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leektar Registered: Jul '08	Date Posted: 7/23 5:01am Subject: A message from the CR
	oz_skipp posted: But seriously, if I brought 10, 20, 50 people onto these boards to join up and post a few times and then vote for me, would that be fair? This is what we're trying to avoid. I can only assume that I am one of the people that you are referring to here, as I have only been a member for approx 12 months, (it may be a little less than that) Skipp. To be fair, I've been involved in the Star Wars community here in South Australia longer than you (or most here for that matter) have Skipp, but until recently it was in the "background" and doing the ground work for things that e-i was trying to get off the ground. I've jointly held more functions at our house EVEN THOUGH I'M NOT A STAR WARS FAN (and it has always been the same people attending all the time, even though invitations have been open to all and sundry - you see the same people at all the events, dinners, etc that are organised - I'm sorry, but to me, they are the core members of this group, not those that pop up once in a blue moon), yet it looks as though my voice in who I would like to run this group will not be heard as I'm unable to attend RL meetings.... quite interesting. For me, it wasn't about Star Wars - it was about joining in something that e-i was involved in (maybe even to do things as a family with e-i jnr) and the friendships that had evolved from these events. e-i has done more for Star Wars in SA than most other people, but he has never been in it for the recognition, or to be known as Mr Star Wars. The people who voted in the last election were FAR MORE active here than those who remain yet are being treated like foreign invaders. These people were largely the backbone & driving force behind this place but that seems to have been forgotten somehow. It looks like history is being overwritten. Just my two cents and opinion, although I don't know if it is worth anything anymore .....
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Obi-Wan_Toddi Title: CR: SAFF Registered: Feb '05	Date Posted: 7/23 6:13am Subject: A message from the CR
	leektar posted: ... yet it looks as though my voice in who I would like to run this group will not be heard as I'm unable to attend RL meetings.... quite interesting. That is interesting. So you were able to attend events before, but now you're unable to. Is there a reason you cannot attend, as you have been able to in the past? leektar posted: The people who voted in the last election were FAR MORE active here than those who remain yet are being treated like foreign invaders. So you are saying that those people who currently post on SAFF aren't as active as those who have now left? If there's one thing to be said for the people who are currently posting on SAFF, is that they haven't left. Regardless of what SAFF goes through, they don't leave. There have been tough times for SAFF, but these people still stay and support it. No-one who posts on SAFF has been treated like foreign invaders, from any post that I have read. People post, people respond, people interact. That's how it goes. -----signature----- Come to the lightside ... we have chocolate! Australia's First General Kenobi http://www.billywigs.com/ "Fail with honour rather than succeed by fraud" - TCW Ep12 http://www.km4kt.com/
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oz_skipp Title: Second In Charge - SAFF Registered: Apr '04	Date Posted: 7/23 7:35am Subject: A message from the CR - Date Edited: 7/23 7:39am (1 edits total) Edited By: oz_skipp
	leektar posted: I can only assume that I am one of the people that you are referring to here, as I have only been a member for approx 12 months, (it may be a little less than that) Skipp. No, I wasn't actually, but I guess I can see that it might be seen that way. leektar posted: To be fair, I've been involved in the Star Wars community here in South Australia longer than you (or most here for that matter) have Skipp, Whilst I'm not one for trying to 'one up' others, I was at the first PARSEC meeting 10+ years back and have been involved in some form or another ever since. If you've been around doing stuff for longer with EI, great. But I've been a fan for the better part of the last 27 years and have loved most of the community based stuff. Until lately that is but everything has its ups and downs. leektar posted: I'm sorry, but to me, they are the core members of this group, not those that pop up once in a blue moon), See above. I've been around for years. I love collecting SW stuff. Hell, when SAFF and Parsec started, I was always a little surprised at the lack of SW talk in small groups...but then I grew up a bit, haha, and was able to discuss other fun things with people. I am, to be honest, a little tired of the "you're not as big a SW fan/core member as me" sentiment that I've got from a few people of late (sorry if it seems you're copping the brunt of it here). I've been called a "fringe" player in the not to distant past, something I was rather taken aback by. leektar posted: yet it looks as though my voice in who I would like to run this group will not be heard as I'm unable to attend RL meetings.... Why is that? I've seen you at bowling, parties, picnics, dinners? And at costumed events too. leektar posted: For me, it wasn't about Star Wars - it was about joining in something tat e-i was involved in (maybe even to do things as a family with e-i jnr) and the friendships that had evolved from these events. Indeed. That's more of why I'm involved these days. Same for many people I'd imagine. Which makes it all the more amazing that in the last couple of months: 1) A snide remark or two was made in the direction of Jen about her involvement, even though she's been part of all this with me through the years (and has made several SW costumes). 2) I've had similar implications made. Meh, I'll cope. 3) SMS, nasty emails, Facebook friend deletions have all occured in my direction. Again, I'll cope, but it saddens me nonetheless. For something that supposedly revolves around friendship and a common bond, this just shouldn't happen. Tightening up the rules a little will hopefully ensure that those that are involved are passionate and want to be involved online and in person. Part of the FF charter, I believe, requires in person events, this is just a slight extension of it. And, without wanting to muddy the waters at all, I suppose exemptions could made for legit reasons (whatever they may be). leektar posted: The people who voted in the last election were FAR MORE active here than those who remain yet are being treated like foreign invaders. These people were largely the backbone & driving force behind this place but that seems to have been forgotten somehow. It looks like history is being overwritten. I disagree. I've been around since (almost) the beginning (as I've mentioned before, I tried to set up a SAFF, but dialup sucked and I just couldn't get it to work...next time I came back, AD had done it), so I don't have any qualms about backing up my interest or involvement. But: 1) Where has anyone been treated like an invader? I'd sincerely love to try to get 'everyone' back together in SAFF if they chose to or want to. 2) No-one is being forgotten or history being rewritten. But, that's not to say that the 'code of conduct' isn't aimed at trying to move forward. So, to move this discussion forward, I ask, what is a reasonable number of events to attend over a 12 month period (noting that both costumed and non-costumed/informal events count)? One? Two? Three? -----signature----- The official website of ROOT! the band - http://www.roottheband.com.au/ Support me during Movember 2009: http://au.movember.com/mospace/21391 Llamasoft make great games. Never heard of them? Go to http://www.llamasoft.co.uk/
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leektar Registered: Jul '08	Date Posted: 7/23 3:32pm Subject: A message from the CR
	Obi-Wan_Toddi posted: leektar posted: ... yet it looks as though my voice in who I would like to run this group will not be heard as I'm unable to attend RL meetings.... quite interesting. That is interesting. So you were able to attend events before, but now you're unable to. Is there a reason you cannot attend, as you have been able to in the past? Now Toddi, please don't try to play dumb - as the newly nominated CR, you know why I can't attend any RL events any more, and, if you don't, if you are ever lucky enough to have a family of your own, maybe then you will realise...... Obi-Wan_Toddi posted: [quote=leektar] So you are saying that those people who currently post on SAFF aren't as active as those who have now left? If there's one thing to be said for the people who are currently posting on SAFF, is that they haven't left. Regardless of what SAFF goes through, they don't leave. There have been tough times for SAFF, but these people still stay and support it. Aside from e-i, who has actually said that they are leaving SAFF?? I have never said it - but I must say, there are quite a few people who have gone MIA in recent months - maybe real life has just got in the way and they are doing things outside of the internet now .... You took a break from the boards when M-S originally took over as CR, maybe others just need a break now as well ....
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leektar Registered: Jul '08	Date Posted: 7/23 3:47pm Subject: A message from the CR
	oz_skipp posted: Whilst I'm not one for trying to 'one up' others, I was at the first PARSEC meeting 10+ years back and have been involved in some form or another ever since. If you've been around doing stuff for longer with EI, great. But I've been a fan for the better part of the last 27 years and have loved most of the community based stuff. Until lately that is but everything has its ups and downs. I'm glad you were at the first PARSEC meeting, Skipp, at least I know that all my efforts in organising it paid off and you were able to enjoy it ...... behind everything great man with an idea or a vision is an even greater woman, who generally does all the organising, photocopying and making phone calls to get things off the ground.
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leektar Registered: Jul '08	Date Posted: 7/23 4:10pm Subject: A message from the CR
	oz_skipp posted: So, to move this discussion forward, I ask, what is a reasonable number of events to attend over a 12 month period (noting that both costumed and non-costumed/informal events count)? One? Two? Three? My idea of reasonable is not a number set in stone - I believe that it should be attending the MAJORITY of events. If 8 events are organised over the course of 12 months, attending 4 - 5 of them shouldn't be too hard for anyone. Most events organised (non-costumed) aren't on a strict day - there is generally a list of dates, and the date where most people can attend is generally taken (eg New Years in August). Attending an event every 3 months shouldn't be a stretch for those that enjoy the friendships that have been made with this group. We all make the effort to catch up with other groups of friends more often than once every three months .... Even those who don't own costumes (and I was one of those) are always welcome at the "costumed events". It should be remembered that whilst a fair few “costumed” events were organised, there are always people required to wrangle & be the “face” of SAFF. People without costumes were never made to feel lesser than those with, they are actually WANTED there to help those "dressed up".
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MarcusP2 Title: Manager Emeritus Registered: Jul '04	Date Posted: 7/24 4:37am Subject: A message from the CR - Date Edited: 7/24 5:38am (2 edits total) Edited By: MarcusP2
	...was there serious talk of this being a breach of the equal opportunity act? Ask your lawyer friend about this: Equal Opportunity Act s5 Definitions posted: "impairment" means intellectual impairment or physical impairment; "intellectual impairment" means permanent or temporary loss or imperfect development of mental faculties (except where attributable to mental illness) resulting in reduced intellectual capacity; "physical impairment" means— (a) the total or partial loss of any function of the body; or (b) the total or partial loss of any part of the body; or (c) the malfunctioning of any part of the body; or (d) the malformation or disfigurement of any part of the body, whether permanent or temporary, but does not include intellectual impairment or mental illness; I don't see anything on there about post counts. Anyway under this structure I wouldn't be able to vote, because I attend only a couple of events a year. But I don't care that I don't vote because I only attend a couple of events a year. -----signature----- Darth Revan Fan Club: Technical Specialist Uncle Eddie was my favourite wrestler Gentle Giant owns my bank account.
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Obi-Wan_Toddi Title: CR: SAFF Registered: Feb '05	Date Posted: 7/24 7:27am Subject: A message from the CR
	leektar posted: Now Toddi, please don't try to play dumb - as the newly nominated CR, you know why I can't attend any RL events any more, and, if you don't, if you are ever lucky enough to have a family of your own, maybe then you will realise...... Sorry, but I'm honestly not aware as to why you can't attend RL events anymore. If you'd rather PM me about it instead of posting here, feel free. leektar posted: You took a break from the boards when M-S originally took over as CR A check of my post history shows otherwise ... Marcus, thanks for the additional info regarding the EO Act! Hopefully there are a range of activities that everyone can get to over the year. -----signature----- Come to the lightside ... we have chocolate! Australia's First General Kenobi http://www.billywigs.com/ "Fail with honour rather than succeed by fraud" - TCW Ep12 http://www.km4kt.com/
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Obi-Wan_Toddi Title: CR: SAFF Registered: Feb '05	Date Posted: 7/26 4:53am Subject: A message from the CR
	So, discussion has ended. Thanks to everyone who lent their views. The new thread is now up, pinned, so please read and sign! -----signature----- Come to the lightside ... we have chocolate! Australia's First General Kenobi http://www.billywigs.com/ "Fail with honour rather than succeed by fraud" - TCW Ep12 http://www.km4kt.com/
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TYKEN_BLADE Registered: May '04	Date Posted: 8/5 7:35am Subject: A message from the CR
	Should we lock the thread now? -----signature----- Sith Assassin...... Demolition Expert Brother to Adalia Durron ( But far more evil ) Builder of the most lethal weapons known TR3013 ..........501st TAG.... SNEAKY LURKER Don't mess with the Sith.
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Adalia-Durron Title: Oceania RSA Registered: Jun '03	Date Posted: 8/6 5:44am Subject: A message from the CR
	This one or that one? Wont lock that one, so newbies can sign it, and wont lock this one so people will read it and know to sign the other. If I lock it, it will slip off the page. -----signature----- New Jedi Order Fan Club - Grand Admiral Wild Knightz Lead. Age is part of what makes women beautiful, not an imperfection that needs to be corrected RIP Master Rhysige of NSW - Gone too soon & too young. http://www.km4kt.com/ SIGN UP FOR KATIE!!!!
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