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InCogNiToFan
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5/11/05 9:54pm
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RE: Spoliers vs Non-spoilers --Which side are you on?
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Haha .. next time try turning your head away instead .. look at wall or the floor ..
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wmgan
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5/12/05 8:38pm
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I beg to differ - did knowing the story of "The Lord of the Rings" deter anyone from enjoying the movies? I think not - not in my case, at least (though I was rather upset with the second movie, which in my opinion added too much unnecessary padding to an otherwise tight plot in the novel).
Besides, EVERYONE knows what's going to happen to Anakin Skywalker in the end of Episode 3 (except those who've never watched the classic trilogy, in which case they're probably not much interested in Star Wars anyway). I guess what everyone's dying to find out is exactly how and why he turns, but I don't think there are much elements of surprise in that.
For me, personally, I like knowing the story before I watch the movie (which is why I like reading the novel/novelisation first), so that the first time I watch the movie I can focus at seeing how the story is portrayed on screen, rather than on the story itself. (Of course, in subsequent viewings more subtle details would become apparent.)
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Fingolfin_Noldor
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5/13/05 12:24am
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I was one of those who read the LOTR book... 3 times thus far. Still went to watch the movie anyway. Reason? The movie offers a different dimension to the whole experience. The book only gives hints of the experience, all the details and stuff. But the visual experience has always been the most wholesome form of story telling.
But I'd be one of those who would be first to have PJ's head on a pike for his blasphemy.
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aanakin
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5/13/05 5:27am
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haha.
anyway, even though i'm not a spoiler free person, i still refuse to read the novelisation as it is a bit too much info...in my certain point of view.
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JaZzYjaZZ
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5/13/05 9:37am
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Ha, 3 more days and I can open my eyes wide! 3 more days and I'll be completely spoiled!
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JediJean
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5/13/05 8:08pm
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Jazz, you will never be spoiled... once the movie is out "being spoiled" is a state that no longer exists... catch my drift?? 
aanakin, I STILL haven't read the novelisation either... not because I don't have it, or that I don't want to read it... but because I've been too busy with work and everyday living... I just do my best to read and know as much as possible, given whatever free time I have... after all, knowledge is a journey and not a destination, and when the movie comes out, there will still be more to know and learn and discuss... the "training" is never really complete.
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JediJean
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Jedi_Healer
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> The movie offers a different dimension to the whole experience. The book only gives hints of the experience, all the details and stuff. But the visual experience has always been the most wholesome form of story telling.
Not really..no. True, the movies helped visualise some things that could not be told (the places, scenery and stuff), and widened our imagination, but they didn't really tell the story properly... PJ left out like, SO MANY important stuff. I would prefer it much better if he stuck with the book Tolkien wrote.
> But I'd be one of those who would be first to have PJ's head on a pike for his blasphemy.
Don't be too sure about that.. Hehe but if you're first, I'll be coming in a close second! 
Anyway, back to the point of this thread...
I'm about half half I guess, more towards the "I-know-everything" than the "I-Know-Nothing" though.. I wasn't going to read (and still haven't other than the first few pages I couldn't resist!) the novelisation though, felt it was too much info. But I have read the Visual Dictionary, flipped through the Making of ROTS, read other spoilers stuff etc...
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wmgan
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5/15/05 5:35am
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<PJ left out like, SO MANY important stuff.>
Unfortunately, he also ADDED IN so much useless stuff - especially in TTT. I'm all for changing certain details to suit the medium, but I felt that what he did in TTT was way overboard - the pacing was off, and the story didn't even make complete sense.
Surprisingly, I didn't feel the same way when I first watched the extended edition...
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Jedi_Healer
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> Unfortunately, he also ADDED IN so much useless stuff - especially in TTT. I'm all for changing certain details to suit the medium, but I felt that what he did in TTT was way overboard - the pacing was off, and the story didn't even make complete sense.
Yeah I think he spent too much time on Helm's Deep. PJ should have just stuck to the book, and finished when the book finished, instead of dragging that last Shelob's Lair part to ROTK. THAT way, he'd have more time to spend on the Scouring of the Shire, Saruman's death, etc...which weren't even shown.
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Fingolfin_Noldor
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5/15/05 8:51pm
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I always imagined PJ's head like the way the Uruk Hai's head in TTT....
Anyway, I have lots of gripes.
1. The False impression that Saruman created the Uruk Hai. Damn him! It was Sauron's creation! Not his!
2. We should have seen Uruk Hai at the Siege of Minas Tirith.
3. Why the hell do you even need to have the Nazgul swooping down when the spells to cast fear was sufficient?
4. Why the hell is the Siege of Minas Tirith so bright? The clouds smothered the sun and nothing was to be seen! It was night!
5. The soldiers of Gondor seem very badly trained.
6. The Rohirrim... seem to be able to walk through pikes. And the orcs.. frightened??? Who are they more frightened of? Sauron or the Rohirrim?
7. THe Black Ships of Umbar was perhaps the greatest travesty against the book.
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wmgan
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Jedi_Healer, I'm afraid I don't agree - the Mount Doom scene is the climax of the third movie, and it is quite impossible to have yet another conflict (e.g. the Scouring of the Shire) after that. Although I used to think differently, I now think Peter Jackson made the right decision in moving Shelob to the third movie. But I felt that they reached the Black Gate much too early in the second.
It's true that they gave the impression that Saruman created the Uruk-Hai, and yet there were Uruk-Hai in the tower of Cirith Ungol! I don't mind changes per se, but contradictions are really distracting!
Another thing - in TTT, Ithilien was already under siege, but in ROTK it seems like Mordor's army just arrived by the river after emerging from Minas Morgul!
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Jedi_Healer
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5/17/05 8:34pm
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You know what, you're probably right. PJ must have had a reason for doing what he did. The scouring would have looked very odd, sticking out like a sore thumb, when everything has ended. But I guess I'm just too stubborn to listen to reason...there was a whole chunk in ROTK that was left untold, and I guess I just wanted to see it... LOL So (although it hardly seems fair) I'm hammering PJ for that. *nods wisely*
(Is it just me, or are we straying from the topic here?  )
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wmgan
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5/17/05 8:40pm
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Actually, I wasn't very happy with the ending of ROTK - not because of its length, but because it wasn't explained very properly why the Elves were leaving, and more importantly why Frodo was leaving with them. (Even PJ - or was it Philippa or Fran? - acknowledged in the EE commentary that if they had more time, they could have done the ending better - though that of course calls to mind the question of why didn't they improve it for the EE.)
I was also hoping that the movie would end with Galadriel's voice-over, as that would give the trilogy some symmetry.
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Fingolfin_Noldor
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5/21/05 8:04pm
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I spent a lot of time explaining to people who didn't read the book what was happening at the end.
Of course, the bulk of the ignorant people have no idea of the little idiosyncracies of the show.
Yeah, the chronologies in the ROTK were a little messed up. They seem to have fast forwarded the whole lot. Any how, that isn't really much of a problem.
What is a problem however, was the shamble of Sauron's army when it came to Minas Tirith. Sauron, a Maiar of Aule, unable to equip his troops with anything better than that?
They could have also shown an army emerging at the same time from the Black Gate itself.
But I still think the Battle of the Pelennor Fields wouldn't have ended so anti-climatically if they haven't introduced the Dead to the Battle!!!!
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