DorkmanScott posted:My issue with the OOTP movie vs the book is actually perfectly applicable to a discussion of HBP, because many of the changes they made have a DIRECT effect on HBP and, more importantly, Deathly Hallows. For example, nary a mention of Regulus Black? Who is widely presumed to be the RAB who stole the medallion Horcrux? No reference to Aunt Petunia's deeper-than-we-thought ties to the world of the wizards? Kreacher is reduced to just being small and grumpy, not dangerous, racist and hateful? And that's just in the first hundred pages of re-reading OOTP. Not to mention the utter lack of any scenes between Dumbledore and Harry. When Dumbledore told Harry "I'm sorry I've been ignoring you" my roommate said "He has?" Everything moved so quickly from scene to scene it was impossible to get a sense of anything. It feels like Snape and Harry only practice Occlumency for, like, an evening or two, not several months. The two most important characters in the next film -- Snape and Dumbledore -- were reduced to day players in this one, and this was where they really needed to be developed. I have to say I don't have a good feeling about HBP the more I think about it. The other directors had a theme they followed to give their movies structure. Cuaron's was "coming of age". Newell decided Goblet was a "thriller". Yates' theme was apparently "The events of Harry's fifth year" which, as we all know, is not a theme at all. I just hope HBP gains more focus. OOTP was just a series of scenes and character actions that were in their because they "had" to be there, either for the sake bridging GOF and HBP, or for the sake of fanwankery (neither Luna nor Cho had the depth of their book counterparts; the movie would have been pretty much the same if you'd excised them completely, they were only there because the fans wanted them).
Darth-Ghost posted:-Kreacher IS shown to be mean, I remember him saying something about mudbloods when Sirius kicks him out of the tapestry room
Darth-Ghost posted:-Snape was in it where necessary, I thought. This isn't his story, HBP is.
Darth-Ghost posted:-There is supposed to be hardly any Dumbledore in this movie, my younger cousins all got the right feeling that Harry was being ignored
Darth-Ghost posted:-Everybody I talked to thought Luna was great, I thought she was perfect too
Darth-Ghost posted:-I think the movie had a theme. Of Harry feeling secluded and alone, and then bringing himself back with his friends and into starting Dumbledore's Army, which is then broken up again, but Harry lets his friends go with him to the Ministry. It's about how they were all in this together.
DorkmanScott posted:There was more to it than that. Kreacher was the reason Harry rushed off to the Ministry, because he lied about Sirius. That's a big change to the arc of the whole thing (as I mention below) to just mumbling a dirty word in one scene.
DorkmanScott posted:Have your younger cousins read the books?
DorkmanScott posted:She nailed the character, but the character's purpose in the book was completely eliminated in the movie. She was just there, she didn't have a real point to her.
Spiderfan posted:Sorry I think I missed something. How was Kreacher's involvement in Harry rushing tot he ministry really that important?
Spiderfan posted:DorkmanScott posted:Have your younger cousins read the books? If they understood clearly within the movie that Dumbledore was ignoring Harry, how is it relevant if they read the books? I thought the issue was that the movie didn't illustrate that Dumbledore was ignoring Harry. If they managed to figure that out I would think the film succeeded.
Spiderfan posted:DorkmanScott posted:She nailed the character, but the character's purpose in the book was completely eliminated in the movie. She was just there, she didn't have a real point to her. Wasn't she the one who explained to Harry who the Thestrals were and suggested they ride them to the ministry?
Spiderfan posted:And I still don't understand why they put in Grawp.
DorkmanScott posted:Spiderfan posted:Sorry I think I missed something. How was Kreacher's involvement in Harry rushing tot he ministry really that important? Well, maybe it wasn't. To me, it was "evidence" that all Harry's worst fears had come to pass. There was no real reason for him to have to rush off as it was, it was only the confirmation that Sirius was, in fact, not at Grimmauld Place that really pushed him over the edge. Spiderfan posted:DorkmanScott posted:Have your younger cousins read the books? If they understood clearly within the movie that Dumbledore was ignoring Harry, how is it relevant if they read the books? I thought the issue was that the movie didn't illustrate that Dumbledore was ignoring Harry. If they managed to figure that out I would think the film succeeded. If they have read the books, then that could mean that it WASN'T, in fact, clearly illustrated within the movie, and the only reason they understood what was happening was because they understood what the situation was supposed to be, having read the books. Spiderfan posted:DorkmanScott posted:She nailed the character, but the character's purpose in the book was completely eliminated in the movie. She was just there, she didn't have a real point to her. Wasn't she the one who explained to Harry who the Thestrals were and suggested they ride them to the ministry? She did, but that wasn't wholly necessary. They could have stolen Quidditch brooms or something if they had to. I'm saying there was so much to her character -- and, come to that, to the Thestrals, who Neville could also see -- that was boiled down to "Hey, she's weird. Those horse things are weird too." Speaking of Neville, that was a MAJOR loss, the clarification that Harry and Neville were, according to the prophecy, interchangable, and that the saga could have been about Neville. You barely get to see Neville stand up for himself, when in the book you really start to get the sense that, if he'd lived Harry's life, he could have become the same person Harry has become. Spiderfan posted:And I still don't understand why they put in Grawp. I can't remember, but was it made clear in the GOF film that Hagrid was half-Giant? If not, having his brother -- a full-giant -- show up would get the point across.
timmoishere posted:Well, if Grawp wasn't in OOTP, then there wouldn't have been anything for Hagrid to do in the film. It'll be interesting to see how the film makers shoehorn him into HBP, because Hagrid's role there is even less than OOTP's. I have a feeling that Aragog's funeral will be cut from the film, and that was Hagrid's only real contribution to the HBP novel.
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