Vortigern99 posted:

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The problems with OotP lie in the screenplay, not the execution. It's the best-acted film so far, and the staging and editing are brilliant IMO. With Kloves returning to the script, HBP will certainly be a masterpiece.

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Vortigern99 posted:

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I know this is still a sticking point for some fans. But I noted that Harry gets boiling mad at the moment of Sirius' murder -- angry at Bellatrix whom he crucio curses. This anger seemingly allows Voldemort to enter his head, but Harry later defeats this possession by imagining all his friends and loved ones, including a living Sirius. (I believe these are all events unique to the film, and IMO they work really well.) Later, at the denouement, Harry is sad rather than mad, and Dumbledore is immediately apologetic; there just isn't any room in the film for Harry to smash things and scream at Dumbledore. Love saved him at the climax; it would seem foolish and immature to get angry now. Harry's accepting of Luna's outreach leads into the positive ending, in which Harry reiterates what Sirius inspired in him, and what his friends have been telling him all along: that they have to stand up and fight for what's important.

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Order of the Phoenix, Page 816 posted:

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"If death is nothing, Dumbledore, kill the boy…"
Let the pain stop, thought Harry. Let him kill us…End it, Dumbledore…Death is nothing compared to this…
And I'll see Sirius again…
And as Harry's heart filled with emotion, the creature's coils loosened, the pain was gone, Harry was lying facedown on the floor, his glasses gone, shivering as though he lay upon ice, not wood…

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NateCaauwe posted:

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I think Harry driving Voldemort out of his mind unintentionally was better.

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Vortigern99 posted:

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...if I didn't know there was stuff missing I simply wouldn't miss it. The plot covers all the necessary bases...Also, what I initially perceived as short shrift to Sirius Black's death felt just right to me this time.

But I noted that Harry gets boiling mad at the moment of Sirius' murder -- angry at Bellatrix whom he crucio curses. This anger seemingly allows Voldemort to enter his head, but Harry later defeats this possession by imagining all his friends and loved ones, including a living Sirius. (I believe these are all events unique to the film, and IMO they work really well.) Later, at the denouement, Harry is sad rather than mad, and Dumbledore is immediately apologetic; there just isn't any room in the film for Harry to smash things and scream at Dumbledore. Love saved him at the climax; it would seem foolish and immature to get angry now....
To conclude, the tone and pacing of the movie allow for brief anger which proves to be the wrong choice for Harry, followed by sadness, and resolved via friendly outreach and hope for the future. All in all a fine fantasy film.

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NateCaauwe posted:

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[from JKR's book] "And as Harry's heart filled with emotion, the creature's coils loosened, the pain was gone, Harry was lying facedown on the floor, his glasses gone, shivering as though he lay upon ice, not wood…"

... [T]hey screwed themselves out of a brilliant venting scene (Harry's "Look at me!" earlier in the film made me excited to see him go all out later) by screwing up the possession scene... at least in my opinion.[/

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NateCaauwe posted:

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Although I think it comes down to the differences between film and written word. In a book, you can leave out any mention of a subplot and bring it up much much later and it's still relevant ... whereas in a movie, the audience sorta needs to be reminded what characters are feeling or what's going on....

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NateCaauwe posted:

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I still feel we've been ridiculously cheated out of fascinating explanations from Dumbledore two movies in a row now. GoF we just got him staring into space going "Priori Incantatem…" and OotP gave us what everyone always knew anyway: that Harry and Voldemort have to fight it out in the end. The Lost Prophecy is one of my favorite chapters of all the books, and to see them literally throw everything but a few words out the window prompted an audible "WHAT THE ****?!" from me at the midnight showing.

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NateCaauwe posted:

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They screwed themselves out of a brilliant venting scene (Harry's "Look at me!" earlier in the film made me excited to see him go all out later) by screwing up the possession scene…at least in my opinion.

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Vortigern99 posted:

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This is certain to be a quality production, and the flagship of the HP films.

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Count_Doodie posted:

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NateCaauwe posted:

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I think Harry driving Voldemort out of his mind unintentionally was better.

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gotto disagree. i really liked the way that the movie had harry step up at that point. instead of having him become a subject of his surroundings like in the book, the films showed him act of his own accord. it shows a bit of growth for the character who earlier in the film (and book) told everyone that most of his triumphs were just luck. it was an aspect that i missed in the book. in GoF harry stands up and faces voldemort and in OotP (book) i wanted him to go one step further. perhaps that was me wanting harry to grow up a little faster than JKR had him do. none of us can deny that by book 7 harry is all about stepping up as it were, and i dont mind that the film makers have him reach that point a little earlier.

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NateCaauwe posted:

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[quote=Count_Doodie][quote=NateCaauwe]A little earlier? We're three movies too soon. His triumph over Voldemort in OotP was luck, just as before, and by the end of the film, Harry has everything figured out except for Horcruxes. What does he have left to learn about himself over HBP and DH?

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NateCaauwe posted:

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A little earlier? We're three movies too soon. His triumph over Voldemort in OotP was luck, just as before, and by the end of the film, Harry has everything figured out except for Horcruxes. What does he have left to learn about himself over HBP and DH?

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