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_Master-Skywalker_
Title: FF Chapter Rep
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5/24 6:53am
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RE: 'What Really Grinds My Gears'
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footy's a VERY passionate game 
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Adalia-Durron
Title: Oceania RSA
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5/24 6:55am
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evil-incarnate posted:
Gotta love footy supporters....... "they're a different bunch"...
I have to agree....often of cycloptic proportions! 
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evil-incarnate
Title: Former CR, FF South Australia
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So's backgammon....
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oz_skipp
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The Burgoyne (sp?) suspension is an absolute joke.
_Master-Skywalker_ posted:
the competentcy in the SANFL seems fine
No, it's not. The umpiring is extremely variable and often borders on bewildering.
WRGMG? I'm 0 for 5 in my tipping so far this week. What the .....? 
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_Master-Skywalker_
Title: FF Chapter Rep
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5/24 9:41pm
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umm, ok , fair enough. It's just that on the 5AA sports show it's always the AFL that they criticise, they seem to say the SANFL's standard is ok, but I don't know about that. I don't get to see much SANFL these days, but the AFL's standard is beyond belief. Perhaps the problem is that there are too many umpires employed & that only half are actually up to standard ? Maybe going back to 2 would improve the level of those officiating ?
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oz_skipp
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I've seen a lot of SANFL over the last 3 or 4 years. Sometimes the umpiring is fine and unobtrusive (yesterday's North vs Eagles game is an example) but sometimes it's too easily influenced by the players involved in decisions or even the crowd! Quite often they miss blatant frees and give some that aren't there. I know that there's a human element involved, but I definitely agree that due to the amount of umpires involved in SANFL/AFL has somewhat diluted their ranks.
As to a solution? I don't know, but surely improved training would help. Perhaps trying to make umpiring more attractive to potentials? I know I wouldn't put myself in that situation without some good incentives!
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_Master-Skywalker_
Title: FF Chapter Rep
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5/24 10:22pm
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$1,000+ per game's not a bad incentive.
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Obi-Wan_Toddi
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5/24 11:34pm
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*head desks*
I dunno how many times I have to say this. The problem is at the top. Those guys (umpires) are under strict instructions, "Umpire OUR way or you won't umpire".
If you want an example of how the AFL LIKE doing things, see: the new interchange rule. WTF?? 
I've said it time and time again, and it feels like I'm talking to a frickin' brick wall. Removing the third umpire won't improve things, not with the pace of the modern game. More penalties will be missed.
There is a human element in everything. An umpire simply can't see everything, and can't give a free kick on something he thought he saw. I've got no time for anyone who craps on about footy umpiring without having tried it themselves first.
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Adalia-Durron
Title: Oceania RSA
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Date Posted:
5/25 12:18am
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Interchange rule is insane, and the penalty for breaking it ludicrous. I agree Toddi it's not the guys on the field themselves, it all comes down from a group who consider themselves gods of football. There is such thing as too many rules you know guys, and I suspect being an umpire takes alot of guts and the other things, as the garbage both literal and verbal thrown at them is appalling, considering the fact.... IT'S JUST A GAME!  There are few willing to get out there and do better, but there are plenty ready to stand on the sidelines or in front of the TV (with the pleasure and aid of slow motion replay) and criticize every decision. Things look alot different from the ground level than they do from way above the action. No one can see everything, and no one is perfect, I imagine all the 'armchair umpires' would find themselves in hot water pretty fast if they were doing the job. 
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_Master-Skywalker_
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Date Posted:
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RE: 'What Really Grinds My Gears'
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no one ever said it was easy, but when you get paid the big dollars & you are supposed to be the best umpires the country has, the standard should be higher is all I was saying.
You don't have to have made a movie to know whether a movie was well made. You look, you observe & make a call on what you see. Many people who have never actually played football still have a valid opinion on what they see. Point in fact- there are women in high places in the AFL, even on the tribunal & they've not played AFL at league level.
I think that AFL umpires are definately influenced by the crowd, but probably more so by the state they live in & the fact is that most of them come from Victoria. That is strange considering that there is a lot of AFL played all over the country each week.
Congratulations to West Coast last night, they got away with murder all night in the Crows forward line. Tippett & Burton were held & scragged all night. Tippett especially was "saddled" each time he went near the ball.
Since the creation of the national game, the interstate(non Victorian) clubs year in year out recieve leess free's than they concede. It happens each & every year, it can't be a coincedence every year for 20 years.
There was the Shaun Rehn holding the ball decision a few years back that cost the Crows a game against North, the umpire later admitted he barracked for North as a kid.
The umpires are there to officiate the game & shouldn't be noticed & when they do a good job they aren't. I'm not a supporter who boo's when a decision goes against his club. I try to be fair & reasonable in everything I do in life, I don't just complain when things are bad, if someone is doing a good job I'll say so. I've rang companies to tell them how good their service is as well as how bad. I like many many others if you listen to talk back radio in this state think that the umpires are doing a poor job.
The AFL thinks they are doing a great job & that's who's paying.
The one thing that is certain- nothing will change.
& yes, I agree with you about the interchange..WTH ?? The AFL have stuffed this completely up & I think most agree with that 
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oz_skipp
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Date Posted:
5/25 3:24am
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RE: 'What Really Grinds My Gears'
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I've umpired cricket and refereed soccer matches over numerous seasons. Sure, not at the elite level, but I've experienced 'the pressure' of umpiring. Of course mistakes are made, especially when you lose concentration or get distracted. But I'm not a professional, nor the supposed best in the country.
I should've mentioned it before, but yeah of course the directives from above and confusing rule changes / interpretations are affecting the umpires' ability to do the best job possible. Perhaps it's a contributing factor, if not the sole reason, toward the fact that at AFL and SANFL there's so many confounding decisions being made.
From what I've read though, the Crows played pretty badly the other night, no amount of umpiring mistakes would have helped or hindered them much.
Edit: I got 2 out of 8 in my tipping this week. Erk.
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Interesting to note that of the current AFL field umpires, 13 are from Victoria and 12 are from other states. THAT is fact.
Another interesting fact is the umpires from the WCE/Crows game and which state they're from!
WEST COAST vs ADELAIDE
Luke Farmer (4) (WA), Justin Schmitt (17) (SA), Stuart Wenn (22) (VIC)
Adelaide played poorly ... nuff said.
Also the point of having women on the tribunal is mute. The tribunal is there to judge whether a player's conduct was dangerous ie majority of reports are for striking, charging etc. So they look at unreasonable contact ... they look at if a player was hit, and the consequences ... ie did the affected player continue in the match.
They DO NOT look at any other passage of play. They DO NOT look at anything relating to any free kick. This is a completely different section of the Laws Of The Game. Therefore they do not need a knowledge of the 'in play' laws. You'll find that they don't have that knowledge.
WRGMG?
Sweeping statements with no factual basis
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WRGMG?
People who start rumours
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WRGMG
The first state of origin game. Yes my team won but it was a boring game of football and Queensland played really badly so NSW got away with playing a mediocre game
Having to go up to uni 5 days next semester 
The rain. It's good for the catchments and all but it prevents me and my friends from playing culdesac cricket/baseball
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_Master-Skywalker_
Title: FF Chapter Rep
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Date Posted:
6/26 3:40am
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Being sick
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