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Darth_Vader-Anakin Registered: Jul '02	Date Posted: 7/13/07 8:14am Subject: RE: Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix [NO SPOILERS] - Date Edited: 7/13/07 8:16am (2 edits total) Edited By: Darth_Vader-Anakin
	After rearranging the score chronologically, I think it works better than the completely random mish-mash it was in before. It gives a more dramatic arch, like the film, but it's still is not the best listen on its own. It just works much better in the film. I'm not sure that I felt any of the music was anit-climatic necessarily (although his action music could use some work), but there were two scenes that stood out to me as scored inappropriately. The first was when Harry and his friends leave to rescue Sirius at the Ministry. I felt the music for that flight was wrong for the moment. It was filled with too much magical wonder and not tense and dramatic like the moment called for. I also thought the fight between Dumbledore and Voldermort should have been scored. Most likely this was Yate's decision and not Hoopers. I don't mind scenes that aren't scored, but that one really seemed to be lacking without music behind it.
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Strilo Title: Manager • Music • Prequel Trilogy Registered: Aug '01	Date Posted: 7/13/07 9:58am Subject: RE: Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix [NO SPOILERS]
	Anti-climactic is the wrong word. Flat is better. Some moments in the film just fall flat musically. -----signature----- #1 on iTunes Most Played: R.E.M. "Imitation of Life" #1 on iTunes Film Scores: Harry Potter "A Window to the Past" * * * * * * "And therefore blah blah blah your mom..."
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Darth_Vader-Anakin Registered: Jul '02	Date Posted: 7/15/07 5:06pm Subject: RE: Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix [NO SPOILERS]
	Music from the Movies has written about the most accurate and level-headed review of this score thus far. Although I disagree with the reviewer that all the films with the exception of PoA have been awful. The films have ranged from good (Philosopher's Stone, Chamber of Secrets, Goblet of Fire) to quite good (Order of the Phoenix) and very good (Prisoner of Azkaban). To make a 2.5 hour film out a 870 page book is no easy task and Yates and Goldenberg did a remarkable job as far as I'm concerned.
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Strilo Title: Manager • Music • Prequel Trilogy Registered: Aug '01	Date Posted: 7/15/07 5:21pm Subject: RE: Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix [NO SPOILERS]
	Right because he agrees with you, somehow his review is "level-headed." How utterly transparent. -----signature----- #1 on iTunes Most Played: R.E.M. "Imitation of Life" #1 on iTunes Film Scores: Harry Potter "A Window to the Past" * * * * * * "And therefore blah blah blah your mom..."
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Darth_Vader-Anakin Registered: Jul '02	Date Posted: 7/15/07 5:28pm Subject: RE: Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix [NO SPOILERS] - Date Edited: 7/15/07 5:30pm (1 edits total) Edited By: Darth_Vader-Anakin
	No, that's not what I mean at all. It's level-headed because he actually reviewed it after seeing the film. All the other reviews I've read from soundtrack sites have been written without seeing the film. Many other reviewers talk about the music needing to be darker or whatnot and they admit in their reviews that they've not seen the films.
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Strilo Title: Manager • Music • Prequel Trilogy Registered: Aug '01	Date Posted: 7/15/07 5:36pm Subject: RE: Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix [NO SPOILERS]
	I reviewed it after I saw the film and I still say it's weak and uninteresting. -----signature----- #1 on iTunes Most Played: R.E.M. "Imitation of Life" #1 on iTunes Film Scores: Harry Potter "A Window to the Past" * * * * * * "And therefore blah blah blah your mom..."
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Darth_Vader-Anakin Registered: Jul '02	Date Posted: 7/15/07 5:45pm Subject: RE: Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix [NO SPOILERS]
	That's fine. You're entitled to your opinion no matter how much I disagree with it. I was referring to well established review sites that aren't giving the score a fair chance by reviewing it having not seen the film. If they want to review as a lousy listening experience, that's fine, but they shouldn't be saying such and such track should be darker or more romantic when they don't have a clue what scene its accompanying.
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Strilo Title: Manager • Music • Prequel Trilogy Registered: Aug '01	Date Posted: 7/15/07 6:13pm Subject: RE: Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix [NO SPOILERS]
	Yes but if they've read the book, they have a certain amount of leeway there. -----signature----- #1 on iTunes Most Played: R.E.M. "Imitation of Life" #1 on iTunes Film Scores: Harry Potter "A Window to the Past" * * * * * * "And therefore blah blah blah your mom..."
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Darth_Vader-Anakin Registered: Jul '02	Date Posted: 7/15/07 6:21pm Subject: RE: Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix [NO SPOILERS]
	Yes and no. While the movies have been as close to the books as they can to work filmicly (new word, I know), the reviewers can't always no what's going on. For example, the scene in Dumbledore's office at the end of the film is drastically different in the book.
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General Kenobi Title: Administrator Emeritus Registered: Dec '98	Date Posted: 7/15/07 8:09pm Subject: RE: Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix [NO SPOILERS]
	Hey there. I haven't seen the film yet, but I'm just popping in to say that this thread can now have full discussion and spoilers are permitted.
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Strilo Title: Manager • Music • Prequel Trilogy Registered: Aug '01	Date Posted: 7/15/07 8:57pm Subject: RE: Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix [Spoilers Allowed]
	Right but when they say "the music for the kiss was too understated" or the music for Sirius' death was boring. Or even that there was a lack of thematic development, they know at least a little of what they are talking about. -----signature----- #1 on iTunes Most Played: R.E.M. "Imitation of Life" #1 on iTunes Film Scores: Harry Potter "A Window to the Past" * * * * * * "And therefore blah blah blah your mom..."
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Darth_Vader-Anakin Registered: Jul '02	Date Posted: 7/15/07 10:44pm Subject: RE: Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix [Spoilers Allowed]
	Yes, they can certainly talk about the lack of thematic development, but to comment on specific moments from the film without seeing it, even if they have read the book, seems premature. For example, two or three reviews have stated that "The Kiss" is not romantic enough. Well, when first hearing the album, I felt the same thing, but felt completely different after seeing the film. The scene really is quite awkward and not overly romantic at all. Seconds before the kiss happens, we see an upset Cho staring a photo of her dead boyfriend wondering how he could have been saved. She obviously wasn't in the best state of mind. Not to mention the two of them are extremely shy and awkward at the time. It may not be interesting to listen to on its own, but it serves the scene very well indeed. As for Sirius' death, I retract my earlier statement about it being scored very well. I don't think it's scored poorly, but after seeing the film for a second this afternoon, I do feel the moment could have been more powerful. It just passed too quickly. I understand that they didn't want to be overly melodramatic, but I don't think it was handled as well as it should have been.
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Strilo Title: Manager • Music • Prequel Trilogy Registered: Aug '01	Date Posted: 7/15/07 11:06pm Subject: RE: Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix [Spoilers Allowed]
	I thought the Kiss was scored fine. Sirius' death was one of the moments I felt fell musically flat. I also feel that way about Fred and George's exit from Hogwart's and a few other places. -----signature----- #1 on iTunes Most Played: R.E.M. "Imitation of Life" #1 on iTunes Film Scores: Harry Potter "A Window to the Past" * * * * * * "And therefore blah blah blah your mom..."
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Darth_Vader-Anakin Registered: Jul '02	Date Posted: 7/15/07 11:20pm Subject: RE: Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix [Spoilers Allowed]
	Yeah, I'm not crazy about Fred and George's exit either. Even though most of the score is quite simple and minimalistic, their exit just sounds generic. And It reminded me too much of the Irish jig from Doyle's score.
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Strilo Title: Manager • Music • Prequel Trilogy Registered: Aug '01	Date Posted: 7/15/07 11:25pm Subject: RE: Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix [Spoilers Allowed]
	I also thought the intro to the film was non existent. It seems like it just starts right out with a full orchestra statement of Hedwig's theme and that just sounds weird. -----signature----- #1 on iTunes Most Played: R.E.M. "Imitation of Life" #1 on iTunes Film Scores: Harry Potter "A Window to the Past" * * * * * * "And therefore blah blah blah your mom..."
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