidity cubed.
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And noone at the Daily Planet thought it was odd that Superman and Clark returned at the same time.
They are more obvious than He-Man and Prince Adam.
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darth-sinister
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Clark was still on Earth. Martha sent postcards to Lois, with Clark's handwriting forged. Superman was not seen all together. Clark also left after Superman was last seen publically, by a few days.
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Gobi-1
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One of the great things about Brandon Routh's performance is that he underplays the part of Clark Kent. Making the fact that everybody overlooks and pays little attention to him really believable. I think that's another reason why nobody makes the connetion between Clark's and Superman's returns.
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Thanks sinister. Makes a little more sense. 
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Gobi-1 posted:
One of the great things about Brandon Routh's performance is that he underplays the part of Clark Kent. Making the fact that everybody overlooks and pays little attention to him really believable. I think that's another reason why nobody makes the connetion between Clark's and Superman's returns.
Yeah, I really really like his take on Clark. He feels like a living, breathing person, and the kind of guy you'd just take for granted. Plus, I enjoy the tons of subtle expressions that give the audience a clue about what he's actually thinking even though the characters don't notice. The overlap between Clark and Superman in this film is awesome as it lets you see the man between the disguises.
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That's why Clark Kent's public persona is the way it is. The less people notice Clark Kent, the less likely they'll make the connection that he's really Superman. And when it comes to those who know Clark well, he has allies such as J'onn J'onzz cover for him. The only difference between Reeve and Routh was that Routh relied less on being clumsy, than Reeve, who used it to hide his strength and to make him look pathetic.
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Well that and the nature of their scripts. SR was written so that we saw a lot of Clark after other people left or when they weren't watching as well as a lot of Superman by himself.
You don't get that much with the way STM is written once he's an adult. You mostly just see Clark the way he presents himself to others. And yeah, the extreme clutziness is part of it.
I think the low-key and slightly awkward Clark of SR is just a different take... but also, it seems like it would be closer to how he actually is. I really love the way how we the audience see Superman and Clark kind of bleed together, while the other people don't notice because they're not paying any attention.
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I read all the negative stuff people have to say about Superman Returns and it sometimes leaves me down and depressed about the whole thing. However I hadn't watched the film since it came out on DVD so I really wanted to reaffirm my position that it is a good film.
Having just finished it I can say that Superman Returns is a wonderful film and a true piece of cinematic art. It's just absolutely beautiful something you cannot say about the majority of comic book flicks. I would say that Bryan Singer sometimes sacrifices the film's narrative and plot so he can work in a more poetic way. Singer, very much like George Lucas, creates tome poems or "visual poetry" as I like call it. For example the scene where Superman hovers above the earth just listening to all the problems out there. At that moment the imagery, sound and music comes together in beautiful visual poetry. Rhapsody in Blue Tights, you might say. I don't care how long I have to wait for the next film because I know it's going to be worth it with Singer behind the camera.
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solojones posted:
Well that and the nature of their scripts. SR was written so that we saw a lot of Clark after other people left or when they weren't watching as well as a lot of Superman by himself.
You don't get that much with the way STM is written once he's an adult. You mostly just see Clark the way he presents himself to others. And yeah, the extreme clutziness is part of it.
I think the low-key and slightly awkward Clark of SR is just a different take... but also, it seems like it would be closer to how he actually is. I really love the way how we the audience see Superman and Clark kind of bleed together, while the other people don't notice because they're not paying any attention.
I couldn't agree more with this post. The bleed together of Clark... or "Metropolis Clark" and Superman is what made this movie believable. At the same time there is a noticable difference, but it's not the goofy sort of persona that is portrayed in the original films. STM and SII worked really well. But a more real Clark with a more subtle sense of awkwardness is really more necessary.
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Yeah, it gives you the sense that it's not too much of a stretch for him, that both Superman and Metropolis Clark come from real places in himself, that they're just public personas... and don't we all have those?
Gobi, that is precisely how I feel! I've been telling people that one intangible thing about SR is that it's just so beautiful. And that I can't really say that about other comic films. There are some really great ones. But not even STM strikes me as 'beautiful'. A lot of other things, but not quite that... and you're so right about the scene where he's hovering above the earth. Amazing.
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Agree with the person who has read the negative reviews.Just forget about it.There are a lot of Trolls on the DC comics board on DC movies who are still carping.Let's go on to the sequel! I think Routh did a darn good job as Clark.Good scenes like the elevator where he used the shaft to change were around. Question about beginning:where did he get that ship to travel.I presume he used it to look for the ruins of Krypton.Wonder if he saw Argo City?You can't tell me there are no other survivors!
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solojones
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The Kryton scenes have been, strangely, left out of the film and DVD. Either they're waiting for an uber DVD or they're thinking of using it as flashback footage in MOS. I just want to see it, that's all.
I think the ship was supposed to have been constructed at the Fortress of Solitude.
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