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Darth_Rhadei
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starfire-phoenix posted:
MS has been working on the text for the flyer, he'll send you a message with some information soon. He's on the phone at the moment.
Is he off yet? I just need a few written paragraphs about what SAFF is about, how you started and what you do.
Just so I can post it on Biohaze-Gaming and close the window...
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_Master-Skywalker_
Title: FF Chapter Rep
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dashleebo
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3. This point I strongly disagree with ! This is why they are doing away with gradings in schools in some cases. Scoring in little football & smilie stamps !! Because we don't want to hurt people's feelings who miss out. That's life, people miss out, does that mean we shouldn't recognise the people who do an outstanding job ? Should the Brownlow medal be abolished ? Or should every player get a Brownlow for just trying?
I just think in the case of SAFF, commending people in threads is enough. Thing is, with the school system, especially in the final year, it IS a competition... students are competing against each other for the higher ranking. AFL is another type of competition. A trophy itself implies competition, and I feel that isn't a good mind set for the people of SAFF... "Oh, I have to out-do the efforts of so and so..." sure it might get people working harder, but it would also cause frustration for those who worked hard too but didn't get recognised.
6.I don't agree, but lets say for arguments sake that's correct, we can always do more & should do more. We've lost Luche, Starcrusier, LTG & Kooks , the boys don't get on much these days, with out bodies to do things the group will slowly crumble to a hand full of people left as Parsec was in the end, a sad incarnation of what it once was.
LTG still posts occasionally and Kooks isn't gone forever. But I do agree there is more that can be done, which is why I liked the poster idea and mentioning SAFF in more places.
8. Apparently from the posts here he is doing a crap job ! Because all that he's done is never good enough. He's busted his gut for Xmas in July just for starters. He's done everything I have asked of him & I think he's doing a FANTASTIC job !! So, if he's doing a great job...why the whinging?
I don't know who is whinging about him. 
Why does the flyer need updating?
Because we have come up with a new one.... One I believe to be a little nicer than the currently used one. The one we use now is functional but the new one will be full colour. Why are we not seeking approval with it, because we are funding this ourselves.
Fair enough, colour does look better.
True but with the low posting over recent months for various reasons, the organising of an event, even a basic social gathering, is next to impossible.
People are mostly poping in here infrequently or lurking. If they're lurking, obviously they don't want to join in, if they don't want to talk to us online, I daresay they won't want to attend a RL gathering. If they're here infrequently they can't complain that we want to get more people involved.
Well you make a good point. I wonder why more people are coming here infrequently or lurking these days. I admit I'm one of those people because I'm very busy with TAFE and I can't go to most of the events anyway. Would like to visit again next year though. If there is less activity then yes we do need more people...
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Darth_Rhadei
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uNrelated, but AFL sucks IMO. Too much drama.
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_Master-Skywalker_
Title: FF Chapter Rep
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Thankyou Dashy, this is good open positive communication & I very much welcome feedback, I don't always agree with everything, but's ok like you said, that's why you have a CR & he makes the decisions that's best for SAFF & I thankyou for your contribution to this & as for you not posting more, I know real life gets in the way & I understand that, but know you are most welcome her & we love to have you 
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Aiel
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<Sneaks out from under the Meanders Inn Bar.>
Hello, first of all I'm not here to complain...well not really.
I've been here four years come October and I have loved my time here on the boards, especially when I was studying it was great to sneek on here between classes. I am still a member and have all intentions of staying here reguardless of some dealings made on SAFF's behalf without us "no-inclusive" peoples knowledge, why?
Because I will not give up on the idea that we are all equal here, even our CR, should not feel that he is above us, we are a group of people who have been brought together by Star Wars.
And I do not approve of the idea of giving away awards, we aren't a workplace or a political party, we are an association and I agree with Dashy, there is enough exclusiveness that goes on here at any rate.
Not all of us may be able to attend every single event, nor may be the oldest person on here, nor the most respected, but I think all decisions from now on should be discussed here, not in select groups, everyone should be given the chance to have a say.
Viva la SAFF and hugs for DLA  , you do a great job!
<Aiel hops off the soap-box and crawls back under the bar.>
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I_am_Kooky
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6/30 2:18pm
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Hi.
I AM NOT DEAD!!!
NOT. DEAD.
I am not dead, I just have a funny accent, kinda like half Aussie, and Half Irish. I chose to see the world before I grew the brain cells to realise that its a stupid idea and there is no way I could afford it. Although it feeds my ego that I was mentioned, it saddens me that my being on the other side (living MY DREAM!) of the world some how seems to be a negative thing.
I am PERSONALLY visiting other counties and promoting the SAFF. In Scotland I stayed for a week with a Scots SW fan, and the same in England, and (when I visit) Denmark and Germany. . .France, Rome, Greece, Poland. . I am still talking to the SW fans there.
I only have very limited Net time now with my new job, and what time I do get I talk to my family. But each time I am on I lurk around the SAFF because I don't have the time to post, often. (SAFF is my home page, and this particular post was created 98% off line)
Darth RL has attacked many of our number, but those should not be shunned for it, but supported! Dashy has School, I am in Ireland, other have sick family members, financial troubles, personal issues, that cant be helped.
Some where some one said, that that because that I am in Irealnd that I am not a acvitve member of he SAFF (maybe not those words, but it knida feels that way) . . what about Goddess she is in Canada, and Dashy who is in NSW.
Okay . . .that's just explaining that I am not dead. . .
I don't want this to be another rant, but it might turn out to be one anyway. A few issues have been brought up in the past few pages and cause I wont be at Evils BBQ (in person) I will put what I can here. (also to prove, THAT I AM NOT DEAD!)
Now for my 2 cents, (they are euro, so its actually 3.2 AUS cents.)
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If it anit broke, don't fix it!
The SAFF has been doing great for the past 4 years!
I don't like the idea of super promotions and stuff, its gives the SAFF a really Big Ego and we don't need that. if they are Star Wars fans, they will find us. We are not hard to find now. New members are great, but we cant forget the old. Anyway we have been getting members with out the promotions, they come and we are getting bigger. . .quality over quantity? Just being out there and having fun is a good way to get people in.
I too was here at the beginnings of the SAFF, I remember Dave_Jedi. . . and being at events at the start and meeting the ex-Parsec guys, I asked about what happened to that, why did that die? Gossip, Lack of interest after a while, the division. Other things that I don't remember but I am sure any ex-parsec will tell you. Learn from our mistakes.
Yeah I cant do much now, I am on the other side of the world, (I believe that to be a valid excuse!) When I get back home, I want to be an active member again, maybe even run as CR. (depends on TAFE) I love the SAFF as much as all of us do.
As a part of year 12 I did a web-site, it was (is) crude (and not updated because I have a Mac over seas and not a PC) but if you look through the SAFF and see all the events we did! I found the average to be once a month. What was it 4 years, 50+ events or something, that's impressive in its self! That's better then almost all the EU fan forces. But we are bound to slow down, but think of it as a rest time, before we come alive again and kick all fan forces butts! (We do that anyway)
Don't go the way of the North England fan force. . .they where a great group, but they split into costumers and none-costumers. The two sects don't talk to each other and the non-costume kinda are on the board on and off, and it died and awful death, we cant let that happen to the SAFF. (There was also a hell of a lot of Gossip that help speed up the death) We wont spilt that way (I believe) but there is a split. There is a crack in the foundation of the SAFF, its was not there to start with, but happened after the ground was shaken. Should that not be fixed before we add on more rooms(people)?
There is a division among the SAFFers, we all see it, we know its there, but we don't say anything, and the gossip that runs around is helping kill the SAFF. Maybe find a way to fix that, as members feel offended or targeted or isolated because of it. At the beginning of the SAFF it was a safe place to come and relax, now each word that is typed is well planned and thought out before posting which leads to many lurks who don't have the time to put that kinda effort in. That would be better, that will help save the SAFF and make it stronger which will bring people in, because who dose not love a relaxed environment.
Fan force needs a CR
"A CR is a person chosen by the members of a chapter to be their representative. The idea is that when organising meets and events, that one person speaks for the chapter as a way of making communications a lot simpler."
Although I have never been a CR, I believe it to be hard work. I suppose that's why we have DLA to help with events and others to help with other aspects of running this fan force. So with this idea of advisers and awards and other things, before its put into action and while kinks are being worked out, how about a poll? that was we can get a general idea of what the SAFF thinks with not nasty words and people can remain anonymous and even for lurker's, clicking yes or no is not hard.
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Toddi posted:
What needs to be remembered is that if an idea is challenged or disagreed with, that doesn't mean that person is being are attacked.
I am NOT attacking[/i] MS for putting an Idea up in the Ideas thread, I am not attacking those who think its a good idea, or those who think its a bad idea, but don't misunderstand things or misread them. Being on the web it makes it harder to do, but that's not really a good excuse. (I say 'I love you' on the web to DLA for example, that could be miss-read 100 other ways, when I mean it as a friend, because DLA is my friend!) I am not attacking, like others I am putting up my view because people think I am dead.
Start with small changes, let people adapt and then continue on.
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I don't like the idea of in-SAFF awards. We didn't win the most 'fund-raised money' or something at RFL and many of the SAFF where shattered. We got best theme but that didn't seem to matter because we didn't get the other one. "I am not coming back because we didn't get X-award" RFL for the SAFF seemed to have gone sour. I wasn't there this year, but when I asked how it was, I got the 'it was good' and not the ranting for weeks after like the first one, or days after the second. From my view (on the other side of the world) the SAFF seems stressed enough, add competition to that and I think it might just shatter.
MS posted:
Dashy posted:
3.As for the trophies, that will just make the people who missed out feel bad. Over the past few years, the way it's been is that after every event, kudos/thanks/recognition is given in the event's thread to people who have stood out for outstanding contribution/effort.
This point I strongly disagree with ! This is why they are doing away with gradings in schools in some cases. Scoring in little football & smilie stamps !! Because we don't want to hurt people's feelings who miss out. That's life, people miss out, does that mean we shouldn't recognise the people who do an outstanding job ? Should the Brownlow medal be abolished ? Or should every player get a Brownlow for just trying?
Sounds Egotistic to me. Yes that makes me a hipacrit, I love to be reconiged for the great things I do! who does not? But you ask the Brownlow medal winners abotu the award, yes its ego stroking to get it, but they love what they do and thats all that matters really. I am not really disagreeing with the fact people should not be recognised for doing a good job, but they did a good job because they love to do it, not because they wanted a reward.
Addie set up the SAFF and was CR for a lonh time, where is her award or?
DLA has been event manger for the past few years where is his?
Meanders did an awesome job as CR last year, he needs one.
Dashy needs one for flying over to join some events, Goddess gets one for moveing acorss the sea to be a SAFFer. Evil gets one for the being evil. Guri has one for fantastic outfits, Sabre for being our youth persons, Toddi for being the best behaved (most JEdi Like)SAFFer, TK and Mel for doing their best. MS for getting us merchnedice, DV for being a sneaking little thing, Aiel for running the Inn, SF for getting the costumers guild rep, Quin for the 501st rep. Tyken for a fantasmicable pagent float, Kooky for being the over seas rep. . . (please forgive me if I forgot you, YOU get an award for being not noticed and doing a great job for being a SAFFer  )
I believe this is a can of worms, not ready to be open. Cuase if you start this, first EVERYONE needs an arward for the past efforts in the SAFF and then its not really that speail. Besides, I believed that all the SAFFers that have gone above and beyond is because they loved it. Is not not reward enough? if they didnt want to do it, they would not have. What is some one did 80% of the leg work and then got really sick, had to pull out and give the rest to some one else. The event was a sucsess, who gets the reward then?
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(I figure, most of the people reading a tuned out now, something I said above you have taken offence to, or agreed with and you focused on that and not read anything else.)
What is the SAFF at heart?
The SAFF is a group of Star Wars Fans. That is why we are here, in the real world, I doubt any of us would have been friends. Star Wars is the heart of the SAFF. We like to get together and show Adelaide how much we love star wars by parading around in costumes. We raise money for charity as a good excuses to parade around in our costumes. We are friends, so we go out every now and again and have coffee.
So we all cant attend every event? big Deal? we have X-Mas in July to spend money and dress up nice, we have X-Mas in the park to be cheap and shoot people with water and let the kids run around. X-mas Pagent to be in our Costumes and show off to the world how cool we really are.
They seem to be main events and everyone does their best to attends all there, but every SAFF member at least attends one of them. (why do all three of them have to do with Christmas? :P )
All other events like Laser Hunt, Beach Day, RFL, Bowling, Cafe's are a great way to keep up and show new people that we really are mostly normal, and well, they are good fun. But for the past 4 years we put up 'this event at this time, make it if you can' and it happens.
Are we becoming the senate, being bogged down in precedos? The Force Forbid!
*looks back at the above post* . . . Damn Blarney Stone. . .
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_Master-Skywalker_
Title: FF Chapter Rep
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here's a question:
Do we want new members or are we happy with the small group we are? I DO NOT mean throwing out old members I am talking growth.
yes/no ?
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I think that the SAFF growing is a good thing. I would hate to see it dwindle like other fan forces have.
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Agreed... I would love to see the SAFF Grow.
Cho and our new Sith Apprentice have been a wonderful breath of fresh air
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As for the Idea About the awards, it was my suggestion and we talked about what we would actually give out.
A People's choice, so basically the SAFF voting and nominating a memeber who they feel has stood out for the year.
Community Service Award - A Big thank you for a member who has gone above and beyond to assist the community. eg: Meanders with Organizing the Relay 4 Life
Special Recognition - This award basically is based around everything and has gone well and truely beyond what was necessary EG: tk1571 and Mel for there work at the SAFF Open Day
There was one other but i cannot remember what it was.
It's in NO WAY being exclusive or Elitist, in fact it's the opposite, it's an encouragement to be active, to participate and to do what we do best.
The SAFF cannot be run by one singular person, It's not possible. And the idea behind all this is to not only share some of the responsibilities but also to thank the people who step up and make the effort.
Through this thread i've been thinking about all the various points people have been making, from an observational standpoint i've realized a few things.
1. People have been complaining about a lack of events: I've just looked back over the forums and ever time an event has been posted, it's been shot down in a blaze of glory. Various reasons from Not having the Money to Not having the time... the events coordinator has stepped in and pulled the plug, why, it's not an event with 5 people.
2. People seem to be under the impression that the changes we've just made are going to be bad for the SAFF.... How? were resurrecting an idea that was run under evil's rule. Everyone still has a say, everyone still has a say and as is normal procedure it will be posted on the boards. What we are doing is setting up the advisory council for those topics which cannot and won't be posted on a public forum. Those that were there for the Council Meeting we had at DD's place a few years back will know what i am referring too.
3. MS is your elected CR, he is until he either steps down or calls for another election is effectively in charge of the SAFF. As his second it's my job to one support him when he is right and two to tell him he's wrong when he is.
I think anyone that knows me knows that when i have an opinion on something i do not back down.
How people are thinking that there is a shift in power.... i mean please people, any power that people can see here in the SAFF is entirely imaginary!
4. Out of the 4 SAFF Cr's we've had, 2 have pulled out early, 1 has lasted the full term and the other has only just started. Why... Well I know that it's because of complaints and other associated problems. Being a CR is a thankless job and it takes someone who is dedicated to both the group and to star wars in order to pull it off.
In this instance i couldn't ask for a better CR, MS is not only dedicated, handling three seperate roles within the SAFF but he is also a busy RL worker.
After reading through this thread i am stunned, the level of personal attacks is shocking and to be honest i am upset that people are attacking an idea that is needed.
Yes.. the SAFF is slowly dying at the moment, ideas that have been proposed have been shot down or simply no one has come up with something to change the current situation.
Honestly it's gotten to the point that on a daily basis myself and MS are getting at least three people complaining about something. So we got together and talked about a solution.
Instead of saying 'Hey this is an idea that's worked before, lets try it again' people have gone straight away to the 'I hate this idea and i think it sux'
*sighs*
That's my say and to say i am disappointed by the reactions of some people is an understatement, some i expected it from and others well I didn't know what they were going to do.
But accusations of stacking the deck and being elitist are just plain rubbish and it's a little sad that i have to say this, but this is NOT an attack on anyone in particular, it's a general statement covering everyone.
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Well, all of you whingers can have the place back then & with all of your combined recent inactivity... this place will be DEAD.
Best of luck.
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_Master-Skywalker_
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this club has torn my heart from my body these past days. I cannot tell you how broken I am feeling right at this moment. I love this group with all my heart, soul & every fiber of my body & I am so devestated at the responses that I have recieved. The PM's have been horrendous by a couple of people & I am so upset with the negetive responses & the attacks that have come.
It's fine to diagree with me & have I slammed anyone for disagreeing with me? All I ask is that you show a little bit of respect to me for doing the best job that I can do for us.
Dashy's has been the only post that disagrees with me that has been made in a calm, adult, positive sensible, "I don't agree with you, but I see what you're trying to achieve" manner- I thankyou Dashy
I am bleeding, you have no idea how much so... I have more to say but I'm at lunch & I have to go back to work in a min.
My heart is broken.
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_Master-Skywalker_ posted:
here's a question:
Do we want new members or are we happy with the small group we are? I DO NOT mean throwing out old members I am talking growth.
yes/no ?
This question would imply that we are a small group. Yet, we seem to be able to fill all spots for things like CiJ, get a big turnout for dinners, the Guri & Alf initiated Easter picnic, Norwood Xmas pageant.
I don't view SAFF as a small group. And in line with recent posts, this is not an attack on any man, woman or furry creature
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evil-incarnate posted:
I'm getting a new schmick BBQ soon & I want to give it a work out.. (probably in about a month), I'm always happy to throw the doors open & have a get together.
EVERYONE WIIL BE INVITED - YES - EVERYONE !
Let's all have a good sit down face to face discussion on where we all stand.
It will remove all possibility of mis-communication as clarification can be made immediately.
Now the fun part will be getting a date where everyone will be available.
Who's up for this ?
I'll be up for that!!!
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