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Sithman Registered: Jul '99	Date Posted: 3/17/01 10:00am Subject: I GET IT! I REALLY GET IT! - Date Edited: 1/18/05 10:11pm (1 edits total) Edited By: General Kenobi
	catches breath Okay, here's the deal, you know how many Star Wars fans will now say that Anakin's theme should be in the SE of ROTJ when Vader finally picks up the Emperor and tosses him over the edge in the Death Star II? Well, it DOES seem to work, and I kind of agreed..... until now! I was doing my normal Satuday morning chores with my CD Walkman (the ones that NEVER skip ) and ROTJ playing. I was thinking about that specific scene with Vader and the Emp and Annie's theme and all. Then it hit me. The reason JW used the Force Theme is because in a way, it's also the Jedi theme, since they use the Force. You see, the moment Vader picked up the Emperor, THAT was the 'return of the Jedi'. That moment is when the Jedi returned after 10 years of disappearance. Luke had confronted Vader (making him a Jedi), but he was dying and there would be no more Jedi. When Vader picked Palpy up, he returned to being a Jedi, and the Jedi order survived - or "Returned"- because Luke lived on. So, in a nutshell, the reason JW used the force theme is because he signaled the Return of the Jedi with their theme playing loudly and powerfully! Whoa, that was quite a mouthful, I just figured that out and I'm glad to share it with you. ~Sithman~ the sithiest J.E.D.I. around! -----signature----- Sithy in the mornin', Sithy in the evenin', Sithy at suppertime; When Sithman's on the JC, you can be Sithy anytime!
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Y2Jedi Registered: Jan '01	Date Posted: 3/17/01 10:37am Subject: RE: I GET IT! I REALLY GET IT!
	I can agree with that. I have always associated the Force theme w/the Jedi. So what you said makes perfect sense. -----signature----- All hail Wilhelmus! Who's more foolish, the fool or the fool that follows him?
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Idgie Registered: Mar '01	Date Posted: 3/17/01 4:19pm Subject: RE: I GET IT! I REALLY GET IT!
	Very Good,sithman!!I've always believed that the title "Return of the Jedi"was indicative of more than one thing also.Not only Vader's return, but Luke's ascension.The use of the force theme in that scene was definitely to show that Anakin had returned from the darkness. Coincidentally,that same theme is also "Obi-Wan's theme" as well. Now...I would like to challenge you to find other uses of that same theme in the films and talk about what you think it means in those particular scenes. How about I start?Okay...In the "Phantom Menace" when Qui-Gon is cutting through that door,we hear the theme.The instrumentation of the theme is very brash and up front,I thought that this showed Qui-Gon's total determination and focus. Hey,this should be fun -----signature----- 'That's the thing about archaeology - it forces you to learn from the past' -Lara Croft 'Mummies don't understand English,dumb ass!' 'I'm telling you,a mummy with a magic lightsaber attacked me!'
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Jedi Bib Registered: Apr '00	Date Posted: 3/17/01 4:23pm Subject: RE: I GET IT! I REALLY GET IT!
	Go Sithy!!! -----signature----- I'm not making this up.
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Sithman Registered: Jul '99	Date Posted: 3/17/01 7:38pm Subject: RE: I GET IT! I REALLY GET IT!
	Heh, glad I could share it with you all. Sorry if I sounded a little hyper up there, I was just REALLY pumped! More comments please! ~Sithman~ the sithiest J.E.D.I. around! -----signature----- Sithy in the mornin', Sithy in the evenin', Sithy at suppertime; When Sithman's on the JC, you can be Sithy anytime!
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Crystena77 Registered: Jun '99	Date Posted: 3/17/01 8:24pm Subject: RE: I GET IT! I REALLY GET IT!
	I like that idea, Sithman. Good thinking. -----signature----- The surest sign that there is intelligent life on other planets is that no one has ever tried to get in touch with us.
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JediGemini Registered: Nov '00	Date Posted: 3/17/01 9:07pm Subject: RE: I GET IT! I REALLY GET IT!
	Great job, Sithman! That is really very cool! I do believe I agree with you. -----signature----- "He french-fried when he should have pizza'd! If you french fry instead of pizza, you're gonna have a bad time." (Thumper, South Park) http://www.chicagoforce.org
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jamesdrax Registered: Aug '00	Date Posted: 3/17/01 11:34pm Subject: RE: I GET IT! I REALLY GET IT!
	No, I like it as it is. -----signature----- "Your views are as narrow as your tie." - Bernard Herrmann
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Sithman Registered: Jul '99	Date Posted: 3/18/01 6:23am Subject: RE: I GET IT! I REALLY GET IT!
	Er, wait, are you agreeing with me or not? I can't really tell, James. ~Sithman~ the sithiest J.E.D.I. around! -----signature----- Sithy in the mornin', Sithy in the evenin', Sithy at suppertime; When Sithman's on the JC, you can be Sithy anytime!
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waheennay Registered: Sep '00	Date Posted: 3/18/01 1:55pm Subject: RE: I GET IT! I REALLY GET IT!
	Vader throwing the Emperor into the abyss was one of the great moments of the trilogy, and Williams' music really enhances it. -----signature----- U2's Sweetest Thing; "A blue-eyed boy meets a brown-eyed girl Oh oh oh the sweetest thing"
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Cindé of Naboo Registered: Apr '00	Date Posted: 3/19/01 10:42am Subject: RE: I GET IT! I REALLY GET IT!
	The Force theme definitely fits in there; overcoming the Emperor's theme as the symbol of the good side overcoming the dark side. Wonderful! That part always makes me teary-eyed. As for other uses of the Force theme, how about when Luke is calling out to Leia on Cloud City (well, under Cloud City) in ESB, and the Force theme comes pulsing in, pounding almost like a heart beat? I think that's very appropriate for the bond between brother and sister. -----signature----- See TPM from Another Point of View http://boards.theforce.net/message.asp?topic=1162409&page=1 Clone Wars - heh! Wars not make one great. Unabashed Skywalker gusher A single family can save an entire galaxy
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Tellesto Registered: Dec '99	Date Posted: 3/19/01 12:39pm Subject: RE: I GET IT! I REALLY GET IT!
	I like the Force theme in there, it has some amazing sybolic style and essence to it.
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Idgie Registered: Mar '01	Date Posted: 3/19/01 12:51pm Subject: RE: I GET IT! I REALLY GET IT!
	Nice on Cinde!:) Here's one you may already know.How about the use of the Force theme at the awards ceremony in ANH,to show how the virtues of Obi-Wan led Luke to victory? I also liked how the theme was used in TPM when Anakin was leaving his mother.That was very symbolic of his "heeding" the call of the Force. -----signature----- 'That's the thing about archaeology - it forces you to learn from the past' -Lara Croft 'Mummies don't understand English,dumb ass!' 'I'm telling you,a mummy with a magic lightsaber attacked me!'
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Lord Mauly Mall Title: TFN/JC Banner Artist Team Registered: Oct '99	Date Posted: 3/19/01 12:57pm Subject: RE: I GET IT! I REALLY GET IT!
	Took you long enough, Sithman. Didn't you ever wonder why the Imperial March wasn't playing when Vader threw Palpatine into the core? Because the Jedi in him overtook the Sith and the Jedi theme is the same as the Force theme and Obi-Wan's theme. -----signature----- ¤TheForce.net staff My TFN & JC Banners...before the dark times... • http://www.geocities.com/lord_mall/TFN_graphics.html . mobile site: http://www.geocities.com/lord_mall/index3.html The irony was not lost on him.
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Sithman Registered: Jul '99	Date Posted: 3/19/01 3:20pm Subject: RE: I GET IT! I REALLY GET IT!
	\\hurt look on face\\ ~Sithman~ the sithiest J.E.D.I. around! -----signature----- Sithy in the mornin', Sithy in the evenin', Sithy at suppertime; When Sithman's on the JC, you can be Sithy anytime!
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DarthBoba Registered: Jun '00	Date Posted: 3/23/01 8:24am Subject: RE: I GET IT! I REALLY GET IT!
	Coolness...I never really thought about that idea; Anakin's Theme just doesn't seem to fit the overall 'mood' of the scene. A place, IMO, where it would fit: Anakin's death scene. Don't get me wrong, the one-instrument Imperial March is great, but this is Anakin who's dying, not Vader, and it should be his theme that's playing. -----signature----- Bantam-Spectra To Release Glove Of Darth Vader, Jedi Academy Trilogy, and Darksaber in special limited-edition 'Dark Hand Of Mediocrity' box set
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