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OBI-BEN-KENOBI Registered: Mar '04	Date Posted: 10/20/06 5:10am Subject: RE: The Timmverse: The DC Animated Universe Thread
	I hate the character design and style of The Batman too much to fall in love with the show, but I'd be able to at least like it if they didn't have the worst joker design and voice acting ever. -----signature----- FOUNDER of the Comic book draft "Dames are like Mustard: they taste great on a sandwich. But when you're not eating a sandwich... they just sit there in the fridge... on a shelf... in a jar... labeled... Mustard. "
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DarthPhelps Registered: Jan '02	Date Posted: 10/20/06 9:13am Subject: RE: The Timmverse: The DC Animated Universe Thread
	I haven't seen any episodes of The Batman, and based off everything I have seen and read there isn't much drive to do so. Just based on the artwork, it almost seems like they're trying too hard to be different than the previous incarnations of the Batman character & stories (recently posted Joker & Riddler pics are a fine example). -----signature----- I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion. Sometimes I wake up grumpy. Other times I let her sleep.
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darth-sinister Title: Manager Emeritus Registered: Jun '01	Date Posted: 10/21/06 12:10am Subject: RE: The Timmverse: The DC Animated Universe Thread
	Yeah, but my issue isn't about the previous series being superior. It's that the previous series was fairly faithful to the spirit of the comics. Even when the DCAU went off in it's own tangent with stories, the characters resembled their original counterparts in the DCU. This version barely even does that. Penguin doing kung-fu? Last I read, he wasn't capable of that and even Paul Dini has kept him consistant with his appearence in Detective Comics to previous years and his own animated take. Cluemaster being this short guy who lost a quizshow? The guy I know was an ordinary joe who became a criminal, when his mind went out the door and started leaving clues while committing robberies. Later he gave that up and stuck to just committing crimes without leaving clues. Bane doesn't even look like the character. Granted, they got carried away with the redesign by Bruce Timm, but I never saw him turn red. There's change for the sake of change and then there's change to be hip & cool. -----signature----- Stewie: "Oh, this is an even bigger jackpot than when the Emperor came up with the formula for great Star Wars dialouge." Palpatine: "Something, something, something. Dark side. Something, something, something complete."
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RolandofGilead Title: Manager Emeritus Registered: Jan '01	Date Posted: 10/23/06 12:02pm Subject: RE: The Timmverse: The DC Animated Universe Thread
	What bothered me about The Batman was it looked just like the art designs for another cartoon I really hate, The Jackie Chan Adventures. After TAS Batman should lead the industry, not copy some of it's worst traits. Quick update: Justice League Unlimited Season One, and Batman Beyond Season Two go on sale tomorrow. The best prices I could find were at Best Buy and Circuit City who offered them at $29.99 each. -----signature----- Satan's not in a guitar pick, he's inside all of us. In here, in your hearts. He's what makes us not want to go to work, or exercise, or tell the truth. He's that little voice in your mind that says "**** you" to the people you hate.
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darth-sinister Title: Manager Emeritus Registered: Jun '01	Date Posted: 10/23/06 12:17pm Subject: RE: The Timmverse: The DC Animated Universe Thread
	They were modeled after Jackie Chan Adventures. The artist in question is Jeff Matusda, who used to draw X-Factor in the mid 90's. -----signature----- Stewie: "Oh, this is an even bigger jackpot than when the Emperor came up with the formula for great Star Wars dialouge." Palpatine: "Something, something, something. Dark side. Something, something, something complete."
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OBI-BEN-KENOBI Registered: Mar '04	Date Posted: 10/23/06 8:09pm Subject: RE: The Timmverse: The DC Animated Universe Thread
	I still just don't understand the villain redesign, or why they felt the need to make up new origins for every one. -----signature----- FOUNDER of the Comic book draft "Dames are like Mustard: they taste great on a sandwich. But when you're not eating a sandwich... they just sit there in the fridge... on a shelf... in a jar... labeled... Mustard. "
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weezer Registered: May '01	Date Posted: 10/23/06 8:27pm Subject: RE: The Timmverse: The DC Animated Universe Thread
	darth-sinister posted: They were modeled after Jackie Chan Adventures. The artist in question is Jeff Matusda, who used to draw X-Factor in the mid 90's. Yeah, that might be why I don't find it as dispicable as other people. I've always loved Matusda. Thought it was great seeing him on Jackie Chan and was equaly thrilled to see him doing Batman.
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Reynar_Tedros Registered: Jul '06	Date Posted: 11/17/06 9:34pm Subject: RE: The Timmverse: The DC Animated Universe Thread
	OBI-BEN-KENOBI posted: I still just don't understand the villain redesign, or why they felt the need to make up new origins for every one. The only thing that I can think of is that we've already seen excellent portrayals of the villains in TAS, and to do the same thing over again in The Batman would be repetitive, and most likely end up worse than before. Hence the reason they shook things up, to give us something new rather than a worse version of something we've already seen. -----signature----- I shook Chuck Norris' hand.
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darth-sinister Title: Manager Emeritus Registered: Jun '01	Date Posted: 12/6/06 10:52am Subject: RE: The Timmverse: The DC Animated Universe Thread
	Figure I mention it here. Lucy Lawless has been cast as Wonder Woman for "New Frontier". -----signature----- Stewie: "Oh, this is an even bigger jackpot than when the Emperor came up with the formula for great Star Wars dialouge." Palpatine: "Something, something, something. Dark side. Something, something, something complete."
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Reynar_Tedros Registered: Jul '06	Date Posted: 12/8/06 11:28pm Subject: RE: The Timmverse: The DC Animated Universe Thread
	No Eisenburg. Interesting. As long as Conroy reprises his role as Bats and Lumbly reprises his role as J'onn, I'm happy. They can get rid of Newbern (that would actually be good), Lamaar, Rosenbaum, and Canals, as long as they keep around those two. -----signature----- I shook Chuck Norris' hand.
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darth-sinister Title: Manager Emeritus Registered: Jun '01	Date Posted: 12/9/06 10:07am Subject: RE: The Timmverse: The DC Animated Universe Thread
	The new DCU animated films have none of the previous cast members involved, since they have nothing to do with these films. These are separate from what we've seen before. I brought it up here, since it was discussed in here previously. -----signature----- Stewie: "Oh, this is an even bigger jackpot than when the Emperor came up with the formula for great Star Wars dialouge." Palpatine: "Something, something, something. Dark side. Something, something, something complete."
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ObiWanCon Registered: Apr '04	Date Posted: 12/9/06 2:30pm Subject: RE: The Timmverse: The DC Animated Universe Thread
	It's a shame they aren't using Kevin Conroy (the same surname as me) because he is simple brilliant and Rosenbaum is great as the Flash but all goods things must come to an end I guess. -----signature----- Dam, I thought that was closer INDIANA JONES IV IS THE GREASTEST THE DARK KNIGHT IS BRILLIANT STAR WARS THE CLONE WARS AUGUST 15TH Member of the Obi Wan Kenobi Fan Club
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ComicDiva Title: FF Romania Public Relations Agent Registered: Oct '04	Date Posted: 12/10/06 12:21am Subject: RE: The Timmverse: The DC Animated Universe Thread
	Kevin Conroy will always be Batman's voice to me, but Rosenbaum is in his early thirties. he could still do Flash if they want to do a Flash movie or even a TV series. He has plenty of rogues. -----signature----- Return of the Jedi (ultra-condensed version) Darth Vader: Luke, come to the dark side. Luke: No. Darth Vader: Your goodness has redeemed me. Die emperor scum! THE END
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darth-sinister Title: Manager Emeritus Registered: Jun '01	Date Posted: 3/4/07 11:46pm Subject: RE: The Timmverse: The DC Animated Universe Thread
	The beginning of the new DCU Animated films. As mentioned before "Superman/Doomsday", "Teen Titans: The Judas Contract" and "Justice League: New Frontier" are set to hit. Bruce Timm is involved, but these are not connected to his previous works. The following is from Newsarama. SUPERMAN DOOMSDAY ORIGINAL ANIMATED FILM ON DVD 9/18/07 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Press Release “Movie is The First Ever Animated Superman Project to Be Rated PG-13” SAN FRANCISCO, CA, March 3, 2007 – Warner Home Video, DC Comics and Warner Bros. Animation are set to release an all-new original movie Superman Doomsday on September 18, 2007. Utilizing the vast history and tradition of DC Comic’s classic comic book stories along with a more provocative and action-packed story line for avid comic fans as well as kids and their parents, Superman Doomsday features the voices of Adam Baldwin (“Independence Day”) as Superman, Anne Heche (“Men in Trees”) as Lois Lane and James Marsters (“Buffy the Vampire Slayer”) as Lex Luthor, and will be available for $19.98. Order due date is August 14, 2007. Produced by Bruce Timm (Justice League Unlimited, Batman: The Animated Series) and written by Duane Capizzi (The Batman, The Batman vs. Dracula), Superman Doomsday is inspired by the best-selling graphic novel of all time, DC Comics’ The Death of Superman. When the intergalactic serial killer Doomsday is unearthed, Superman meets the creature head on in the battle to end all battles. Going punch for punch, Superman finally ends the threat of Doomsday as he throws one last punch and collapses forever – making the ultimate sacrifice to save Metropolis and all those he once loved. Superman Doomsday will be available exclusively on DVD with collectable packaging as well as over 70 minutes of incredible DVD extras including: • “The Clash of the Juggernauts” – A retrospective look at the craze which caught the world by storm. What happens when millions of fans are suddenly subjected to -more- the death of their favorite character? Total mayhem! Going on record about the “Death of Superman” will be Paul Levitz and other DC staff as well as comic book artists throughout the industry. News clippings, reports and first-hand archival testimony from fans will be pieced together in a retrospective way. The featurette will also include a closer look at the dark Superman appearing in “The Return of Superman” graphic novel. • The Artists Playground…From Art to Sound Design in Superman Doomsday – Producer Bruce Timm and his creative team of writers, animators and designers will take us on an exciting journey of character evolution. This documentary will focus on early character concept drawings, final character art, various stages of modeling, storyboards, animatics, layering of colors, voice talent and ultimately final animation. • Justice League: The New Frontier - Sneak peak of the next DC Universe Original Movie • Defeat Doomsday: Battle Challenge - Battle as Superman to defeat Doomsday in this fast-action, dexterity challenge which lets the users relive the epic battle with unique gameplay inter-cut with footage from the movie. • Widescreen (1.78:1) • 5.1 Dolby Digital “We are thrilled to be releasing the first of the DC Universe movies that feature extraordinary talent including Adam Baldwin and Anne Heche, as well as the lauded producer/writer team of Bruce Timm and Duane Capizzi,” said Dorinda Marticorena, WHV Vice President, Kids and Sports Marketing. “With an authentic animation look and feel and a more emotional as well as action-packed storyline, Superman Doomsday will certainly appeal to adult comic book fans and older kids.” Superman Doomsday Marketing Support Superman Doomsday will be supported by a massive media campaign delivering millions of impressions. Marketing support will also include strong promotion support as well as explosive online promotion stunts. Finally, the DVD release of Superman Doomsday will be supported by a network television premiere. DC UNIVERSE ORIGINAL MOVIES DC Comics, Warner Home Video (WHV) and Warner Bros. Animation (WBA) began the production and distribution of “DC Universe,” a series of original, animated PG-13 movies in July 2006. This original made for DVD movie is part of the DC Universe series of animated PG-13 films written and directed by acclaimed comic book creators and animators and featuring recognizable talent. WHV will be the exclusive worldwide home entertainment distributor for all DC Universe movies which will include a slate of 2-3 action-packed films per year. Superman Doomsday is the first DC Universe original animated movie. Other DC properties with films in development include Justice League, Teen Titans, Green Lantern, Flash and Wonder Woman. BASICS Street Date: September 18, 2007 Order Due Date: August 14, 2007 Languages: English, Spanish Subtitles: Spanish Run Time: 75 minutes approx. Aspect Ratio: Widescreen (1.78:1) Audio: 5.1 Dolby Surround Stereo Color / Closed Captioned Rating: PG-13 Superman Doomsday Original Movie Price: $19.98 SRP / No MAP DVD catalog: #74621 Also confirmed voices for "New Frontier". Kyle McLaughlin as Superman, David Boreanez as Green Lantern, Lucy Lawless as Wonder Woman and Brooke Sheilds as Carol Ferris. WONDERCON '07: DC UNIVERSE: SUPERHEROES GO DVD PANEL -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Moderated by Dan Didio, the DC Universe: Super Heroes Go DVD panel opened Saturday evening at WonderCon with the introductions of the two other panelists who would be speaking with Didio: Bruce Timm and Gregory Noveck, Senior VP Creative Affiars of Warner Bros Animation. The panel began with a short question and answer period with Didio, Timm and Noveck, which covered the various backgrounds of the panelists, as well as their respective jobs and how they became involved in the upcoming DC Comics direct to DVD films. When asked about his approach to the DC characters in animation, Timm told Didio that the temptation is to say that WB animation “Marvelized” them, but that’s not quite true. Pointing out that Didio has done much the same in the comics, Timm said that he felt that the animated versions of the characters took them to a classic point, that, in some ways, was reminiscent of Marvel characters of the ‘60s and ‘70s. As he sees it now, Timm said, Marvel and DC are on a very even playing field in terms of their characters. In describing the DVD projects, it was explained that the decision was made to make animated films that would appeal to an older demographic, not just the 6-10 year old age group that the original DC animated projects were aimed at – something that would appeal to teens and adults. “Basically, the same audience that buys DC Comics,” Tim said. Didio pointed out that there’s an undeniable generational aspect of DC characters, and asked Timm and NOveck how they decided which versions of the characters to use in the projects. Noveck admitted that many times, it comes down to personal opinions and tastest of the production team, but he does hear from fans all the time on which versions show be showing up. Timm added that what they’re looking to do with the characters in the films is something like what they’d done in the animated television shows, that is, to distill the most iconic essence of each character into the movie format. Pointing out that with a potential Green Lantern project, the decision would be an easy one – they would use Hal Jordan, given that he was the classic version of the character for years, and has just returned to the forefront of the DC Universe. In the case of someone such as the Flash, Timm admitted, the decision would be a more difficult one, given the now four Flashes, which would open the possibilities of centering on one Flash, or showing all of them in one movie that spanned the generations. “Each character has their own specific challenges,” Timm said. In terms of the connection between the WB Animation versions and DC Comics versions of the characters, Didio asked how much what the comics do in terms of relaunches and revamps influence their plans. “A lot,” Noveck said, pointing to the new Atom character as an example, explaining that somewhere on their boards where they were considering a Ray Palmer Atom project or appearance, they’re not putting the new version of the character into the mix and taking the changes in recent months under consideration. Noveck added that the recent Green Lantern relaunch was very useful in capturing the essence of the character, as well as being able to provide artwork (from Ethan Van Sciver) that could be shown and discussed among the animators for possible use. Hearing that the comics do influence the animated versions of the characters, Didio mused on the synergy between the two divisions of the larger company, noting that occasionally, they’ll take their cues from the animated versions. In this regard, Didio noted that Hawkgirl was brought into the forefront in the animated Justice League, which led DC to feature her more prominently as a character in the comics. Sensing an opening, Didio asked, with all the back and forth between the versions, why Timm isn’t writing for DC. Timm said that they had the same conversation last year, and that as he said last year, he’s still too busy with his animated projects. “Is there anything in particular you’d like to work on?” Didio asked. “…We’ll talk,” Timm responded. At this point, the panel showed the first of two clips from Superman: Doomsday - a segment from the supplemental material which will be included on the DVD that showed interview clips with Sander Schwartz (President of WB Animation), Director Brandon Vietti, Timm, writer Duane Capezzi and others. In the clips, the individuals spoke about the difficulties and challenges of adapting the story into a film, with Timm noting that at its heart, it’s an action-packed violent story, which featured Superman being basically beaten to death. After the clip, Timm said that with the DVD release coming on September 18th, Warner Bros Home Video will be treating it as they would a theatrical release that is debuting on DVD, noting that there will be loads of supplemental material included. Anticipating the question, Timm said that no, the film will not be in continuity with the earlier Superman animated series or Justice League series. The following films: New Frontier and Teen Titans: The Judas Contract will be similarly disconnected from any and all previous animated versions of the characters, with each film designed to be a standalone project set in its own pocket universe. That change, Timm said, allowed them to be able to rethink the characters, as well as recast the voice actors. Timm quickly added that the new voice casts in now suggest any dissatisfaction with the voice casts in any previous shows, but rather, Warner Bros was looking to do everything possible to set these films as their own entities and stories. Playing devil’s advocate, Didio said that DC and Superman fans know how the story of the Superman/Doomsday fight ended, that is, with Superman’s death. “Does the film version end with Superman’s death?” he asked. As an answer, Noveck said that the film honors the tone of the original material, but due to the size of the original story, which involved Superman’s death, the world without a Superman, and the return of the hero, it would have been impossible to include all aspects of the original. As a result, Noveck continued, Timm and Capezzi have added new elements and character elements to make it work as a 72-minute movie. The same approach will be taken on the other upcoming films as well. Timm later noted that, in the original version, there were several existing subplots, including the red-haired Lex Luthor, the protoplasmic Supergirl, and others that were woven through the story and continued both before and after the Death of Superman. Those elements had to be removed, in order to make the movie a discreet story. DC, Timm added, is much more involved in terms of the storycrafting with this movie than they were for any animated series. Considering the differences between the upcoming film and his work on half-hour animated series, Didio asked Timm to explain how the film will be different from a very large episode, to which Timm responded that the production team worked very hard to make the story feel like a PG-13 movie, adding in elements that would never have been permitted in animated series. “It’s nice to have that kind of freedom and at same time have responsibility of not gong overboard with it,” Timm said. Going back to playing devil’s advocate, Didio asked why, of all the Superman stories open to them, why they chose this one, which focuses on the hero’s defeat and death. As Noveck explained, that was the idea – to show this powerful and strong hero the challenge of his life, and see how he overcomes it. “He’s going to be challenged right into the ground,” Timm added. In response to Didio’s question of whether he volunteered or was recruited for the project, Timm admitted that he hadn’t necessarily been looking to tell any more Superman stories, but te idea of telling a new story with a new look and new cast aimed at an older demographic was too much of a temptation for him to pass up. After the first film, Timm said, he’ll be moving into more of an executive producer/advisory capacity on the other projects. Timm also added that he hopes the initial films will be so successful that they can expand the scope of possible projects beyond the obvious A-list heroes, and touch upon some of his favorites, such as Kamadi, Jonah Hex, and the New Gods. The panel then opened up to a Q&A session. Highlights included: Will the characters in the coming Teen Titans: The Judas Contract be more like the George Perez versions than the animated versions? Timm: The script for that film is still being worked on, and they’re hoping it will be the third or fourth movie, but it won’t look like the cartoon versions of the Titans. Noveck: The hope with all the films is that they will stick close to the spirit of the comic material, for example, the upcoming New Frontier film will look very close to Darwyn Cooke’s versions of the characters, something helped along by the fact that Cooke is storyboarding the film. Will the four replacement Supermen appear in the film, specifically, Steel? Noveck: One can always hope. With The Judas Contract, how directly will the Deathstroke/Terra relationship be adapted? Timm: We don’t know quite what we’re going to be able to get away with, but it will be part of the storyline. One of the larger challenges is that that element was done in the cartoon, so the trick will be to stick closer to the comic version of the story, and in that version, part of the story was that nasty subplot between Deathstroke and Terra. Although, she probably won’t be smoking in the film version. If these films are successful, could audiences possibly see the Justice League: Worlds Collide project? Timm: That may happen anyway, and if it does it won’t be under the same banner as these films. There will still be other DC animated projects coming out, in addition to these films. We’re talking about doing a second Teen Titans movie, Worlds Collide, and possibly more. We’re still figuring it all out. Will we ever hear Kevin Conroy as Batman again? Timm – You may. Initially, with these first couple, we’re going in different route, but I can see a time when Kevin might be appropriate for Batman. Will we see new DC animated series? Timm – Maybe someday. Right now, we’re too busy with the movies, but maybe someday. Why not release these films theatrically? Noveck: The direct to DVD releases is not to say that these films won’t go up on screen some day, but the original intent was to make the projects direct to video, make them for a specific audience, and pull these specific stories. Will Lois and Clark be engaged in this one as they were in the comic version? Timm – They’re…involved, and that’s as much as I’ll say. They’re definitely an item. What characters would you like to approach some day in this format? Timm – I really like characters like The Question, and Jonah Hex. I would love to do an animated Weird Western story; but realistically, don’t think there’s a big enough audience for it…yet. Also - New Gods – would like to get in there do wall to wall Kirby spectacular. Also, Kamandi, and Challengers of the Unknown. Who is on the short list of characters for future films? Timm: Aquaman, Wonder Woman, Catwoman. Is there a fourth DVD currently planned after The Judas Contract? Noveck: There are several candidates right now. Timm: There are at least six projects we’re looking at. The panel ended with a one minute clip of finished animation what was cut together by Timm earlier in the week. The brief sample showed many of the storyline’s iconic moments, such as Superman’s cape fluttering in the wind; Superman in his black Kryptonian battlesuit, the Superman memorial, as well as new elements, such as Luthor wielding a gauntlet with Kryptonite crystals on the knuckles. The clip ended with a medium shot of the ground in front of the Superman memorial for one beat, and then, Superman’s fist bursts through the ground. Needless to say, the crowd erupted into applause afterwards. -----signature----- Stewie: "Oh, this is an even bigger jackpot than when the Emperor came up with the formula for great Star Wars dialouge." Palpatine: "Something, something, something. Dark side. Something, something, something complete."
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RolandofGilead Title: Manager Emeritus Registered: Jan '01	Date Posted: 3/5/07 11:41am Subject: RE: The Timmverse: The DC Animated Universe Thread
	I am very excited. -----signature----- Satan's not in a guitar pick, he's inside all of us. In here, in your hearts. He's what makes us not want to go to work, or exercise, or tell the truth. He's that little voice in your mind that says "**** you" to the people you hate.
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