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Panther50
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4/18 4:44pm
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Yeah but we have to remember these are supposed to elite troops, they would get way better equipment then regular troops.
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Chancellor_Ewok
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4/18 4:49pm
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Panther50 posted:
Yeah but we have to remember these are supposed to elite troops, they would get way better equipment then regular troops.
Not to mention much more specialized training...
The Joes are supposed to be the very best of the very best. That probably makes them at least as good as Navy Seals, if not considerably better...
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Kenobi_Kid
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Darth_Maul_Sith_Lord posted:
There's no way the US Government would ever spend that kind of money on "cool new outfits" for their soldiers... It doesn't make any sense from a budgetary perspective....
I'm pretty sure a lot of stuff the US Government doesn't make sense from a budgetary perspective. 
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You've got to pay attention to how the military spends money, just look at where the advances have been... Weaponry... not armor and fancy attire.
Funny, last time I looked, the body armor was new (M69, then RBA, then SPEAR, then Interceptor OTV, and now the IOTV and Spartan), but US troops were still toting the same 1950s vintage Eugene Stoner-derived assault rifle, mounting the same WWII-era M2 .50 cal machine guns on their humvees...
Darth_Maul_Sith_Lord posted:
See they release articles like that every 10-15 years or so, because the technology is out there and people are always curios how close the "Star Wars/Starship Troopers" future we are.
Computer battle maps, infrared and thermal "snooper scopes", night vision, increasing focus on small, highly-trained units over massed formations, conscription done away with in favor of an all-volunteer force... all we need now is the powered armor and you can basically say hello to Robert Heinlein's Mobile Infantry.
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Chancellor_Ewok
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Kenobi_Kid posted:
Computer battle maps, infrared and thermal "snooper scopes", night vision, increasing focus on small, highly-trained units over massed formations, conscription done away with in favor of an all-volunteer force... all we need now is the powered armor and you can basically say hello to Robert Heinlein's Mobile Infantry.
Agreed. There are even steps being taken towards that. Once power armour becomes standard issue, all we'll need is the massive starships. 
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Darth_Maul_Sith_Lord
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Ok whatever... You ask our fine troops what they have over there and then come talk to me. Yes, the technology and weaponry is getting better, but you have to understand that putting a soldier in big heavy armor and goofy helmets doesn't help them when their humpin' it out it the field, it hurts 'em. You also don't want to put them in big helmets that might impare their peripheral vision. I guess I could see using some of the items for for a particular op, light night vision, but nothing like that.
If you pay attention to that article it specifically talks about the difference between what is possible and what is being used. The crap in that picture is not being used. That's not to say it doesn't exist, but it ain't bein used. And no, they don't dress our troops or elite whatevers like friggin X-men.... Because leather padding and plastic armor doesn't really do the trick against bullets and grenades. Elite forces dress very much like the squad that invades the X-Mansion in X2.
And Body armor isn't really a new development... Kevlar, what's typically used, has been around since 1965... Unless of course you mean steel plates, wich have been around since the medieval ages.
These outfits are just Hollywood make believe and that's cool, I just wish they'd have stuck to the original look.
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Quiet_Mandalorian
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Darth_Maul_Sith_Lord posted:
Ok whatever... You ask our fine troops what they have over there and then come talk to me. Yes, the technology and weaponry is getting better, but you have to understand that putting a soldier in big heavy armor and goofy helmets doesn't help them when their humpin' it out it the field, it hurts 'em.
That's what the armoured exoskeletons are for.
Darth_Maul_Sith_Lord posted:
You also don't want to put them in big helmets that might impare their peripheral vision.
Unless, of course, said "big helmet" actually aids their peripheral vision.
Darth_Maul_Sith_Lord posted:
If you pay attention to that article it specifically talks about the difference between what is possible and what is being used. The crap in that picture is not being used. That's not to say it doesn't exist, but it ain't bein used.
Yes, and...?
Seriously, I'm pretty sure we're all aware that that particular Future Warrior concept suit is only a mock-up meant to demonstrate what the ideal future soldier might look like.
Darth_Maul_Sith_Lord posted:
And no, they don't dress our troops or elite whatevers like friggin X-men.... Because leather padding and plastic armor doesn't really do the trick against bullets and grenades.
The thing is, if ever and whenever this concept actually becomes reality (as in the future depicted in the G.I. Joe movie), it's not going to be "leather padding and plastic armour", but rather liquid reactive armour and advanced ballistic polymers.
Darth_Maul_Sith_Lord posted:
Elite forces dress very much like the squad that invades the X-Mansion in X2.
Again, I'm pretty sure we're all aware of what real-world, contemporary troops look like, but G.I. Joe: A Real American Hero has always been set "somewhere in the near future" in terms of military technology, hence the strength-enhancing armoursuits.
Darth_Maul_Sith_Lord posted:
And Body armor isn't really a new development...
Did anyone say it was? No, the point is not that the concept of body armour in general is a new development, but rather that the types of body armour that continue to be introduced into service most definitely are.
Darth_Maul_Sith_Lord posted:
Kevlar, what's typically used, has been around since 1965... Unless of course you mean steel plates, wich have been around since the medieval ages.
Actually, they've been around a good deal longer than that. They fell out of use after the Fall of Rome, came back into use when Medieval Europe reached a level of technological sophistication that enabled production of it, gradually decreased in use again until disappearing almost completely in the 19th century, saw a resurgence in use amongst German trench raider units in the First World War, fell out of use again, and showed up again amongst some Soviet ground units in traditional steel vest form and among USAAF bomber crews in the form of padded "flack jackets", and finally appeared in the nylon body armour vests worn by US troops in Vietnam, before being replaced completely by the all-Kevlar PASGT, which was in turn replaced by the Interceptor Outer Tactical Vest system in 2003, which introduced the use of ceramic Small Arms Protective Insert plates, and is itself in the process of being replaced by the Improved Outer Tactical Vest for the Army, and the Modular Tactical Vest for the Marines (which are themselves only intermediary designs as more advanced armours are developed), while Special Operations Forces may prefer to wear alternate armour systems such as Eagle Industries' CIRAS, the Paraclete RAV, or any of the wide range of commercially-available SAPI plate carriers worn over a Kevlar ballistic vest.
Darth_Maul_Sith_Lord posted:
These outfits are just Hollywood make believe and that's cool, I just wish they'd have stuck to the original look.
Yeah, 'cause Duke's pristine khaki dress shirt is just the height of military cool.  
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Gobi-1
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4/19 11:40pm
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I have no problems with the black costume. We've already been through this with X-Men. As long as the characters are good then the costumes will be a non-issue.
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Scarlet Nice.
I see Stormshadow and Baroness here too.
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4/22 2:43pm
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Writers' previous credits: Swordfish (mediocre--does have the ironic line by Travolta about bad movies, but otherwise not noteworthy), Hitman (again, not really impressive), and PotC trilogy (OK, the first one was good because they'd been working on it for years, but the other two were awful because they didn't know what they were doing, they'd been pressed into doing them on very little notice, and it all shows). Now, given that they haven't been developing the script for years, I doubt this will be any prize.
If you remember, the first wave of G.I.Joe were uniforms. There were 5 patterns for 11 figures: Rock&Roll with the bandaliers, Scarlet as the only female, Flash & GrandSlam with the laser padds, short fuse & Zap with artillery harness, and everyone else had the same suspenders with grenages & knives. Slalker was the same with a cammo pattern, while snake-eyes was all black. OK, Breaker and Clutch had short sleeves, but otherwise the same.
It wasn't until wave 2 that the silliness started, and wave 3 when any idea of military uniform was almost dismissed. That was also about when Cobra stopped using real vehicles and relied entirely on fantasy crap.
As for the movie costumes, eh. Very modern comic-booky movie flick. What they would be for elite troops: exactly the same as normal troops, except they'd have access to all the latest toys on demand, including experimental equipment. They'd even have access to stuff that doesn't officially exist.
How tough are GIJoe's elite standards: They don't take all the Navey SEALs who apply--only about 3 of them. Their training requirements include having to watch drivers' ed movies for days on end without falling asleep, doing recon for the real team, and other tests of endurance on top of all the specialized training in their individual fields.
Not people to be taken lightly. At least lvl4 if not 5 (see article "Aragorn was only 5th level).
So, it this going to be a good movie? Well, there's a remote possiblility, but don't count on it. At least neither Michael Bay nor Jerry Bruckheimer seem to be involved. That's the only possitive sign I've seen. Wait & see. Won't be rushing to the theaters, that's for sure.
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VadersLaMent
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Many and myself are quite happy with the POTC trilogy as a whole and as individual movies. So this guy writing GI Joe is a good thing.
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Swordfish and Hitman were decent, middle-of-the-road flicks. Not great, but bad either. POTC was at least pretty well plotted and integrated into one another, and juggled multiple storylines and characters pretty effectively (the only place it fell short on was it was perhaps too subtle at times, as people who weren't really paying attention tended to miss certain points they later complained or wondered about, even though the film outright addresses most of them). It's a good start on the writing end, with hopes they can raie their game a little.
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loki41872
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It's not the costumes that bother me.
It's the change of EVERY major character's nationality and background.
"A Real American Hero"? Not in this movie, more like "A Real United Nations Hero".
And no Cobra.
Snake Eyes talks?
Joes aren't based in America?
Smells like Politically Correct crap to me.
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Darth_Maul_Sith_Lord
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Debates about the possible advances of military gear aside...
The costumes, for me, just take away some of the character's individuality. The same way it did, for me, with the X-Men. With that, though, I was able to look past it because it wasn't a huge part of the flick... Maybe it's the same here, I don't know. I'm probably not gonna waste the $15 to go see it anyway, so it really doesn't matter.
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loki41872 posted:
It's not the costumes that bother me.
It's the change of EVERY major character's nationality and background.
"A Real American Hero"? Not in this movie, more like "A Real United Nations Hero".
And no Cobra.
Snake Eyes talks?
Joes aren't based in America?
Smells like Politically Correct crap to me.
I'm not sure what you're talking about- most of the characters I've seen so far have the same nationality. We're told this is an origins story for Cobra and Cobra Commander. They've specifically dispelled the rumor that the Joes are based in Belgium- they're based out of The Pit. Haven't heard about Snake Eyes talking, from what I can recall- though I could see him talking early in the film or via flashback if they're showing why he took a vow of silence.
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loki41872
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Dig around for the info. It's out there. A reliable person on hisstank.com did a script review a month or so ago, and according to the site moderators and the vets on that site he DOES have contacts with Paramount.
No, the Pit isn't in Brussels anymore. It's in Egypt.
Hawk is British
Scarlett is Australian
Snake Eyes is FRENCH
Storm Shadow is Korean, and a "throw-away" character, like Maul in TPM
The Baroness is American
And Cobra Commander is an ex-U.S. Soldier with a grudge against Duke.
Cobra isn't in the movie. It's Destro and MARS, with Cobra Commander in a "Background" role. Think Palpatine in TPM.
Here's a link to the heated discussion on hisstank. Warning, some bad language!
http://www.hisstank.com/forum/showthread.php?t=7723
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