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Or maybe she recognizes Derek may be a Skynet sleeper, and thus tries to kill him- but the otehrs don't realize this, so they think she's gone bad?
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The2ndQuest posted:
Or maybe she recognizes Derek may be a Skynet sleeper, and thus tries to kill him- but the otehrs don't realize this, so they think she's gone bad?
That would be cool! Maybe Derek is a T-1000 or a T-X sent by Skynet to locate the Connors and then relay their location to a second Terminator, which will come and kill them.
As for what was going on in the basement, I the think T-600 was trying to figure out how to grow realistic looking synthetic skin.
We shouldn't forget about The Turk Mk.II, though, Andy Goode's uber-smart chess-playing computer is out there somewhere.
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Chancellor_Ewok posted:
That would be cool! Maybe Derek is a T-1000 or a T-X sent by Skynet to locate the Connors and then relay their location to a second Terminator, which will come and kill them.
I think that they would've figured that out when he got shot. He bled like a human, not a cyborg.
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Obey Wann posted:
Chancellor_Ewok posted:
That would be cool! Maybe Derek is a T-1000 or a T-X sent by Skynet to locate the Connors and then relay their location to a second Terminator, which will come and kill them.
I think that they would've figured that out when he got shot. He bled like a human, not a cyborg.
Would they though? A T-1000 could probably simulate the look and consistency of blood and internal organs, if not their chemical properties.
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Chancellor_Ewok posted:
Would they though? A T-1000 could probably simulate the look and consistency of blood and internal organs, if not their chemical properties.
The T-1000 can't form complex machines or moving parts- just solid metal shapes and liquids. They'd definitely be able to tell if he was a machine during the operation. Besides, the T-1000 was an advanced prototype (too unstable, according to T3), and the T-X was a much later model.
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As for what was going on in the basement, I the think T-600 was trying to figure out how to grow realistic looking synthetic skin.
I don't think that's the case- Skynet had already introduced the T-800 series with the living tissue by this point in time, according to Kyle (the one that attacks the bunker is one as well, presumably).
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1. The T-1000 as we saw when it was shot what it looked like inside. As noted, it could simulate human flesh which allowed it to blend in and travel through time.
2. The Terminator that attacked the camp where Reese was at, in Sarah's dream, was indeed a T-800. They were using dogs to track when an infiltrator unit was used. Because the skin was so perfect, dogs and other methods had to be used to detect them. The novelization for T2 stated that they used color armbands on a week by week basis. If the colors didn't match, you shoot first and ask questions later. The T-X was an advanced endoskeleton with the same mimetic poly-alloy, thus allowing it to shape shift and look and feel completely real.
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darth-sinister posted:
1. The T-1000 as we saw when it was shot what it looked like inside. As noted, it could simulate human flesh which allowed it to blend in and travel through time.
Though it could simulate flesh, I doubt it could simulate the full internal systems of a human, especially during an injury and medical surgery. That would qualify as a complex machine, IMO. If a T-1000 could simulate a full human internal system, I see no reason why it couldn't have formed chemical-less projectile weapons either.
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no comments on this week yet? i'll start. really enjoyed it. got some decent character interaction going on. dekker showed that he's not just a pretty face. loved the freakyness of a terminator dancing ballet. would have been awesome if they could have got the same guy to play dr silverman but the x men guy did good enough. last in season is next week? bummer. just when the show finally felt like it'd finished ironing out the creases.
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Cameron is still, and continues to be, one of the two best things in this show (the other being Headey's characterization of Sarah). A truly interesting character played well by Glau. And she is hot, to boot. I took the FBI guy looking at Sarah in the fire to not be a hallucination. In other words, she pulled him out.
And I hope Derek finally gets to do something. I know he's been shot, and the timeline is pretty tight on these episodes, but still. He's supposed to be one of John's best soldiers, after all. I also liked the expression on Reese's face in the last scene. She's still very machine-like, but that self-will is starting to take seed.
Speaking of timelines:
Since when did the events of T2 take place in June, 1997?
Even James Cameron himself states on the DVD commentary that the film is set in 1995, which is likewise confirmed during the T-1000's "criminal background-check" scene in the police car. Looks like Toni Graphia didn't do her homework, here.
Then again, considering how massively skull****ed the entire timeline has gotten in general since T3 came out...whatever.
Bringing Silberman back was fun (too bad the original actor is retired), but the "control-loss" scene in Pescadero was barely a faint semblance of Hamilton losing it in T2. Why go there? I adore Lena Headey, but she never had a chance to really sell this scene, probably due to the tight shooting-schedule. We've already experienced it to perfection in T2.
That said, Silberman describing the "come with me if you want to live" moment was GREAT...and now he's back in Pescadero. The irony.
Dougie's gonna come help him with his meds, now...
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1. The T-1000 as we saw when it was shot what it looked like inside. As noted, it could simulate human flesh which allowed it to blend in and travel through time.
Though it could simulate flesh, I doubt it could simulate the full internal systems of a human, especially during an injury and medical surgery. That would qualify as a complex machine, IMO. If a T-1000 could simulate a full human internal system, I see no reason why it couldn't have formed chemical-less projectile weapons either.
Eh, I just always figured the "must-be-encased-with-flesh" rule had been fixed with another technological advance in the future.
Eventually, I figured Terminators from the even-MORE-distant-future were going back to warn Terminators of the only-slightly-farther-off-future of an issue that would impact them in the middle-future-in-between.
...Or something.  
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or the T-1000 was sent back in a fleshy encasement it shed after it arrived.
But yeah, they've definitely messed with the timeline setting of T2 for the series, unfortunately. Just have to mentally remove any reference to 1997 and replace it with 1995, outside perhaps the setting of when the series begins.
Also loved Derek's "WTH is going on?" expression at the end with Cambot's ballet (nice that they worked in Summer's skills into the show).
Silverman's portrayal was interesting, though I don't see him trying to kill Dekker.
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The2ndQuest posted:
darth-sinister posted:
1. The T-1000 as we saw when it was shot what it looked like inside. As noted, it could simulate human flesh which allowed it to blend in and travel through time.
Though it could simulate flesh, I doubt it could simulate the full internal systems of a human, especially during an injury and medical surgery. That would qualify as a complex machine, IMO. If a T-1000 could simulate a full human internal system, I see no reason why it couldn't have formed chemical-less projectile weapons either.
Eh, I just always figured the "must-be-encased-with-flesh" rule had been fixed with another technological advance in the future.
Eventually, I figured Terminators from the even-MORE-distant-future were going back to warn Terminators of the only-slightly-farther-off-future of an issue that would impact them in the middle-future-in-between.
...Or something. [/quote]
The internal organs isn't important. A Terminator must have living flesh over a metal endoskeleton. The T-1000 and the T-X can simulate human flesh and were sent at the same time as the T-800. It can feel exactly what we touch on ourselves. The T-1000 could not turn into any form of liquid other than mercury nor any form of gas, because if separated or disapated (sp), it would start to malfunction or shut down. Note how when it's hand was shot off by the T-800, it remained a solid until the T-1000 got close enough to extert its influence over it and summon it back to its body. And as we saw with the M-79 gerenade, it couldn't reassemble itself. The damage was too great, on top of being blown apart earlier. That's why the T-X was created. It combined the best of both worlds and allowed for weapons such as a flame thrower, a plasma canon and a saw.
All of the Terminators, no matter what make and model, have to have flesh. The T-888 known as Cromite only has this as an exception because the producers wanted to replace him with a different actor and ignored continuity which states that nothing metal can go through. Otherwise, logically, its head should've remained with its body. Once the war was over, save for the Terminators being used by the resistance, no other models were in use. When Skynet was shut down, that was it. Only in the expanded universe with possible futures, do we see that in certain timelines, Skynet had second and third failsafes for its conscience.
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The ties to T2 certainly worked for this episode, but I'm hoping this doesn't become a crutch. They've collected the pieces together: the FBI agent investigating them, the ragtag crew, the possible traitor in their midst. It's time to go somewhere and move the story forward.
Cameron may be learning ballet, but she's no where near-human, with human feelings, judging how she indifferently let the Russian girl and her brother die. I loved that contrast, even though I saw both moments coming. Summer Glau was a professional ballerina before she was hired by Joss Whedon to play one on Angel, and it was wonderful to see that grace and poise on display in this episode.
At the same time, leaving the brother and sister to their deaths after obtaining the necessary information is such an inhuman response. The two most horrific details to me were that (A) she earnestly thanked them for their information, even as she left them to die; and (B) the total lack of expression on her face when the screams rang out, and the guns fired.
That's clearly the most interesting moment of the series to date for me. One of the themes that the show is following up from T2 is that the horrors she has faced and knows are potentially to come had hardened Sarah to the point where she was on the edge of having the same sort of amorality the Terminators have.
The past couple of episodes have demonstrated that Derek and Cameron clearly think the same way a lot of the time, but Cameron, ironically, is the one interested in the world around her, even when things aren't necessarily connected to her mission. That's a separate thing from realizing that life has value beyond the fact that killing people attracts attention, and she doesn't seem to be close to that yet.
The2ndQuest posted:
Also loved Derek's "WTH is going on?" expression at the end with Cambot's ballet (nice that they worked in Summer's skills into the show).
Silverman's portrayal was interesting, though I don't see him trying to kill Dekker.
That was my favorite moment of the entire episode. Reese is pretty much a gigantic d***, who (understandably) has an unending hatred of machines. He views them like the BSG folks view the Cylons: "Toasters." I think spying Cameron performing ballet of her own accord, without any mission requirement to, really upended a lot of his assumptions.
As for Silberman, the main reason I liked Davison's portrayal of his character in this episode was because in T2, he was such an arrogant ass that getting shown up by Arnie was such a perfect moment. Seeing him among the Sarah Connor personality-cult was enjoyable.
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I loved the ending too, with Derek watching her. He had the perfect look. Never thought I'd like David Silver from 90210 as Reese, but he's not too bad.
I was kinda of suprised Cameron let those guys kill those two, I was expecting her to beat up the thugs in the hallway as they were coming in. But it totally fits that she ignored them. She stop John from trying to save the girl at school, she wanted to kill Andy, and would probably kill Sarah's former fiance if she had the chance. She's just focused on her mission (whatever that may be).
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I'm kinda torn between the ending, AS Derek watches Cameron doing ballet. I mean it's kinda surreal and funny @ the same time. I don't know if Derek was stunned in disbelief, or just dazed...like what the !&* going on here? It's like imagining Arnold's Terminator tap dancing. So far Glau's Cameron terminator has been set-up as the comic foil in some cases...but is she really a traitor in disguise?
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