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DorkmanScott
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Katana_Geldar posted:
Same here, tee girl. There still will be some good moments though in HBP.
Dumbledore, for instance. You'd have to have a bucket for a head to ruin that.
I would have said the same about Sirius in the last one. 
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Dark_Jedi_Kenobi
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That's a fair point, they really butchered that scene in OOTP. Hopefully Dumbledore's death scene will be portrayed in a more powerful way.
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Radical-Edward
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The_Jesstar posted:
Having the same directer as OotP I'm not too worried about the ruined factor (even though HBP is my fav book) I was fairly impressed with OotP, unlike GoF. 
I was fairly impressed with GoF, unlike OotP. Such a strong book, I'm still amazed that both the screenwriter and the director were able to IMO botch it so badly.
Ahh...the powers of the internet. I've still yet to meet a single person who liked that film, and I've only got the writings of folks on the internets as proof of their existence. My own feelings aside, I'll never forget sitting in the theater on opening night and hearing people all around me whispering "this is so bad" and "this is a really bad movie" through the last hour and a half, as well as seeing the swarm of people leaving the theater with disappointed faces and slumped shoulders, unlike the usual smiles and bounciness you'd see after most kid-friendly movies.
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Qui-Dawn
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*pokes head into thread with an air of tentative curiosity* *promptly and earnestly puts up hand* Well, now, at the very least I can certainly speak for myself here and say that *I* certainly very much enjoyed OOTP, thought it was a perfect adaptation and it effectively conveyed everything it had to, in order to ably serve not only the storyline of OOTP itself but also the greater, overarcing thematic tale of HP as a whole....I've certainly ne'er had the merest whisper of complaint or problem with it, and in fact to this day I still keep OOTP in fairly consistent rotation on my DVD player - and only enjoy and appreciate it still more each and every time, too, I feel it must be said. Aaahhhh, but then, I do also freely and quite gladly, unhesitatingly admit to the fact - shock, gasp! - that in actual fact I *do* love and enjoy each and every single one of the films thus far, and they're all my favourites in a very real and meaningful sense....
....and to me, moreover, at any rate they do also happen to be in every way just as worthwhile and enjoyable as the books themselves, from which they have been adapted; I for one have never seen any reason why one can't in fact greatly appreciate movie and book *both*, instead of ever trying to "compare and contrast" the two differing storytelling forms, because such would hardly seem a fair venture by any means. So-o then, yes, me at least - and even irrespective of the fact that sometimes I *do* wonder if I'm the only one to feel this way, but in truth I simply can't bring myself to believe *that* could ever be true, and it just wouldn't seem right at all, honestly - *I*, then, actually *do* happen to greatly enjoy and sincerely appreciate, and in general do quite love....yes, *all* the HP film adaptations so far. I make no secret of that, and I'll not make excuses for it either, because it certainly doesn't seem something one should ever have to "apologize" for. Hence, I don't.... 
Dawn. (wear it loud and trumpet it proud, then, would if anything likely be my personal take on the matter....  *dives back into fluffy cozy lurkerdom once more*)
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Count_Doodie
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Radical-Edward posted:
Ahh...the powers of the internet. I've still yet to meet a single person who liked that film, and I've only got the writings of folks on the internets as proof of their existence.
now my experience is the exact opposite. in real life i've not met a single person who didnt like (in most cases love) OotP. i've only heard people complain about it online. maybe it's a regional type thing i dont know. me and mine are from southern UK and all the showings i went to were met with positive responses. i work at a cinema so i was at A LOT of showings.
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Vortigern99
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I'm with Qui-Dawn!  I love all the HP movies and books, and perceive they're in different mediums with different dramatic requirements, but as examples of both film and literature they are uniformly excellent, well-crafted, and compelling.
I'm also with Doodie in that everyone I've spoken with about it in person loved OotP (my wife and friends included). I like it more every time I watch it, too -- though I do have one reservation about it. IMO, Sirius' death did not have the impact I felt it should have. This has been a sticking point with me from my first viewing.
However, the more I consider it, given the shocking and morbid climax of HBP, perhaps the filmmakers felt that OotP needed an ending that was less of a downer. Sirius is something of a sidebar character in the movies, a minor-villain-turned-helper in the language of adventure cinema, and maybe it makes sense to make his death unfortunate but not heart breaking. The next death seen in the next movie will be both major and heart breaking.
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DorkmanScott
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I'll be honest, I did like OOTP, but I didn't LOVE it. And the way they handled Sirius' death is just inexcusable. The thing was that I thought OOTP did a really great job of making Harry and Sirius' relationship much more central and powerful, so to then totally botch the death scene is even worse.
I liked the film as a whole, but given that that is arguably the most important part of Book 5, it's maddening that they treated it with so little care.
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I have to agree with Dorkman, I thought that they way Sirius's death was handled was not good at all. I felt that they just brushed over it as if it had no impact on Harry.
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It's the one issue I have with the film, but I'm begining to understand the reasons the filmmakers chose to do it the way they did. For the moviegoing public, the decision to end two consecutive films with the deaths of two major characters that both have enormous impact on Harry and the milieu of the movies would simply be too much. I understand they're going with a more lighthearted tone with the first half of HBP, because frankly this is their last opportunity to do so -- to let loose and have fun with Harry and his world. We have very little else but doom and gloom and utter seriousness from here on out, a marked contrast from how the series started. So by giving Sirius' death short shrift, by diminishing Harry's enraged response to it, the tone of fun and frivolity that we've been missing since the middle portions of GoF can reassert themselves into the first half of HBP -- before everything goes to hell again untitl the climax of the eighth film.
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Vortigern99 posted:
It's the one issue I have with the film, but I'm begining to understand the reasons the filmmakers chose to do it the way they did. For the moviegoing public, the decision to end two consecutive films with the deaths of two major characters that both have enormous impact on Harry and the milieu of the movies would simply be too much. I understand they're going with a more lighthearted tone with the first half of HBP, because frankly this is their last opportunity to do so -- to let loose and have fun with Harry and his world. We have very little else but doom and gloom and utter seriousness from here on out, a marked contrast from how the series started. So by giving Sirius' death short shrift, by diminishing Harry's enraged response to it, the tone of fun and frivolity that we've been missing since the middle portions of GoF can reassert themselves into the first half of HBP -- before everything goes to hell again untitl the climax of the eighth film.
Honestly, that pisses me off. That totally goes against the entire arc of the story. Voldermort's back! The whole POINT is that the fun and frivolity is OVER. It's SUPPOSED to raise the stakes and make the world a darker, more dangerous place.
If the filmmakers don't have the guts to tell the story the way it needs to be told, if they don't have the guts to go for the maximum impact, then what is one of the greatest triumphs of modern literature may end up one of the greatest failures of modern cinema.
Cuaron would have gone for the uncompromising storytelling. Yates had better grow a pair and follow suit.
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Vortigern99 posted:
It's the one issue I have with the film, but I'm begining to understand the reasons the filmmakers chose to do it the way they did. For the moviegoing public, the decision to end two consecutive films with the deaths of two major characters that both have enormous impact on Harry and the milieu of the movies would simply be too much. I understand they're going with a more lighthearted tone with the first half of HBP, because frankly this is their last opportunity to do so -- to let loose and have fun with Harry and his world. We have very little else but doom and gloom and utter seriousness from here on out, a marked contrast from how the series started. So by giving Sirius' death short shrift, by diminishing Harry's enraged response to it, the tone of fun and frivolity that we've been missing since the middle portions of GoF can reassert themselves into the first half of HBP -- before everything goes to hell again untitl the climax of the eighth film.
But that's just it. When Cedric Diggory died and Voldermort came back it was the end of fun. Harry has changed since then and to make it like the first film and have it light hearted even for the first half is out of character for Harry. The films should be getting darker and darker. Not the other way around or a hit a miss.
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Vortigern99
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Diggory's death and the return of Voldemort certainly aren't the "end of fun" in the books! I read the last three books, even DH, grinning to myself -- because Harry Potter is fun. Hogwarts's is an island unto itself, separated from (though inextricably bound up in) all of the darkness and terror that's going on in the outside worlds, magical and muggle. Harry's struggle with potions in HBP, his discovery of the Prince's notes, Slughorn's meetings, even the trips back in time to view Riddle's past, are entertaining and funny. This call for all-encompassing darkness and morbidity, and the quashing of all humor and light-heartedness, in the final films is not true either to the spirit of the books nor to the tone of the film series.
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DorkmanScott
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No one said anything about "quashing all humor and light-heartedness". But to gut one of the most important events in the entire series -- the loss of Sirius -- in order to keep things "light" is a much worse offense. It is the fact that Harry is able to keep his humor and good-heartedness, and not let the darkness crush him, that makes him heroic. To reduce the impact of the horrors he experiences is to reduce his triumph in overcoming them.
Things get bad. Things get awful. Just because there are still things to laugh about doesn't mean that it's a lighthearted world anymore. Voldemort's return is a turning point in Harry's life, from innocence to experience. It's a story about growing up, where things aren't always black and white and the good guys aren't guaranteed to win anymore, and even in winning will likely suffer heavy losses. But no matter how bad it gets, the good guys can't give up, because there's always hope.
If the film series is unwilling to make those statements, if it's going to soften the blows and make the wins "easier" or "lighter", then it is going against the spirit, theme, tone -- I would argue the whole POINT -- of the story.
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Vortigern99
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Those are all excellent points, particularly about Harry's heroic efforts at maintaining his positive outlook in the face of darkness and death. I suspect that along those lines, the more light-hearted moments in HBP will balance out the story's dark and morbid climax and denouement. I don't think there's any doubt that the filmmakers will be true to the material. Ultimately Sirius was a less important character in the films than he is in the books, and the glossing over of his death -- or rather of Harry's reaction to it -- is unfortunate but understandable IMO.
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The problem for HBP is that Yates is directing the film. He completely dropped the ball with OotP, imo, and nothing indicates that he finally "gets" the HP-verse this time around.
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