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beezel26
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12/30/07 7:16pm
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if I had that Iplayer download I could watch them brand new.
but the iplayer can only be downloaded by people in britain.
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JediMasterGuff posted:
Fixed, since Scotland is part of Britain, saying "Britain and Scotland" is wrong.
Well, there is that limited self-rule set-up.  Guess it doesn't include separate TV.
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NOTICED ANYTHING??? NOPE, SAME OLD CRAP, AS USUAL. ALL THE GOOD SHOWS HAVE ALREADY BEEN CANCELED OR ARE JUST NOW COMING OFF OF HIATUS.
OH AND THE ******** AMOUNT OF CONVENIENT NEW GAME SHOWS AND AMERICAN IDOL-ESQUE REALITY CRAP... TALK ABOUT WHAT NEEDS TO BE CANCELED.
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JediMasterGuff posted:
But if you're interested in Scottish TV, try and find yourself some Chewin' the Fat or Still Game.
And for other British shows, try Doctor Who, Torchwood, Robin Hood and Life on Mars. Robin Hood is aimed for all the family so don't expect to see lots of blood, but it's good for some light-hearted adventure.
Eww @ Robin Hood, one of the worst shows on UK tv.
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Ive noticed and Im tired of it. I want me some fresh tv!
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DorkmanScott
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Guys, the writers have to get paid whether they're the "old" writers or the "fresh" writers. The problem is that if the writers give up on their demands, within five years none but the highest paid writers will be able to afford BEING writers. Regardless of the quality of their work.
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Exactly. It's about the writers getting paid better than they are now. The writers are seen as the redheaded stepchild of the film and television industry. Some of these people are lucky enough to get work and those who do, might not have a job the next month. Let alone the next year. All they are asking is the same fair treatment that the studios have and many in Hollywood, save for those who are fighting it, agree with the writers and support them.
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They should just fire all the writers who are being difficult and get new ones. Tv has become boring because of some of them writers.
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darth-sinister posted:
Exactly. It's about the writers getting paid better than they are now.
Not exactly. Although they were angling for a raise on DVD residuals early on (from 1/3 of a penny on the dollar, to 2/3 of a penny on the dollar), the issue is that the studios want to pay them less than they're being paid now. They want to avoid paying residuals on Internet content -- which anyone with half a brain knows is the future of content, period. If the writers don't get a good deal now, they might as well quit, because they'll lose their income entirely.
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They should just fire all the writers who are being difficult and get new ones. Tv has become boring because of some of them writers.
The problem is twofold:
1) They will still have to pay the new writers. If they don't want to pay the OLD writers, why pay the NEW ones? And if they're not paying, what person with any talent is going to work for them? So not only are you going to get people who aren't particularly talented, they also will have no EXPERIENCE. This "option" has the potential only to REDUCE the quality of television programming and theatrical film releases.
2) They would have to fire writers that included Emmy winners, Oscar winners, etc. No reason to throw the baby out with the bathwater.
People are approaching this like the air-traffic controller strike. The problem is that, unlike air-traffic controllers, writers can't be replaced with a computer program, and new writers can't be quickly trained as replacements. Writing is HARD. If you don't think it is, go ahead and try to write a 30-minute sitcom that's actually funny. Weekly. Let me know how that works out for you.
Writers are skilled labor that can't be automated or outsourced. To claim that the solution is to fire "all" the writers shows not only complete ignorance of the issues at stake, it shows incredible disrespect to those writers who have brought you endless hours of joy and entertainment, because ALL of them are on strike, the talented ones and the hacks alike.
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DorkmanScott posted:
People are approaching this like the air-traffic controller strike. The problem is that, unlike air-traffic controllers, writers can't be replaced with a computer program, and new writers can't be quickly trained as replacements. Writing is HARD. If you don't think it is, go ahead and try to write a 30-minute sitcom that's actually funny. Weekly. Let me know how that works out for you.
I know it's a cheap shot, but are you sure they couldn't be replaced with an automated computer program? Just run a find/replace to update the names on the script & let it run.
Also, I would argue that the "professional" writers are having a hard time writing a funny sitcom script--I haven't seen or heard of one in years. Last American sitcom I saw that was funny at all was "Three's Company," which was just a remake of the British "Man About the House." OK, you have the Simpsons and Futurama, which were good for a giggle. Most of what I've seen when I had the misfortune to look was jr high potty humor with adult actors. How these shows remain on the air is beyond me.
Here's a test: watch an episode of any american sitcom you like. Then watch an episode of "Waiting for God". See which one is funnier.
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There have been plenty of funny American sitcoms. I hardly watch any sitcoms myself these days, but I remember finding Frasier, Seinfeld, and Scrubs often very funny. The Lary Sanders Show was pretty incredible, too.
We (UK) have made more bad sitcoms than good ones, I think. It's just the way it goes.
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Koohii posted:
I know it's a cheap shot, but are you sure they couldn't be replaced with an automated computer program?
Believe me, if the studios considered it even remotely viable, it would already have happened.
Koohii posted:
Also, I would argue that the "professional" writers are having a hard time writing a funny sitcom script--I haven't seen or heard of one in years. Last American sitcom I saw that was funny at all was "Three's Company," which was just a remake of the British "Man About the House." OK, you have the Simpsons and Futurama, which were good for a giggle. Most of what I've seen when I had the misfortune to look was jr high potty humor with adult actors. How these shows remain on the air is beyond me.
Here's a test: watch an episode of any american sitcom you like. Then watch an episode of "Waiting for God". See which one is funnier.
The Colbert Report and Daily Show are pretty funny. I also think South Park has hit some new highs in recent seasons.
Besides that, I was just using sitcoms as an example. This isn't ABOUT sitcom writers, or dramatic writers, or talk show writers, or movie writers. This is about ALL writers. The job is not easy to do at all, and it's especially difficult to do well.
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True.
I find, however, that the British system seems to produce better quality (some shows not withstanding). I think part of that is that they go for quality over quantity. Most Britcoms have 6-episode seasons instead of the US 20+. Taggart has the title for "Longest Running Police Drama" even though the seasons are three 3-part stories, making 9 episodes per year. Heck, that show has kept going even after the title actor died. Some shows (Prisoner, Blake's 7, new Doctor Who) have 13-episode "long" seasons. The result of the shorter season/series, however, seems to be much better writing.
Or maybe it's just coincidence.
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DorkmanScott posted:
darth-sinister posted:
Exactly. It's about the writers getting paid better than they are now.
Not exactly. Although they were angling for a raise on DVD residuals early on (from 1/3 of a penny on the dollar, to 2/3 of a penny on the dollar), the issue is that the studios want to pay them less than they're being paid now. They want to avoid paying residuals on Internet content -- which anyone with half a brain knows is the future of content, period. If the writers don't get a good deal now, they might as well quit, because they'll lose their income entirely.
anakinandpadmedoomed posted:
They should just fire all the writers who are being difficult and get new ones. Tv has become boring because of some of them writers.
The problem is twofold:
1) They will still have to pay the new writers. If they don't want to pay the OLD writers, why pay the NEW ones? And if they're not paying, what person with any talent is going to work for them? So not only are you going to get people who aren't particularly talented, they also will have no EXPERIENCE. This "option" has the potential only to REDUCE the quality of television programming and theatrical film releases.
2) They would have to fire writers that included Emmy winners, Oscar winners, etc. No reason to throw the baby out with the bathwater.
People are approaching this like the air-traffic controller strike. The problem is that, unlike air-traffic controllers, writers can't be replaced with a computer program, and new writers can't be quickly trained as replacements. Writing is HARD. If you don't think it is, go ahead and try to write a 30-minute sitcom that's actually funny. Weekly. Let me know how that works out for you.
Writers are skilled labor that can't be automated or outsourced. To claim that the solution is to fire "all" the writers shows not only complete ignorance of the issues at stake, it shows incredible disrespect to those writers who have brought you endless hours of joy and entertainment, because ALL of them are on strike, the talented ones and the hacks alike.
I am well aware how "hard" writing is.
They need to do something bold or they really wont get anything solved. Otherwise I could care less.
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Koohii posted:
True.
I find, however, that the British system seems to produce better quality (some shows not withstanding). I think part of that is that they go for quality over quantity. Most Britcoms have 6-episode seasons instead of the US 20+. Taggart has the title for "Longest Running Police Drama" even though the seasons are three 3-part stories, making 9 episodes per year. Heck, that show has kept going even after the title actor died. Some shows (Prisoner, Blake's 7, new Doctor Who) have 13-episode "long" seasons. The result of the shorter season/series, however, seems to be much better writing.
Or maybe it's just coincidence.
This is something I've always wonder about. Why do British TV series have such limited runs? As soon as you grew to like a new show it's already over, maybe for good.
I can't even bear the thought of what Frasier or Lost might have been like if they had only produced twelve episodes.
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