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Vortigern99
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So they're multi-national. *shrug* I've been a fan of GI Joe since the early 70s, and oddly enough, this doesn't bother me. I think it's actually kind of forward thinking and globally inclusive... if it even proves correct.
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Panther50
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Yeah I'm not really bothered about thier nationality, but most of the team should probably be American just for traditions sake.
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Vortigern99
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Although it is weird that Baroness is now American, when she was German before -- right? And how can Hawk be British -- isn't Dennis Quaid playing Hawk? Why would the filmmakers hire an all-American guy like Quaid and cast him as a Brit? I think this so-called "reliable person" at the above-linked site just miiight be pulling our collective leg.
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Panther50
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Yeah I'm pretty sure Hawks an American, all the pictures I've seen he appeared wearing an American uniform.
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Vortigern99
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^ ^ ... which totally invalidates this supposed "reliable" source.
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loki41872 posted:
Dig around for the info. It's out there. A reliable person on hisstank.com did a script review a month or so ago, and according to the site moderators and the vets on that site he DOES have contacts with Paramount.
No, the Pit isn't in Brussels anymore. It's in Egypt.
Hawk is British
Scarlett is Australian
Snake Eyes is FRENCH
Storm Shadow is Korean, and a "throw-away" character, like Maul in TPM
The Baroness is American
And Cobra Commander is an ex-U.S. Soldier with a grudge against Duke.
Cobra isn't in the movie. It's Destro and MARS, with Cobra Commander in a "Background" role. Think Palpatine in TPM.
Here's a link to the heated discussion on hisstank. Warning, some bad language!
http://www.hisstank.com/forum/showthread.php?t=7723
So I spent a little time reading through the above-linked thread. What loki41872 neglects to mention is that the reviewed script is a draft version, written prior to Larry Hama's involvement in the project. Since Hama created Snake Eyes and Storm Shadow, among many other Joe characters, I sincerely doubt he will allow those characters to be re-cast as French. And saying "Cobra isn't in the movie" when Destro, Cobra Commander, Zartan and Baroness are the villains is like saying there are no Sith in The Empire Strikes Back.
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loki41872
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Hawk is wearing a U.S. Military uniform? In what picture?
This one?
This is not a uniform currently worn by ANY of or branches.
It's close to U.S. Army Dress Blues, but not quite.
Larry Hama? He was on set for HALF OF ONE DAY. In an interview posted on the web the day after his set visit, many people remarked that he looked drunk or confused. We finally decided that he was trying to figure out how to describe his experience on-set without loosing the check they wrote him to get his "blessing".
There are at least 2 people on hisstank that are known to work for Hasbro. How is it known? Cause they've done panels at the G.I. Joe convention and can verify who they are. They say the toys and packaging that Hasbro is working on right now for the spring release of the movie toys next year agrees with the script. AICN posted a synopsis of this same script that was removed by request of Paramount.
No Cobra in the movie, yes it's true. The villian is Destro and his MARS forces. The Baroness, Storm Shadow and Zartan all work for Destro, not Cobra Commander. Cobra Commander is only called that because calling him "The Evil Doctor" is stupid. By the end of the movie, CC has taken control of Destro and his forces and will apparently re-name the whole thing Cobra for part 2.
If there is one.
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Koohii
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Sorry, but I remember huge, GAPING holes and plot idocies in the latter 2 PotC movies. Things that just
did
not
make
sense.
So, with Davey Jones dead, is it now Bill Turner's locker?
Pirates are criminal scum. Always have been. Closest thing you could find to them being "good guys" is if one of them was honorable criminal scum. Letters of Marque were briefly discussed, but not in depth. Thus, people aspiring to be Pirates doesn't make a lot of sense.
the waterwheel battle was just stupid
Let's see... on the one side, we have over a thousand ships, lead by the supreme supernatural bad___ vessel. On the other side, we have less than 100 ships. What happens? One ship from each side goes forward. That's it. Just one. OK, so the supreme supernatural freakshow goes down. The ship that took it out is also going down. So... why do the 1000+ships turn & run? Why not wipe the silly pirates out while they're assembled in one place? Why?... Um...
Yeah.
And the whole bit about becoming part of the ship almost made sense, until they turned around & changed the rules.
And the sword-fighting <wince>. Boy, you can sure tell that Bob Anderson wasn't helping them out anymore.
So, no, I can't aggree that the three movies are well integrated and consisantly logical. My understanding is that the DVD commentary has the writers and director pretty much saying the same things: "We put this together on the fly. We had no idea what we were going to do. We had no idea what we were doing."
But enough of that--it belongs in the PotC thread.
Uh, the nationalities themselves aren't a problem. Where they've chosen to assign them is.
Barroness should be Eastern European (Hungary, Austria, Germany, balkans...)
Snake eyes vow of silence??? That's NOT why he doesn't talk.
StormShadow is supposed to be Japanese-American. Korea is not famous for Ninja.
Quick-Kick could be Korean.
Have to go with Cobra Commander being a disgruntled used car salesman who followed the KKK/Dewey Long path to glory & power. Much better than the mad scientist in the basement or the freak alien monster from the Caucauses.
In Europe (and I presume elsewhere), G.I.Joe was marketed as "Action Force" with modified nationalities. Don't know what all of them were.
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I agree on the fleet battle, actually. The waterwheel was really, really fun, though!
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Panther50
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Yeah I thought that final seabattle in POTC was a big disappointment, hopefully the writers have learned thier lessons.
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Vortigern99
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loki41872 posted:
Hawk is wearing a U.S. Military uniform? In what picture?
This one?
This is not a uniform currently worn by ANY of or branches.
It's close to U.S. Army Dress Blues, but not quite.
It certainly evokes the US Military uniform, even if it doesn't belong to any specific branch but is more of an amalgamation. In any case it defintely isn't British, and neither is Quaid. The day he effects an English accent to play a military leader wearing that outfit is the day I enroll in the Marines.
loki41872 posted:
Larry Hama? He was on set for HALF OF ONE DAY. In an interview posted on the web the day after his set visit, many people remarked that he looked drunk or confused. We finally decided that he was trying to figure out how to describe his experience on-set without loosing the check they wrote him to get his "blessing".
Not all screenwriting partners or creative consultants -- which I understand is the capacity Hama has been hired to serve in -- visit or are even allowed on set. For example, Lawrence Kasdan, who wrote the final screenplays of ESB, ROTJ and Raiders of the Lost Ark, never visited the set of any of those films. That Hama came to the GI Joe set for a few hours of one day is no indication of his lack of involvement in the writing process.
loki41872 posted:
There are at least 2 people on hisstank that are known to work for Hasbro. How is it known? Cause they've done panels at the G.I. Joe convention and can verify who they are. They say the toys and packaging that Hasbro is working on right now for the spring release of the movie toys next year agrees with the script. AICN posted a synopsis of this same script that was removed by request of Paramount.
Okay, but with a year to go changes could easily be made to the character backstories printed on the backs of the cards, reverting to their Hama-authored origins.
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No Cobra in the movie, yes it's true. The villian is Destro and his MARS forces. The Baroness, Storm Shadow and Zartan all work for Destro, not Cobra Commander. Cobra Commander is only called that because calling him "The Evil Doctor" is stupid. By the end of the movie, CC has taken control of Destro and his forces and will apparently re-name the whole thing Cobra for part 2.
Great, so the film establishes Cobra's origins. This is a far cry from your earlier assertion that "Cobra is not in the movie", to which I objected.
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Chancellor_Ewok posted:
whisperjedi posted:
Does anyone know who's writing it?
Chancellor_Ewok posted:
I think we're in safe hands. The writers are Skip Woods and Stuart Beattie. Between them, they've written Swordfish, Hitman and the POTC Trilogy.
Having Hama as creative consultant instills some confidence, Skip Woods & Stuart Beattie....Swordfish.
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I wish I could have your positive outlook for this movie, Vortigern, but everything I've seen and read so far doesn't give me much hope.
All indications are:
Hama did no such thing as consult. He has brought in to look around, get a check, and tell the world how much we were gonna loooove this movie.
They are three-fourths of the way through filming. It's too late to change much. And set-spies (We had those for the Prequels, remember?) say that they ARE filming that script. Changing something on the back of a filecard does nothing to change Dennis Quaid trying to pull off an English accent.
I hope I'm wrong, but this thing just screams "Godzilla '98".
We shall see. Spoilers should soon start hitting all over the net. They aren't really keeping a tight lid on this thing. Reportedly people can wander on and off the set like it's a Denny's buffet.
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loki41872 posted:
They aren't really keeping a tight lid on this thing. Reportedly people can wander on and off the set like it's a Denny's buffet.
Really? I guess that's why Paramount was so fast to issue C&D orders to folks posting the newest pictures and to Latino Review with they review of the SHOOTING script rather than an 18-month old script that was completely re-written...
...Yup....guess Paramount has no cares what's out there.....
BTW, I read that review before Latino Review had to take it down, and it was absolutely NOTHING like those earlier drafts. The review gave detailed - as it, nearly-shot-by-shot detail - of the first act of the film, and it comes across as exciting, action-packed, and....well, good!
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Vortigern99
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loki41872 posted:
I wish I could have your positive outlook for this movie, Vortigern, but everything I've seen and read so far doesn't give me much hope.
But you're reading limited-access and limited-data reports that seem to share an Internet "bash" metality with little or no foundation in actual reality. See the above post by JediWampa.
loki41872 posted:
All indications are:
Hama did no such thing as consult. He has brought in to look around, get a check, and tell the world how much we were gonna loooove this movie.
You obviously don't know who Hama is. He's a gifted creator and a man of deep integrity. As I have come to understand his character after following his writings for almost thirty years, he is not the kind of man who would take a bundle of money to compromise his own work, nor to convince his legions of fans of something that he does not personally believe to be true.
loki41872 posted:
They are three-fourths of the way through filming. It's too late to change much. And set-spies (We had those for the Prequels, remember?) say that they ARE filming that script. Changing something on the back of a filecard does nothing to change Dennis Quaid trying to pull off an English accent.
I doubt that "set spies" are able to report actual lines of dialogue and make informed comments about characters' origins and backstories. Typically, action-movie dialogue is recorded in looping, a post-production process. Also see JediWampa's post, above. Your cynicism, your readiness to believe the worst about human nature and your fear of imminent failings in matters of both integrity and the artistic process are out of step with the basic tenets of the GI Joe universe. The movie may tank, certainly, but IMO it will do so for entirely different reasons than those you list.
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