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Jedimarine
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Sn4tcH posted:
I think it's simply the fear of eventually getting a bad movie. So far we're two for two, and maybe Nolan is the director that can give us that magic good 3rd film. After 3, you kind of start looking for trouble.
Actually, at this point it's like Godfather (Great) and Godfather: Part II (Even Better).
What we don't want is Godfather 3.
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The_Smirking_Revenge
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Vortigern99 posted:
[samuel_l_jackson]Well, allow me to retort![/samuel_l_jackson]
Whether Nolan helms the third film or not, there will be a sequel to the second largest grossing movie in film history. Warners controls the sequel rights, and have offered Nolan the job. Should he decline, it is 100% certain that the studio will proceed without him, in a similar style and with a smiliar approach to the material as established in BB and TDK.
Also, you might have noticed that we've actually moved away from the Riddler and have begun discussing Robin for at least the last 6 posts. Ironically enough, it is you, T_S_R, who are now bringing him up again -- all the while complaining that we've been going on about him for pages! 
My dislike of the Riddler is an opinion; it requires no "evidence" as you bewilderingly demand. I've said time and again that my imagination fails on this score. Even so, on 8/26 I responded quite favorably to JediMarine's depiction of the Riddler as "a hacker...or better yet...a security professional...obsessed with laying down puzzles as a means to keep things secure...and he twists it into a game to keep things from their true owners...not for his own gain, but for the pleasure of watching them jump his hoops to reach the goal, only to find another puzzle". As I said above, taking this idea, combining it with the living, labyrinthine video-game-master angle of the animated series Riddler, and dialing everything up about 111 notches, and you may have something exciting to do with this character after all.
As to film trilogies mirroring the three-act structure, of course you're correct; even if plays and operas are sometimes four or five acts, and novels can be as divided as the author fancies, almost all screenplays after 1962's HUD break a movie into 3 acts. Still, that's no reason perforce to present individual movies as episodes in a trilogy; my earlier point remains that the STAR WARS Original Trilogy was the first series to attempt the three-film-one-story approach. No other franchise film before SW attempted or even conceived of this: James Bond, Sinbad, Flash Gordon, Superman, and any other pre-SW series you care to name, all had multiple installments that did not play out in some grandiose three-movie saga. Just because SW, LOTR and POTC have done it, and lesser examples such as Evil Dead have cemented this contemporary trend, there is no reason to play "follow the leader" here and map out this operatic rise/explore/fall scenario.
I invite you, or anyone, to explain what's objectionable about making each individual film its own entity -- drawing on the previous installments and leading into the next, but not conforming to some kind of pre-destined, architecturally rigid three-film blueprint.
You know, you are far too touchy about this stuff. I wasn't chastising you for talking about the Riddler, so try not to take things so personally. I have no problem with your opinion about this stuff anyway. I merely thought it was funny and remarked on it.
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Sn4tcH
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Jedimarine posted:
Actually, at this point it's like Godfather (Great) and Godfather: Part II (Even Better).
What we don't want is Godfather 3.
Or even look no further than other comic films, X-men, Spider-man, Superman and even the last set of Batman films...
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Vortigern99
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I just think it's fun to debate, and I can be passionate about it. I apologize if I've offended you, T_S_R, or overstated my case.
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StarDude
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Sn4tcH posted:
Jedimarine posted:
Actually, at this point it's like Godfather (Great) and Godfather: Part II (Even Better).
What we don't want is Godfather 3.
Or even look no further than other comic films, X-men, Spider-man, Superman and even the last set of Batman films...
Although not technically a superhero movie, The Bourne Ultimatum gives me hope.
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Jedi_Master_Conor
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Hopefully TDK will hit or break $500 million this weekend.
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JediPrettyBoy
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StarDude posted:
Sn4tcH posted:
Jedimarine posted:
Actually, at this point it's like Godfather (Great) and Godfather: Part II (Even Better).
What we don't want is Godfather 3.
Or even look no further than other comic films, X-men, Spider-man, Superman and even the last set of Batman films...
Although not technically a superhero movie, The Bourne Ultimatum gives me hope.
Also, there are other third installments such like ROTJ and ROTK. Granted, ROTJ had some flaws that ESB did not, but it was still a pretty darn good and entertaining film. The makers don't have to top TDK, but they, at least, need to pay attention to what they are doing. I think the thing that sets TDK apart from other superhero movies is that, with it and its predecessor, you actually forget that its a comic book character. Also, Batman is less of a superhero and, basically, just a hero, but an amazing one. Therefore, suspension of disbelief is easier with his character and his most of his adversaries which is why, even, the Burton films seem campy.
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darth-sinister
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Vortigern99 posted:
But the secret identity thing has been done and done. The villain you describe, sinister, whether you call him Riddler or some other name, just doesn't have the "wow/awesome" quality that the other villains in the Nolanverse have had so far.
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Also, the villain in the third movie has to be able to bring everything together in some manner. I don't quite know how that can be done and my suggestions have been made several times over.
Simple. Instead of deducing Batman's identity, he goes after the truth about Harvey Dent's death. As he does so, Riddler creates a series of puzzles that are fatal, but not "SAW" level. Traps for Gordon, his family and the Mayor. And as to the villains having a wow/awesome factor, only the Joker had that in these two films. The Scarecrow and Ra's al Ghul weren't nowhere near that level. Same with Two-Face. Save for the Joker, all of them have been pretty pedestrian compared to their comic counterparts.
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Juliet316
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I think part of that is because Ledger got it. He got the essence of Joker and was able to bring that forward on screen. Not even Nicholson ever truly got who the Joker was. Not entirely and not in the way it needed to be in order to work on Nolan's Batverse.
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Spiderfan
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Well that answers that:
Superherohype.com posted:
Q: Is Harvey Dent alive?
Aaron Eckhart: No. He is dead as a door nail.
Q: So he's not coming back?
Eckhart: He ain't coming back baby!
Q: I was hoping he would.
Eckhart: No. I asked Chris [Nolan] that question and he goes, "You're dead" before I could even get the question out of my mouth. "Hey Chris, am I?" "You're dead!" Alright, cool.
Q: That's not a problem in comic book movies. You could still come back.
Eckhart: I think in contract negotiations it's a problem.
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Disappointing because I wanted to see Eckhart/Two-Face return, but nice due to the way they wrapped up his storyline.
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Jedi_Keiran_Halcyon
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I think the only way they can hope to top the success* of TDK is to do something incredibly ballsy and 'never been done before' like revealing Batman/Bruce Wayne's identity to all of Gotham.
*I don't think it's really so impossible to match or exceed the quality, but the massive ticket sales will be hard to replicate.
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Darth_Hydra
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Dark_Jedi_Kenobi posted:
Disappointing because I wanted to see Eckhart/Two-Face return, but nice due to the way they wrapped up his storyline.
I'm the opposite of you: Two Face was great but I'm already anticipating news on the next villain(s). Usually, my preference is to see new bad guys instead of bringing old ones back. This is one reason I was disappointed in Spider-Man 3 and Superman Returns.
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Jedimarine
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Well it certainly settles it in terms of "we won't see him in the movies" atleast. My guess is that there are more circumstances outside of just the "story" being served for Two-face to live about a day and a half.
perhaps they weren't satisfied with how the Two-face look came out?
Maybe Two-face didn't test well?
perhaps there is a desire to move on to a new story, and not overlap...the death of Rachel assists with this as well...they could very easily skip ahead years now if they wanted.
perhaps they know they're only going to do one more, and they're struggling with the which villains from the gallery to get in before they close this chapter on the Bat.
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Count_Doodie
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my memory is a little foggy.... why did Jim Gordon fake his death?
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