Jedi Council Forums - Recommendations for the best Star Trek film?

Jedi Council Forums » Science Fiction and Fantasy » SFF: Films and Television »

Post Reply | Active Topic Notification | Previous Active Topic | Next Active Topic

« 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | 10 | 11 | 12 | 13 | 14 - Previous | Next | Reload

Author	Topic: Recommendations for the best Star Trek film?
Darthhelmut Registered: Sep '04	Date Posted: 4/30 4:58pm Subject: RE: Recommendations for the best Star Trek film?
	I really liked the TNG movies better that the OS movies....I would kill for a DS9 movie. -----signature----- I was trained in your Jedi arts by Count DOOOKU Funny, I trained the man who killed him.
	Post Reply \| Quote Reply \| Active Topic Notification \| Private Message \| Post History
PetraKenobi Registered: Feb '08	Date Posted: 5/4 2:34pm Subject: RE: Recommendations for the best Star Trek film?
	I didn't like 1, 2, 3, 5, or really even 10. I thought the first three OS movies, and 5 were all boring and ridiculous. 4 cracks me up because Spock seems so ditzy. They needed at least one movie for each series; including Voyager. still wish they hadn't left that little hanger at Endgame. -----signature----- Daughter of Eve For Narnia and for Aslan! padawan and adoptee of s65horsey! Obi-Wan, Obidala, Han Solo, and Trek fan for life CHECK OUT MY FANFIC: http://boards.theforce.net/the_saga/b10476/28434505/p1/?35
	Post Reply \| Quote Reply \| Active Topic Notification \| Private Message \| Post History
The2ndQuest Title: : -Games -LACWAC -Lit Mod of Death Registered: Jan '00	Date Posted: 5/20 3:11pm Subject: RE: Recommendations for the best Star Trek film?
	Star Trek III: The Search For SpockSpecial Collector's Edition Admiral James T. Kirk, finding out he made a mistake by leaving Spock on the Genesis planet, must disobey orders and hijack the hobbled Enterprise to retrieve his best friend. However, a rogue Klingon seeking the secrets of the "Genesis torpedo" puts Kirk's mission as well as the Enterprise, its crew, and Spock himself in jeopardy. T2Q Comments: Good reintroduction; I love it when sequels pick up immediately after their predecessor and can really explore some of the aftermath and reprecussions (Insurrection, I hate you SOO much). Nice to finally get the Klingons involved in the plot beyond an intro cameo...but why do bad guys always have to have an evil looking pet? (incidently, he shows more emotion over it's death than his lover, ha). I love the Space Dock station introduced here- gorgeous, wish we'd get to see more of them beyond this movie and a couple subsequent cameos; and I see we get a "You forgot to include me in the good movie" cameo by Rand during the docking sequence as well. Federation troopers look absolutely ridiculous, like a a football wrapped around their head and an inexplicably white chest piece on the darker uniform- I've seen fanfilms put together more convincing trooper armor designs; though I'm sure the span of time is greater, the mentions of the Klingons suing for peace almost imply a closer timespan between 3 and 6); why...why are the seats on the science vessel...pink?; nice to see Sarek again (I believe this is his reintroduction into the post-series universe). Reusing footage from TWOK as security cam footage not really convincing, unless 23rd century security cameras are always set for closeups and dramatic editing). I love the one shot during the officer's lounge scene with the Commander where you have Kirk essentially figuring out what he is going to have to do. And next up we have Trek's sad attempt to do a cantina scene (seriously, just insert McCy's look around with 3PO and you prettty much have the same shot)- but Trek's never been one for style or convincing aliens- but they're all fairly terrible here- from the waitress with makeup that Twisted Sister would find embarassing, to the Quark-meets-Yoda smuggler. "How many fingers do I have up?" "That's not very damn funny." That's worthy, but the humor with the tall guard and Sulu doesn't make much sense- Sulu didn't do anything to the guard to make him react hostile other than try to make friendly small talk; Sulu is awesome, though- and these troopers still look silly. I rather enjoy Scotty's constant disdain for the Excelsior, though I do like the ship myself (though the secondary hull looks a bit too fat)- however, I do hate this annoying twerp Uhura's working with; whole stealing of the Enterprise sequence is really a highlight of the whole franchise- just the lovely shots of the Enterprise backing out of the doors and pivoting, and later with the Excelsior looming from beyond the lip of the Space Dock saucer- great stuff. The new actress playing Saavik is acceptable, though a bit more distant than Kristie- however, what the hell is with Saavik blaming David for all the deaths surrounding Genesis? How does his little science shortcut in any way make him responsible for Khan or Kruge's actions? So mini-Spock is going through the 7-year Vulcan Horny cycle and Saavik calms it by rubbing fingers together...do i really want to know what that's the equivilent of?. The selfdestruct code sequence, as I noted earlier in the project, is the same one used in a TOS episode, so nice throwback detail there, and the actual destruction of the ship is appropriately big and tragic seeming. I am amused that this particular nook of Genesis (when Spock's face starts changing) looks almost exactly like (an obviously better dressed) the typical rocky planet set in TOS. "I do not deserve to live." "Fine. I'll kill ya later." The reaction by Saavik when she faces Spock again isn't disuading my earlier theories... The end title rendition of the TOS title theme really makes me wish they'd replace that awful thing with a new version like this in the remastered series. Lloyd's villain was pretty decent here- he's no Kahn, but I don't find him to be as weak as some claim he is. Also, it seems Edward James Olmos was originally going to play Kruge before Paramount nixed it- that would have been a rather different performance, I would imagine Overall, I think this one is a little underrated living in the shadow of Khan- not the best of the franchise, but still a solid entry and a good little middle chapter to the psuedo-trilogy/quartet of the good TOS movies. And the Adventure Continues... Up Next: Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home -----signature----- K'Kruhk, 140 ABY: "Why haven't I come forth earlier to share my Jedi knowledge with Skywalker? Well, it's kinda a long story, see, I had this freaking sweet hat..." "If I don't die, I don't feel like I'm getting my money's worth." - Drew_Atreides
	Post Reply \| Quote Reply \| Active Topic Notification \| Private Message \| Post History
Chancellor_Ewok Registered: Nov '04	Date Posted: 5/23 7:21pm Subject: RE: Recommendations for the best Star Trek film?
	Darthhelmut posted: I really liked the TNG movies better that the OS movies....I would kill for a DS9 movie. The time for a DS9 movie was Insurrection, which is what they should have done instead of the fountain-of-youth plot line, which was really just a glorified episode. The Enterprise is a capital starship and the Federation is at war. So what the hell is Picard doing running around the Briar Patch when the Enterprise should be at the front where she would do alot more good. Besides, it would have been awesome to see Picard and Sisko kicking Dominion ass together. -----signature----- For more information about the crack spider's bitch contact the Canadian Wildlife Service in Ottawa. I robbed the second largest bank in France using only a ballpoint pen I killed a man with this thumb.
	Post Reply \| Quote Reply \| Active Topic Notification \| Private Message \| Post History
The2ndQuest Title: : -Games -LACWAC -Lit Mod of Death Registered: Jan '00	Date Posted: 5/23 7:38pm Subject: RE: Recommendations for the best Star Trek film?
	That probably would have been better (well, considering how much Insurrection sucked, it definitely would have been better...), but after First Contact's success, though, there was no way ST9 was not gonna be based on the TNG crew. -----signature----- K'Kruhk, 140 ABY: "Why haven't I come forth earlier to share my Jedi knowledge with Skywalker? Well, it's kinda a long story, see, I had this freaking sweet hat..." "If I don't die, I don't feel like I'm getting my money's worth." - Drew_Atreides
	Post Reply \| Quote Reply \| Active Topic Notification \| Private Message \| Post History
Chancellor_Ewok Registered: Nov '04	Date Posted: 5/23 7:47pm Subject: RE: Recommendations for the best Star Trek film? - Date Edited: 5/23 7:50pm (1 edits total) Edited By: Chancellor_Ewok
	The2ndQuest posted: That probably would have been better (well, considering how much Insurrection sucked, it definitely would have been better...), but after First Contact's success, though, there was no way ST9 was not gonna be based on the TNG crew. Well, you could base it around the TNG cast even if you don't want to bring DS9 into the plot, although there is precedent for doing so. However, the Enterprise is still a capital starship belonging to a government that finds itself at war. Her place is on the front line, not in the Briar Patch. -----signature----- For more information about the crack spider's bitch contact the Canadian Wildlife Service in Ottawa. I robbed the second largest bank in France using only a ballpoint pen I killed a man with this thumb.
	Post Reply \| Quote Reply \| Active Topic Notification \| Private Message \| Post History
The2ndQuest Title: : -Games -LACWAC -Lit Mod of Death Registered: Jan '00	Date Posted: 5/23 10:31pm Subject: RE: Recommendations for the best Star Trek film?
	No, I agree- especially because they obviously couldn't find an answer for that, like how they brushed-overr Worf's involvement . -----signature----- K'Kruhk, 140 ABY: "Why haven't I come forth earlier to share my Jedi knowledge with Skywalker? Well, it's kinda a long story, see, I had this freaking sweet hat..." "If I don't die, I don't feel like I'm getting my money's worth." - Drew_Atreides
	Post Reply \| Quote Reply \| Active Topic Notification \| Private Message \| Post History
Emperor's Prize Registered: Jun '99	Date Posted: 5/24 4:48pm Subject: RE: Recommendations for the best Star Trek film? - Date Edited: 5/24 4:49pm (1 edits total) Edited By: Emperor's Prize
	One of these days I've gotta watch DS9. Otherwise, I'm completely lost once the timeline gets past TNG's Sixth Season. The thing is, I tried watching DS9 when it first aired and couldn't get into it. Maybe I'll try again one of these days -- after I rewatch the original series. That being said, as for Insurrection, I liked the film, even though it was a glorified episode. I certainly wouldn't put it on the same level as say First Contact, Wrath of Khan or the Search For Spock, but it's better than Generations, Nemesis, ST1 & 5. -----signature----- © 2008 http://dauntlessmedia.net BSG, Star Trek, Transformers, Lost, Indiana Jones, etc. » Analysis & Criticism » Image Galleries » Message Boards
	Post Reply \| Quote Reply \| Active Topic Notification \| Private Message \| Post History
Leto II Registered: Jan '00	Date Posted: 5/24 7:22pm Subject: RE: Recommendations for the best Star Trek film? - Date Edited: 5/24 7:26pm (2 edits total) Edited By: Leto II
	The2ndQuest posted: So mini-Spock is going through the 7-year Vulcan Horny cycle and Saavik calms it by rubbing fingers together...do i really want to know what that's the equivilent of?. Apparently, they shot a scene for ST IV prior to leaving Vulcan where Saavik confides to Amanda that Horny 'Tweener Spock knocked her up on Genesis, but this got dropped during editing (for what are probably hugely obvious character-repercussion reasons). ...Could've been the best "boot-scene" in Star Trek history. -----signature----- "Pronouncing the first 'r' in 'February' is like making a homemade seaQuest DSV uniform -- it's a crime against breeding, taste, intelligence, and humanity itself; and very few people appreciate the effort." -- Lore Fitzgerald Sjoberg
	Post Reply \| Quote Reply \| Active Topic Notification \| Private Message \| Post History
The2ndQuest Title: : -Games -LACWAC -Lit Mod of Death Registered: Jan '00	Date Posted: 5/24 7:55pm Subject: RE: Recommendations for the best Star Trek film? - Date Edited: 5/24 7:56pm (1 edits total) Edited By: The2ndQuest
	Emperor's Prize posted: One of these days I've gotta watch DS9. Otherwise, I'm completely lost once the timeline gets past TNG's Sixth Season. The thing is, I tried watching DS9 when it first aired and couldn't get into it. Maybe I'll try again one of these days -- after I rewatch the original series. Funny- that's actually what I've been doing the past couple years- it started out with a desire to finally sit down and watch DS9, but I figured I might as well start at the beginning and work my way through and up to DS9, as a sort o pay-off for having to endure TOS and early TNG Emperor's Prize posted: That being said, as for Insurrection, I liked the film, even though it was a glorified episode. I certainly wouldn't put it on the same level as say First Contact, Wrath of Khan or the Search For Spock, but it's better than Generations, Nemesis, ST1 & 5. Insurrection failed on several levels- a lot of the characters were portrayed in an embarrassing manner and given little to work with- especially Crusher. The villain was weak (far weaker than Saron or the Picard-clone), the "Insurrection" was hardly an insurrection, and the film had several embarrassing technical elements- most notably the "did they have the budget to the finish the scene?" blue screen room final showdown and Riker piloting the Enterprise with a microsoft joystick that rises out of the floor on a cardboard box. The only great moment in the film was the "He wouldn't." "Yes. He would" exchange, which nicely sets up the later moment in Nemesis. -----signature----- K'Kruhk, 140 ABY: "Why haven't I come forth earlier to share my Jedi knowledge with Skywalker? Well, it's kinda a long story, see, I had this freaking sweet hat..." "If I don't die, I don't feel like I'm getting my money's worth." - Drew_Atreides
	Post Reply \| Quote Reply \| Active Topic Notification \| Private Message \| Post History
The2ndQuest Title: : -Games -LACWAC -Lit Mod of Death Registered: Jan '00	Date Posted: 5/25 5:48pm Subject: RE: Recommendations for the best Star Trek film?
	Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home: Special Collector's Edition Admiral James T. Kirk is prepared to take the consequences for rescuing Spock and losing the Starship Enterprise, but a new danger has put Earth itself in jeopardy. Kirk and his crew must travel back in time in an old Klingon Bird-of-Prey to right an ancient wrong, in hopes of saving Earthâ€”and the Federationâ€”from certain doom. T2Q Comments: The opening challenger dedication is a nice touch, especially considering the shuttle prototype's namesake. Once again "film footage as cam footage" technique used, but at least here it's slightly more plausible. The Klingon prosecutor's rants are good setup for the later events of ST6. Scotty gets almost all the most quotable lines in this movie. #1: "Damage control- that's easy. Reading Klingon- that's hard." Nice to see Spock's mom reintroduced as his father was in the last movie- was it the same actress? It certainly looked like it I like the overall visual and audio impact of the probe- it's creepy and otherworldly, yet simple- I was reminded of it's appearance when reading Rendezvous With Rama; also the scale of the thing- particularly the one shot in a few minutes comparing it to the unlit, depowered Spacedock- is quite impressive, Spacedock is seemingly smaller than the glowing tube attached to the ball sensor on the probe. I must admit that whenever I see Brock Peters , I always recall him from this movie more than anything else (even his turn as Darth Vader). Also a good variety of starfleet commanders- first woman captain, then an indian and also Brock's character. Also love the redesigned Bounty bird of prey- the overall look, design, and the colors- dark green, with the red and yellow lights, I just love the look. Nice they at least bothered to give a Saavik send-off, and, doing a bit of research, it appears my earlier comments for ST3 were almost correct- there was an unfilmed line implying that the reason Saavik stayed on Vulcan was because she was pregnant with Spock's child from when she tried to alleviate his Pon Farr agony on the Genesis planet. Crazy Vulcans. One detail I didn't remember was how all the starfleet vessels got trapped in Spacedock when the probe drained power to it with the doors closed- that's gotta suck. A small touch, I also love the audio effects on the president's distress signal- it's very 80's, yet very creepy and powerful. Also, how come low-tech computer graphics used in movies like this and Aliens and the like from the 80's actually seem more advanced than what we have today, despite all our hi-rez, HD, full-color displays? A blink-and-you'll-miss-it final appearance cameo by Chapel, immediately followed by a Rand cameo as well. The slingshot technqiue is a nice throwback to TOS. Sulu's increasingly tense Warp factor countup is kinda cheesy but is surprisingly effecttve. The timewarp slingshot is portrayed as almost magical with the music and angles chosen- lovely, though the weird 2001 stargate hallucinations sequence is probably a bit over the top, and coulda been trimmed down a bit i think. There's something about the slight pauses when Spock puts on the headband that I just dig- it's a small touch, but it adds something intangible. Of course, Sulu's from San Francisco... lol. Why do San Francisco trash collecors talk like their from Brooklyn?. Nice touch with Kirk hawking the glasses he got from bones as a gift in the 2nd movie- though doesn't this put the glasses into a time loop? Each time Kirk will get them in the future, they'll have had an additional 300 years of wear and tear and entrophy, which might decrease their vallue when he hawks it... Some of the museum speech is a bit too overtly dramatic ("this is mankind's legacy", etc). One thing that's interesting is there's no real villain in the movie- the closest is Bob who seems to be a random ** just for the hell of it, but otherwise it's more of an obstacle-movie than opponent-movie, unlike most of the other Trek films. It's a good way of making a lighter Trek movie (Insurrection- I hate you SOO much!) "It is the Enterprise." Actually, it's the USS Ranger (which is not a nuclear wessel), but that's movie magic for you Dr Taylor just happened to drive by Spock and Kirk is a bit of a coincidence. Sulu's helicopter and Scotty's Plexicorp scenes are great. #2: "Hellooo computer.", #3: "How do we know he didn't invent the thing?"; obviously, Scotty knows how to rock the CAD and the Mac- only logical explaination is that 23rd technology is based on Apple technology Love Chekov's interrogation. "I do not know your name!". "What do you think?" "He's a Ruskie." "That is the stupidest thing I've ever heard- Of course he's a Ruskie! I mean is he some kind of retard or something?." This is the second time the US military has captured and interrogated a member of the Enterpirse crew. Apparently, according to a novel, Gary Seven (of Assignment Earth) recovered the klingon devices Pavel left behind on the aircraft carrier before they could alter the future. ...And Bob again becomes the closest thing to a random villain-standin- they really did not need to make him a **, only flawed character presence in the movie.I love, love, love the helicopter windshield wiper gag with Sulu- cracks me up everytime. The Chekov hospital rescue does feel like it was a subplot added in to extend the runtime by 5 minutes, it's very sidequesty; still funny though, but it wasn't really needed. "Chekov, Pavel, rank: Admiral" #3" "It's not just the whales- it's the water.". And now probably my favorite visual from the movie- the bird of prey decloaking and just looming above the whaler ship. That's very cool. #4: "Admiral- there be whales here!". Second favorite visual: the shadowy forms of the starfleet personel sillouetted against the large static visual screens as they wait for the whales to communicate with the whales- errie and absolutely fantastic. And then we have the new ship- they fake people into thinking they're getting the Excelsior, only to surprise us with the 1701-1A in one of my favorite visuals of the ship. Apparently, the original plan (as of ST3) was to give them the Excelsior, but that ultimately proved unpopular and so they went with the A route instead. On a overall perspective, I love this movie. As a kid, I think I watched this on video more times than any of the other movies, and probably didn't even recall much at all from the events of 2 or 3 at the time. I think I associated the Enterprise crew with The Bounty more than the actual Enterprise. I remember always squinting at the TV screen, hoping to gaina brief glimpse inside the probe (especially when it turns off and you can see a bit into the hole the sphere goes into). I love how, even though this is a lighter adventure and closer to a comedy, it's taken very seriously- more seriously than many serious sci-fi flicks in the ensuring years, in fact. Despite having a degree of camp being present from just having an 80's comedy component to it's structure, the film doesn't feel like it's campy. The future scenes are played dead-serious, and even in the 80's scenes, it feels grounded and the characters feel competant despite them being a fish out of water. The conclusion to the epic mini-Trek movie trilogy, ST4 is definitely essential viewing. Time Travel Log: -TOS: The City on the Edge of Forever (1930: NCC-1701 crew; from 2267) -TOS: Assignment Earth (1968: NCC-1701; from 2268) -TOS: Tommorow is Yesterday (1969: NCC-1701; from 2267) -ST4: TVH (1986: The Bounty crew, formerly of NCC-1701; from 2286) -TOS: The Tholian Web (2154 (Mirror Universe): NCC-1764 Defiant; from 2268) -TOS: The Naked Time (2266: NCC-1701 goes back in time 3 days; from 2266) And the Adventure Craps-out... Up Next: Star Trek V: The The Final The Final Frontier -----signature----- K'Kruhk, 140 ABY: "Why haven't I come forth earlier to share my Jedi knowledge with Skywalker? Well, it's kinda a long story, see, I had this freaking sweet hat..." "If I don't die, I don't feel like I'm getting my money's worth." - Drew_Atreides
	Post Reply \| Quote Reply \| Active Topic Notification \| Private Message \| Post History
The2ndQuest Title: : -Games -LACWAC -Lit Mod of Death Registered: Jan '00	Date Posted: 5/29 2:43pm Subject: RE: Recommendations for the best Star Trek film?
	Star Trek V: The Final Frontier: Special Collector's Edition A distress call to a broken, impoverished world brings Captain James T. Kirk and the malfunctioning Starship Enterprise-A face-to-face with Sybok, the half-brother of Spock. Having rejected logic, Sybok seeks to use the Enterprise-A to travel to the center of the galaxy on a quest for the mythical planet Sha-Ka-Ree, in hopes of finding God. Beliefs are called into question as Kirk, Spock and McCoy must put an end to Sybok's quest. T2Q Comments: And so now we come to the Star Trek movie so bad it wasn't even released theatrically in many countries... Not the catchiest intro, but not bad either- for the first time in 2 films, we're not picking up threads from the last movie's conclusion (except for the small "shakedown cruise" state of the Enterprise-A). TMP/TNG theme music- I imagine to reintroduce the fact to audiences that the TOS movies came up with it first, not the series that launched in the interim between ST4 and ST5...though is it me, or is the "engine charge up" sound effect from the TNG intro in tehre? Did they actually just straight-up take the exact TNG intro soundtrack and reuse it as-is? The rock climbing sequenceis amusing, though more an intrdouction/excuse for comedy than character introduction. And once again, Trek just cannot do cantina scenes, they really need to stop trying- the 3-breasted cat stripper? really?. Oh, David Warner! At least there'll be one performance worth watching here (except he has about 3 lines and 30 seconds of screen time in this movie it turns out- ARG! (though he at least gets one deleted scene)- nice to see they're involving the Romulans at least- though this one isn't a good performance. Ah, at least I get to see Spacedock again- though they reuse the A's reveal footage from the last movie. The campfire scene is quite good, actually. Captain Klaa is probably the worst looking Klingon I have ever seen- he feels like he should be in KISS or some 80's metal hair band, and i think his XO chick is in 6, isn't she? Poor Voyager- those probes just don't get any luck in Star Trek, do they? I love the Bird of Prey shots in this movie- very detailed, though lacking some of the grace of the effects in IV I also like how they actually use the shuttlecraft and bay in this movie, but how the hell does a single lift go from the shuttlebay to the bridge going up? So far the movie's been pretty surprisngly decent- I like how the klingons and enterprise are being drawn to the same place (if only there were romulan craft involved too), though the Enterprise going out in it's condition and there not being anyone else suitable is a stretch (you'd think they'd just send Kirk to temporarily take control of a fully functional ship in the quadrant). You know, so far there've been a few "traveling in space" transition shots, but none actually have the Enterprise in them- I suspect budget issues at play here, especially as most of the non-shuttle-related Enterprise-A effects looks subpar in this film. Captain Chekov and the strike team landing is all fine- cool stuff. Uhura's feather dance...just...just no...ugh. Aassault on Paradise City is kinda cool, actually. Though not necessarily a bad thing just yet, it can't be a good sign that they're using one of the overused plots from TOS- in this case, an alien group stealing the Enterprise. The shuttle crash landing does make you grimace a bit- ouch!; the Enterprise warping to dodge the klingon attack looks terrible though- but we have one of the only two memorable quotes from this movie- and the only one of those two that is actually memorable in a good way- Chekov's "Warp speed now!" "Sybock is my brother" "You just made that up!" yes, yes they did. They could have easily made him someone clsoe to Spock but not of his blood. Not liking the brainwashing ability of Sybock-sorta retreads the parasites from ST2, but stupider. Scotty is actually annoying in this movie- and why is the wall to the brig cell only like cardboard thick? And his "I know this ship like the back of my hand" BONK! moment is just embarassing. Ok, here's the exact deck order Spock, Kirk and Bones rocket past (I'll look past the odd arrangement of having higher decks being higher numbered unlike in other movies/shows): Deck 12, 13, 35, 53, 64, 52, 77, 78 & 78 again. This Scotty/Uhura stuff is just wrong- in fact, I think Uhura sums up just about everything wrong with this movie. The McCoy pain-flashback, though awkward to transition into, is a nice moment for someone who often doesn't get very good development and is generally a static character (except when he was involved with terrible romantic subplots in the series). Kirk's comments about not second-guessing their actions is interesting in light of his attitude later in Generations. Spock's refusal speech to Sybok is also quite good. I don't like that Sulu and Cekov are implied to not be strong enough to get past the brainwashing (Uhura, being so shallow, doesn't surprise me). Barrier effects also subpar. The abrupt return of power to Kirk is quite poor and degards the captive starship buildup. Kind of hard to share the amazement of Sybok or the majesty implied by the music or crew reactions (albeit the latter are brainwashed)- it's a rocky desert, almost exactly like the one we saw earlier in the movie or like Vulcan in the previous 2 movies, just less red- and how can the shuttlecraft be sending cam footage of the 4 walking off WITH THE SHUTTLECRAFT IN THE SAME SHOT? I see that, having failed in ST3 with exception to one time, they finally get their "multiple pillars of rock pop up out of the ground" visual achieved, hehe. And now the other, not-in-a-good-way memorable, quote: "What does god need with a starship?". Kind of a weak torpedo if they can escape the blast radius in 2 seconds on foot. I have to talk about the deleted Rockman sequence here briefly- just only having seen the suit test footage, it actually was a neat-looking alien, especially for Star Trek- though the stubby "tail" makes it look like it's taking a dump. I can't say if the sequence would have been good, but it seems like it had potential. Can't say it would drastically improve the film though. So a torpedo wont kill "god" but a couple shots from a klingon cannon will? I sort of expected God to take over the Bird of Prey to fulfill his need of a starship (thereby stranding the Klingons aboard the A to escape, which would have been a nice touch i think); a tenseless, weak ending overall. And so Klaa turns out not only to be a silly-looking villain...he's also a wussy little *****. Seriously, he's the insecur toughguy teenager who took his dad's hot rod/bird of prey out with his chick and his buddies, looking to make himself look cool. The shot of the bird of prey and A leaving is a nice setup for the peace treaty of 6 though. Overall...the movie isn't as bad as I remember (then again, I last tried to watch this thing as a kid and just about fell asleep before Sybok took over Paradise City )- and the first half of the movie is actually not half-bad, but falls apart around Sybok announcing his intention to capture the Enterprise (or, even, Uhura's father dance...). Though the main three characters still manage to have good moments throughout the movie (Scotty, Uhura, Sulu and Cekov get the shaft though). You know what the main problem with the movie is? It's an episode of TOS, especially it's second half. With the majority of space travel and planet approach being done on the bridge via viewscreen and being talked about but not shown. It tries to become too intellectual at the end and falls on it's face while visiting an unimaginative planet with a super-being pretending to be a god. I'm not knocking the effects (I'll point out their flaws, but I don't hold it against the movie), but it follows the cookiee cutter outline for a generic TOS episode using an overused plot. I can imagine Roddenberry beaming with pride over this movie for not being a good movie while being closer to his vision of Star Trek, since he apparently hated the other movies for thei more militaristic approach to things. Not quite as bad as I had remembered, but still not very good. Half an ok movie, though, but it doesn't even fulfill the one hope I had had going in for it- to get to see the A in action a little more. The Journey Concludes... Up Next: Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country aka "We Are Damn Sorry." -----signature----- K'Kruhk, 140 ABY: "Why haven't I come forth earlier to share my Jedi knowledge with Skywalker? Well, it's kinda a long story, see, I had this freaking sweet hat..." "If I don't die, I don't feel like I'm getting my money's worth." - Drew_Atreides
	Post Reply \| Quote Reply \| Active Topic Notification \| Private Message \| Post History
Koohii Title: Games: RPG d6 GM Registered: May '03	Date Posted: 6/10 5:56pm Subject: RE: Recommendations for the best Star Trek film?
	So, does anyone else remember "The Nitpickers' Guide for ___ Trekkies" series of books? The Nitpickers' Guide for Next Generation Trekies The Nitpickers' Guide for Classic Treckies I think there was one for Deep Space 9 and a second one for next Gen. The whole thing started because one guy was trying to figure out if the NextGen characters had to tap their insignias or not to use them as communicators. Then he started noticing the other inconsistencies. Then his friends started finding them for him. Then total strangers. Then they got published... Pretty funny. -----signature----- Create happy mediums: Free prozac to all psychics & Jedi I'm met 6yo adults and 36yo children Still working toward Ni-Kyu Go Ju Ryu
	Post Reply \| Quote Reply \| Active Topic Notification \| Private Message \| Post History
The2ndQuest Title: : -Games -LACWAC -Lit Mod of Death Registered: Jan '00	Date Posted: 6/17 9:18am Subject: RE: Recommendations for the best Star Trek film?
	Star Trek VI: The UnDiscovered Country: Special Collector's Edition An interstellar cataclysm cripples the Klingon Empire's homeworld, leading to their Chancellor seeking peace with the Federation. But covert acts attempt to thwart the peace process and, instead, plunge the Federation into interstellar war – with the Starship Enterprise-A and Captain James T. Kirk caught in the middle. Kirk must clear his name and overcome old prejudices to ensure that the chance for a new era of peace between the Federation and the Klingon Empire does not go to waste. T2Q Comments: Great intro- nice to see the Excelsior up and running, even cooler to see Sulu in command and how he uses his navigation background in that role. Also another Rand cameo. She's really popped up in these movies more than I had realized prior to this- though time has not been as good to her as the rest of the crew. The Praxis effect is still neat even after all this time (did this do the effect first or was it Stargate? I forget offhand)...how come we never got The Sulu Show? Nice to see Brock Peters one more time. Kirk's hardline anti-Klingon stance seems odd given the end of the last movie, though. I spacedock. Supposedly there was originally a storyboarded shot of the HMS Bounty in spacedock being dissassembled- would have loved that touch. The sound-board-like flight controls for the A actually make a lot of sense, pitty they weren't always there . And at least the A's effects look solid once again (even though they reused the A-reveal shot again!). Nice that they brought back the Battlecruiser after all the Bird of Prey love, though I still prefer the Bird of Prey. David Warner's back! yay! Obviously a "we're soo damn sorry about that" role- but does Trek have some kind of "David Warner Cannot Be in More Than 3 Scenes" limit? Also, people moving in mid transport always creeps me out- THEY ARE RECONSTRUCTING YOUR DAMN MOLECULES- STAND STILL! Christopher Plummer, also very good. They do an excellent job of creating the tension at the dinner table- the Hitler joke hits the right note in the tension. The surprise attack sequence is quite effective. It's Draal as a Klingon! (i now in retrospect realize it's the same character from ST4, and though he seemed familiar then, I didn't recognize him till now since it's about the same time he was on B5). If only the Earth president could call someone a dumbass...oh, and Odo's here as well. Obviously that whole Organian thing isn't a factor to these Federation guys anymore. "Those men have literally saved this planet.", very nice moment there. Kim Catrall pole entrance is fun- were those always there? "Does this pole still work? Wow, this place is great! You guys gotta try this pole!" . Granddaddy Worf a nice little back and forth with TNG. Bones enjoying the single laugh his joke gets is probably my favorite bit here. "...was the last, best hope (in the universe) for peace" Nice that the Kirk demotion from 4, a good thing then, is brought back up to haunt him here- really enhances the "epilogue to 3 & 4" feel this movie has. Sulu rules. And another Rand cameo that you'd completely miss (or wonder why she gets a closeup reaction to the verdict) unless you really know your Trek. "An ancestor of mine once said..." So...Spock is a descendant of Sherlock Holmes (or at least Doyle)? Ha! Soul Hunter Warden. Inmates not quite a cantina, not quite Jabba's Palace...comes off better than past attempts, but some aliens still don't work well- love the bug-eyed green dude though. I see the starfleet trooper has mysteriously misplaced his silly football helmet..i wonder why..oh, because it's silly looking. Kim Catrall always looks like she's really having fun with this role- makes me glad they didn't make the character Saavik like originally planned (though now the character sorta just dissapears in the franchise after 4, with a might-have-Spock's-love-child deleted moment. "What is is with you, anyways?", ha. The Slater cameo confused me as a kid, as I expected him to have a larger role being who he was. But i guess that's the perk when your mom is the casting director- I wonder if Rand would be more recognizable in hindsight if she had gotten this scene like she was originally going to. A scene with only Shatner and Shatner? Shatner would approve. One of the more disturbing, but still most effective and lacking a hokey-nature, mind-melds we've seen. Funny that they didn't even bother to name the Romulan Ambassador to the point where even when named via the mind-meld, he is called by his description/title. Great attack sequence- the shot of the torpedo running through the A's hull is rather memorable- "Cry havac! And Slip the dogs of war!". Gotta love the Ex and E pounding the crap outta the Bird. "Go to hell"- a throwback to Voyage's colorful metaphors? An appropriate ending and farewell to the TOS crew, especially the transition from TOS's "no man" to TNG's "no one". I especially like the touch of the signature credits. Overall? This is a great movie and I think I might have to say it's the best of the whole series. It takes itself seriously, and while Kahn is more memorable as a villian than the General here, the General is more grounded. It also involves the non-bridge crew of the Enterprise, which is always effective in conveying the nature of the ship that tends to be lacking. The crew usually are just bodies to fling around as cannon fodder, but here, even though few if any have a severely active role, their overall presence, especially when searching for boots and uniforms, is felt much more. The movie is definitely a sequel to the 2-3-4 trilogy. Anything from 5 is ignored- particularly the attitudes towards the Klingons, which was much more friendly and flirtaticious (like at the end of an episode or two of TOS) at the end of 5, than the begrudging racism permeating the attitudes of 6. Elements like the Excelsior and recurring Klingons and Federation characters, references to Spock's and Kirk's son's deaths, etc, really ground it as an epilogue to that trilogy, and, in general, make the TOS film saga amount to actually being 2, 3, 4 & 6, with 5 being largely ignored and terrible and 1 being mostly inconsequential and unconnected to the other 5. BONUS: Star Trek (VII): Generations (Prologue) Kirk, Scotty & Chekov attend the launching of the Enterprise-B, when the ship must attempt to rescue the passengers aboard transport ships threatened by a mysterious spacial energy ribbon. T2Q Comments: Figured it'd be interesting to review the opening sequence to this movie as an epilogue to the TOS era (I'll review the entire film properly after I finish TNG). It's nice to see the Enterprise-B, as it begins to setup later crews and generations- a notion also conveyed through the introduction to Sulu's daughter (and the Kirk line of "When did Sulu have time to have a family?" is a nice thematic throwback to the campfire conversations of 5). The banter between Kirk. Chekov and Scotty is great here, particularly their teasing of his ceremonious issuing of the launch order. The B's crew includes a human Tuvok, Aaron from 24 and Vasquez the Irish Stepmom. Though it'd be nice if the B's Captain didn't seem quite so at a loss for making decisions- I mean, he had to have some command skill to get the Captaincy of the new Enterprise, right? Sequence also introduces Guinan, which is a nice setup for her appearing shortly in TNG. An interesting "end" for Kirk, though it feels like a Scotty death to me. But it is a heroic end, and he did save the Enterprise. Combined with Scotty's later reappearance in the TNG era and the remainder of Generations and all of First Contact, this moment sets up a great premise for the novel Engines of Destiny, which probably should have been the basis for Star Trek 9 (haven't yet read the book proper yet, though, but the idea is solid enough). But we'll get to that a wee bit down the road. And now, To Baldly Go Where No One Has Gone Before. Up Next (in another thread): Star Trek The Next Generation -----signature----- K'Kruhk, 140 ABY: "Why haven't I come forth earlier to share my Jedi knowledge with Skywalker? Well, it's kinda a long story, see, I had this freaking sweet hat..." "If I don't die, I don't feel like I'm getting my money's worth." - Drew_Atreides
	Post Reply \| Quote Reply \| Active Topic Notification \| Private Message \| Post History
Chancellor_Ewok Registered: Nov '04	Date Posted: 6/17 11:03am Subject: RE: Recommendations for the best Star Trek film? - Date Edited: 6/17 11:20am (1 edits total) Edited By: Chancellor_Ewok
	The2ndQuest posted: [b]how come we never got The Sulu Show? That idea was thrown around for while as possible follow on after Voyager went off the air. George Takie said he wanted to do it too. I've always really like the idea of a TV series set in the movie era. I think Star Trek: Excelsior could have been really good and been much more successful than Enterprise. -----signature----- For more information about the crack spider's bitch contact the Canadian Wildlife Service in Ottawa. I robbed the second largest bank in France using only a ballpoint pen I killed a man with this thumb.
	Post Reply \| Quote Reply \| Active Topic Notification \| Private Message \| Post History

« 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | 10 | 11 | 12 | 13 | 14 - Previous | Next | Reload

Jedi Council Forums » Science Fiction and Fantasy » SFF: Films and Television »