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Vader'd get smashed 
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e-i pwns them all....... 
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he's more machine now than man....collecting machine 
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_Master-Skywalker_ posted:
he's more machine now than man....collecting machine
Twisted & evil.....
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evil-incarnate posted:
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he's more machine now than man....collecting machine
Twisted & evil.....
 I asked for that response
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Darth Krayt Vs Darth Vader
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Vader ...... easily.
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I'm not sure about that, Vader wasn't agile in the slightest in that suit & really only defeated Luke when he was just a novice & couldn't defeat him when he was a Jedi knight.
Vader looked more menacing than he was
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LUKE SKYWALKER Vs ANY SITH EVER !!
LUKE !! Here's why !!
Though he received little training, Luke Skywalker became a wise and powerful Jedi Master. His skills with both the Force and lightsaber were exceptional. Luke had the Force potential to become what his father was supposed to become—the Force potential of the Chosen One. Luke Skywalker was one of the most powerful Jedi to ever exist, as he demonstrated powers and abilities that surpassed even Grand Master Yoda. Some examples where his skills are shown include:
Force Sense
* During the Battle of Yavin, Luke managed to destroy the first Death Star by letting the Force tell him when to fire his proton torpedoes, while traveling at very high speeds, and not knowing the distance to the port, and having no previous knowledge of proton torpedoes and their abilities. One should note that Luke only had little training with the Force at this time.
* Luke managed to land a crashing Imperial Star Destroyer, with almost no loss of life, on Coruscant by allowing the Force to guide him at the Liberator's controls, mirroring a similar achievement by his father towards the end of the Clone Wars.[110][111][112]
Force Attunement
* Without any guidance except a handbook left by Obi-Wan Kenobi, Luke Skywalker successfully built his first lightsaber, merely three years after he was first introduced to the Force, and undergoing formal training for less than a year.
* Only a short time after being given a lightsaber by Obi-Wan, Luke was able to instinctively block several blaster bolts fired in rapid succession by a remote, despite his lack of prolonged formal training.
Luke Skywalker, Jedi apprentice.
Luke Skywalker, Jedi apprentice.
Telekinesis
* Luke safely landed himself, Isolder, and Isolder's fighter from a free fall drop from orbit with the Force.
* During the Battle of Dathomir, Luke flew the Millennium Falcon single-handedly using only the Force, manipulating its controls and operating it with a skill that not even a full crew could manage.
* Luke was able to knock down a crippled AT-AT by pressing against it with the Force; he also absorbed the initial cannon blasts from the AT-AT, before deflecting the rest with his lightsaber.[110][111]
* During the Black Fleet Crisis, Luke used the Force to rebuild Darth Vader's old fortress on Coruscant and made it invisible.[113] In addition, Luke used the Force to crush the rebuilt fortress of Darth Vader to rubble, shattering the building piece by piece and throwing it into the oceans of Coruscant.[114]
* During the Battle of Dantooine of the Yuuzhan Vong War, Luke tricked a vehicle's dovin basals into colliding its own void (black hole) against itself by using the Force to hold the void against the pull of the dovin basals; then reversing the direction of his own pull, adding it to the pull of the dovin basals, so that the void would collide against the spine of the vehicle.[84]
Revitalize
* In the battle between the Singing Mountain Clan and the Nightsisters, Luke was almost fatally wounded by a Force attack by Gethzerion and a deep fall, but regenerated in the span of mere hours.
Droid Disable
* Luke also destroyed a group of hot-wired battle droids just by waving his hand, subtly displacing their master servos and causing the self-destruction of the group of droids.[110][111] This Force power was first manifested by Jedi Master Arca Jeth during the Great Droid Revolution. Even then, with proper instruction, it was a difficult power to master. However, this power apparently came naturally to Luke.
Luke Skywalker, Jedi Knight.
Luke Skywalker, Jedi Knight.
Force Protection
* During the time when he was re-creating the Jedi Order and was searching for potential candidates, he walked on lava while still throbbing with the Force after defeating a Fireworm living in the lava just moments before.[59] Luke's performance impressed Gantoris so much that he decided to become Luke's apprentice. It should be noted that while the temperature near a lava lake normally is extreme (hundreds of °C), there was a crowd of abandoned colonists in tattered clothing waiting at the bank of the lava, suggesting that the feat was not so remarkable after all.
* During the Eye of Palpatine incident, Luke subconsciously used his Force powers to overcome a particularly vicious form of brainwashing.
Telepathy
* During the Death Seed Plague, Luke used the Force to communicate with the sentient crystals Tsils. It is important to remember that the more dissimilar the type of mind, the more difficult it is to communicate with via the Force.
* Toward the end of the Swarm War, Luke used the Force to call all the Jedi across the galaxy to Ossus to make the announcement of him taking on the role as Grand Master of the Jedi Order, and to issue his views about the role of the Order to his Jedi.
Protection Bubble
* Luke could generate a Force shield to deflect blaster fire.
Force Illusion
* While searching for the kidnapped Solo children, Luke used the Force to create an illusion over his face in order to disguise his identity. He would later reuse this trick on Yoggoy.
* After the crisis, with new found knowledge from the White Current, Luke removed the Teljkon Vagabond from view using the Force; however he admitted that he did not know how long it would last.
* After the Black Fleet Crisis, Luke taught the combined White Current/the Force illusion skill to his more experienced students, which would help shield the entire moon Yavin 4 from intruders during the Yuuzhan Vong War.
* During the early days of the Dark Nest Crisis, Luke used the Force to generate a lifelike copy of the Jade Shadow to fool the attacking dartships. This usage of the Force was so extreme, Luke burnt out and his face was temporarily sunken and shriveled like Palpatine's. A year later Luke applied the same trick on the DR919a, by then Luke already mastered the technique and would no longer burn out.
* Right before the Battle of Fondor, Luke made Caedus "see" a fleet of ships, causing him to panic in front of his navy. Luke directed it right at Caedus in general, to show him what he can do and to scare Caedus into talking with Luke.[106]
Force Ghost
* During the Kueller crisis, Luke prepared himself for death in such a way that he would become a Force ghost.
* Upon death, Luke was able to retain his consciousness in the Netherworld of the Force, and could henceforth manifest himself in spirit form.
Force Enlightenment
* The narration described Luke during the Battle of Yuuzhan'tar as a maelstrom of Force energy, a Force storm against which there was no shelter. So calm and focused that his actions were not interrupted by any thought. Luke merged with the Force to such a degree that the Jedi Master did not seem to be there, physically or as an individual personality. Luke's control over his lightsaber blade was so great that he was said to might as well have been wielding ten, or twenty lightsabers against the Vong.[96] The Solo twins were astounded seeing their uncle in such a state.
Luke Skywalker wears his signature black Jedi garments.
Luke Skywalker wears his signature black Jedi garments.
Electric Judgment
* Luke used a powerful and unique ability of the Force related to his signature green Electric Judgment in the chamber of Shimrra Jamaane. This technique had been described to look like "green sparks," which instantly killed the Slayer.
Force Defend
* While battling UnuThul, Luke was able to resist the combined Force power of the Colony and triumph. When UnuThul attempted to Force Push the Grand Master, Luke rooted himself in the heart of the Force so strongly that it was said that he had become the very essence of the immovable object, and that not even the black hole at the center of the galaxy could not move him.[97]
Force Healing
* On only the trip back to Hapes after the duel, Luke used a Jedi healing trance to heal most of the damage caused by Lumiya.
Force Stasis
* During the battle of Kuat, Luke was able to use the Force to such a degree that he didn't even have to move to immobilize Jacen. It is important to note that Jacen was at this time a full Sith Lord, and he still couldn't break free.
Force Concealment
* When Luke learned that his son assassinated Cal Omas under Jacen's orders, he confronted Jacen about it. After learning that his nephew was ready to kill the apprentices he held hostage at the academy on Ossus and that he was ready to sacrifice anyone for GA victory, he concealed his Force presence and went to his StealthX to leave the Battle of Kashyyyk. This almost made Jacen believe he was hallucinating the entire argument he had with his uncle.
* During the Battle of Kashyyyk, Luke shut his presence down after being fired upon by Jaina to make it seem like he died. Later while Ben was in the Embrace of Pain, Jacen gave Ben back his ability to sense the Force temporarily and Ben felt the life force of his father and realized Luke was shutting himself down to everyone except Ben, something no other Jedi has been able to do.
Master Lightsaber Combatant
* Luke Skywalker's use of Form V is probably as much instinctive as trained. On Bespin, Luke revealed that he was an extraordinarily gifted duelist after only one brief session with Obi-Wan Kenobi and a short time of study with Yoda. After that fateful duel, Luke studied some lightsaber skills from Kenobi's journal and greatly advanced his abilities. Without a Master, it was Luke's unparalleled aptitude, which contributed in the impossible advancement of his skills. Onboard the second Death Star, Luke mirrored Darth Vader's own Form V technique and responded with his own furious demonstration of Form V's raw power. Observing swordsmen such as Palpatine might be astonished at such instantaneous learning in a lightsaber duel. Finally, Luke was able to duel Vader on an even footing, and defeated the experienced Dark Lord. However, Luke's particular form of lightsaber combat may in the end be something entirely new, with traces of Form III, Form IV and Form V mixed together with his own techniques. It is doubtful that Kenobi and Yoda had time to actually teach him the finer points of the combat Forms. Just like most other things about being a Jedi Knight, Luke probably had to figure out whole new fighting styles to replace the ones lost during the Great Jedi Purge. It is also probable that the Jensaarai would have passed on knowledge of the lightsaber forms of the Old Jedi Order since their founders were former Jedi Knights and Padawans. He also mastered the strong style, a form of lightsaber combat that resembles Djem So that is used in the New Jedi Order.[70][60]
* Luke's abilities with a lightsaber and the Force allowed him to fight his way through countless Yuuzhan Vong warriors in the Sacred Precinct. After defeating numerous Yuuzhan Vong warriors in the Citadel Luke defeated more than five Slayers; while Kyp Durron, one of the most powerful Jedi of his time, could not best even the Slayers who were exposed to Alpha Red. Afterwards, Luke slew Supreme Overlord Shimrra Jamaane, who was stated to be the best warrior of the Yuuzhan Vong, despite just being injured by the poison of the Scepter of Power.
* Inverse Dun Moch: Luke applied the very opposite of Dun Möch on board the second Death Star by infusing love into Darth Vader's heart through spoken words. The young Jedi was successful—Anakin Skywalker ultimately redeemed himself and brought balance to the Force.
* Cho mai: Luke managed to defeat the reborn Emperor Palpatine in a lightsaber duel, slicing off his hand with cho mai. It should be noted that Palpatine was perhaps one of the best swordsmen in lightsaber history, and even Yoda, Luke's own master, was unable to defeat him. Leia, who was watching the fight, could hardly see the movements of Luke and the Emperor, but she sensed waves of power generating from them—dark from the Emperor, and light from Luke.[111]
* Niman/Jar'Kai: Luke displayed his amazing dueling skills with dual blades during the Yuuzhan Vong War. Regardless of receiving formal Jar'Kai training or not, Luke proved to be one of the best dual blades-duelists in his era.
* Right after a battle with UnuThul, wounded and using only his left hand to hold a lightsaber, Luke defeated Lomi Plo, who was wielding two lightsabers.
* Luke defeated his son in a sparring match without even igniting his lightsaber, and for part of the duel, without taking a step at all.
* Despite sustaining severe chest injuries from a lightwhip, including lung damage, and the loss of his prosthetic right arm, Luke continued to duel Lumiya, eventually defeating her.
* After Mara's death, Luke fought Lumiya with only his lightsaber and still was victorious.
* Luke dueled Jacen in one on one combat and eventually defeated him, only sparing him because if he finished him Ben would be lost to the Dark Side.
* Darth Caedus considered himself the greatest lightsaber duelist in the galaxy, except for Luke, who he considered possibly the greatest lightsaber duelist there ever was. This is a startling admittion, coming from the now Dark Lord of the Sith.
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HA from a wannabe dark lord of the Sith
Please the other sith look at Jacen, point there fingers and laugh
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Quinten_JarVos posted:
Please the other sith look at Jacen, point there fingers and laugh
That is true actually, the Sith on Korriban see Jacen as a distraction for the GA from their swelling numbers. Obviously in the Legacy comics era.
Still, Luke=Best, most powerful Jedi that ever lived ! Including Master Yoda 
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See for me.. Darth Revan
Powers and abilities
"What can I say? I'm a talented individual."
―Revan[src]
Revan had a wide variety of skills and abilities. The most prominent are listed below:
Force adept
"Revan was power. It was like staring into the heart of the Force."
―Kreia[src]
Revan was an incredibly talented and diligent student of the Force—perhaps the most gifted of his time—and eventually, by all accounts, became a very powerful Force practitioner. As one of the few individuals in galactic history to reach the heights of Sith power and return to the Jedi, he proved himself highly skilled in the use of both the dark and light sides of the Force.[1]
Military commander
"His strategies and tactics defeated the best of us. Even Mandalore himself was taken aback by the ferocity of his attacks, the tenacity of his defenses and the subtlety of his plans."
―Canderous Ordo[src]
Revan was often credited as an expert strategist and tactician. Certain individuals, such as Canderous Ordo, went as far as to place almost the entirety of the Republic's success during the Mandalorian Wars on his shoulders[1]. Likewise, before his capture during the Jedi Civil War, there were those that believed that it was only a matter of time before he conquered the entire galaxy[2].
To the Mandalorians, Revan represented a supremely worthy foe—one that both embodied their philosophies and showed them their weaknesses[1]. The Echani, on the other hand, believed that Revan represented the epitome of what one could achieve in the arts of war, and that his skill was born out of a highly advanced battle precognition[2].
Warrior
"You, Revan, are the single greatest warrior of this age, and any battle we fight will bring me honor."
―Canderous Ordo[src]
Revan also possessed great skill as a warrior. He defeated a number of high profile and skilled adversaries in his lifetime, including the former general and Echani senator Yusanis, Mandalore the Ultimate, and Darth Malak. Perhaps one of his more impressive feats was his single-handed slaying of a pair of terentatek in the depths of Naga Sadow's tomb..[1]
Leader
"I hear he was a very powerful man. Very charismatic."
―Yuthura Ban[src]
Revan was widely regarded as an incredibly charismatic leader. At a relatively young age, he managed to persuade a significant portion of the Jedi Order to rebel against the High Council and led them into battle against the Mandalorians.[1] Likewise, at the end of the war, all but one of the Jedi that had followed him—the Jedi Exile—were converted to the dark side of the Force.[2]
"Ah, but to make officers turn on their own people, to bomb innocent worlds to make pacts… strong influence, indeed."
―Kreia[src]
However, it is possible, given his studying and apparent understanding of Force bonding techniques, that he was deliberately utilizing a similar process to that unconsciously carried out by the Jedi Exile. This would seem to be supported by Kreia, who told the Jedi Exile that manipulating and using his followers through the Force had been "Revan's way".[2] Similarly, Kreia suggested that the reason for Revan's success in converting so many Jedi to the dark side was because he understood how to take advantage of wounds in the Force.
Polyglot
"Between that and your facility with languages, I'm lucky you're here."
―Carth Onasi[src]
Revan had a remarkable affinity for languages, such as Basic, Mando'a,[24] Shyriiwook, Binary, and the Selkath and Rakatan languages[1]. It is unknown whether this was an intuitive understanding born of his Force sensitivity or the result of his previous application of Force techniques. Interestingly, he was unable to understand the language of the Sand People, requiring the use of HK-47 as an interpreter.
Author
"Why? The manuscripts contain the wisdom of the ancient Sith. I have learned much about the ways of the dark side from them."
―Darth Bane[src]
During his reign as the Dark Lord, Revan wrote a book entitled The Rakata and the Unknown World. Approximately 3,000 years later, the book was still in the Korriban Academy's archives. It is possible that Revan wrote more volumes during his time as the Dark Lord.[15]
Mechanic
"His passion for such tools, for things dead to the Force, defies me."
―Kreia[src]
Revan was apparently, like Anakin Skywalker millennia later, a skilled mechanic. Shortly after the Battle of Malachor V, he built the sophisticated "protocol droid," HK-47.[2] He also displayed this skill during his time searching for the Star Forge, when he was able to repair HK-47 enough to regain many of his old memories and combat programs. However, HK's memories of his previous service with Revan would remain locked deep in his memory core and untouchable until Malak's revelation.[1] He proved adept at repairing abandoned, decommissioned, or rusted droids encountered on his journey and could program them to fight for him.
Swoop racer
Revan races his swoop.
Revan races his swoop.
"You did it—you got the top time! You just beat racers who've been doing this for twenty years! This is amazing!"
―Hidden Bek mechanic[src]
Revan proved himself adept at racing swoop bikes. His first known taste of the sport was on Taris, where he defeated the veteran Black Vulkar racer Redros, taking the Sector Championship to win Bastila's freedom. He continued to compete professionally, eventually winning both the Tatooine and Manaan sector championships.[1]
Sorry, Revan All the way
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maybe this should be in the light vs dark thread
BUT ....
seriously dude...did you read what aspects of the Force Luke has mastered ???
There isn't anything the Sith could throw at him he wouldn't be able to handle. What did Revan do really that other Sith couldn't ? Master tactician...beat worthy foes, beat the Mando's ? The who ..?? 
Wrote a book... Nah, Luke'd kick his Sith butt if they lived in the same era
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You've obviously never played KOTOR 
The man is a legend and icon, the iotola of rock and rolla :P
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MS,
it came out of the mouth of the Master himself.......Uncle George has STATED - Anakin was the most gifted force user.
Ever.
Period.
End of Story.
No further discussion is to be entered into......
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