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Cerrabore Registered: Jan '04	Date Posted: 8/1/07 9:03am Subject: RE: Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix [Spoilers Allowed]
	Are you kidding? Umbridge's theme is as clear as Luke Skywalker's theme. Yeah, it wasn't used for every single Umbridge moment in the film, but it's still a theme. And, Strilo, no, it's not trying to change your mind, but it's an interesting read for those who actually liked the score (yes, there are some!).
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Strilo Title: Manager • Music • Prequel Trilogy Registered: Aug '01	Date Posted: 8/1/07 9:09am Subject: RE: Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix [Spoilers Allowed]
	I disagree. The bolded sections seem aimed to address some of my objections. -----signature----- #1 on iTunes Most Played: R.E.M. "Imitation of Life" #1 on iTunes Film Scores: Harry Potter "A Window to the Past" * * * * * * "And therefore blah blah blah your mom..."
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Darth_Vader-Anakin Registered: Jul '02	Date Posted: 8/1/07 9:15am Subject: RE: Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix [Spoilers Allowed] - Date Edited: 8/1/07 9:17am (1 edits total) Edited By: Darth_Vader-Anakin
	Strilo posted: Is this, and the bolded section, supposed to somehow change my opinion of his abysmal score? Obviously not. I simply thought it was an interesting interview and the bolded section addresses the issue of the score not being thematic -- a point that many have contended. Besides those that he mentions, I've noticed several other motifs -- the DA, Harry and Sirius, Harry and Cho, and the Death Eaters/danger. His themes don't come out and grab you, they are much more subtle (minus of course Umbridge and the DA). EDIT: Strilo posted: I disagree. The bolded sections seem aimed to address some of my objections. It does address your objection of the score not being thematic. I'm showing you that there are indeed themes, but that doesn't mean I'm trying to make you like the score.
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Strilo Title: Manager • Music • Prequel Trilogy Registered: Aug '01	Date Posted: 8/1/07 9:22am Subject: RE: Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix [Spoilers Allowed]
	I am not merely wanting the score to be thematic, I am wanting it to be more in the realm of music that Williams created for the first three films. Leitmotif to me means that the themes are recognizable within the work and can be recognized after 1 or 2 viewings as being related to a character or a plot element. I've seen the film three times and can only hum Hedwig's theme. -----signature----- #1 on iTunes Most Played: R.E.M. "Imitation of Life" #1 on iTunes Film Scores: Harry Potter "A Window to the Past" * * * * * * "And therefore blah blah blah your mom..."
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Darth_Vader-Anakin Registered: Jul '02	Date Posted: 8/1/07 9:50am Subject: RE: Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix [Spoilers Allowed]
	I honestly think that some cues are very much in the vein of John Williams and his music for the first three films. With a bit more development, I can definitely imagine "The Ministry of Magic" and (specifically the beginning and last minutes or so of) "The Room of Requirement" coming from Williams' pen. I'm not sure how much closer you would want to get.
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Strilo Title: Manager • Music • Prequel Trilogy Registered: Aug '01	Date Posted: 8/1/07 12:15pm Subject: RE: Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix [Spoilers Allowed]
	Nothing I have heard sounds remotely like Williams. -----signature----- #1 on iTunes Most Played: R.E.M. "Imitation of Life" #1 on iTunes Film Scores: Harry Potter "A Window to the Past" * * * * * * "And therefore blah blah blah your mom..."
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Mar17swgirl Registered: Dec '00	Date Posted: 8/1/07 2:03pm Subject: RE: Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix [Spoilers Allowed]
	Strilo posted: Nothing I have heard sounds remotely like Williams. QFT. -----signature----- "What do you mean, there is a sign orbiting that black hole saying 'We had a Large Hadron Collider, too'???"
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Darth_Vader-Anakin Registered: Jul '02	Date Posted: 8/2/07 11:55am Subject: RE: Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix [Spoilers Allowed] - Date Edited: 8/2/07 11:56am (1 edits total) Edited By: Darth_Vader-Anakin
	Mar17swgirl posted: Strilo posted: Nothing I have heard sounds remotely like Williams. QFT. Let me use an extremely specific example then. Compare the first 45 seconds of "Room of Requirement" from OOTP to the cue that starts at 26:45 in SS. They don't share a melody, but the orchestration of twinkling bell/chimes, ethereal choir, and the whole tone of magical mystery and discovery is quite similar. I'm not saying that Hooper's material is better than Williams', but that there are moments throughout his score where he touches upon some of Williams' ideas. I'm still not trying to make anyone like the score. If you don't like it, it'd be very difficult for someone to sway your opinion, but I am trying to show that some of the assumptions being made about the complete lack of respect/use of what material came before are wrong.
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Strilo Title: Manager • Music • Prequel Trilogy Registered: Aug '01	Date Posted: 8/2/07 11:02pm Subject: RE: Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix [Spoilers Allowed]
	Well I do not have the score because I don't find it worth paying for. -----signature----- #1 on iTunes Most Played: R.E.M. "Imitation of Life" #1 on iTunes Film Scores: Harry Potter "A Window to the Past" * * * * * * "And therefore blah blah blah your mom..."
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Cerrabore Registered: Jan '04	Date Posted: 8/3/07 6:38am Subject: RE: Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix [Spoilers Allowed]
	The score was mixed ineffectively in the film, and you might have seen it with a bad theater sound system. But I'm sure you still have the full picture of what you're criticizing.
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Strilo Title: Manager • Music • Prequel Trilogy Registered: Aug '01	Date Posted: 8/3/07 7:34am Subject: RE: Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix [Spoilers Allowed]
	I saw it in a THX certified theatre with amazing sound. Three times. Why would I spend 17 bucks on a CD of a score that after three viewings of the film still is completely lackluster? -----signature----- #1 on iTunes Most Played: R.E.M. "Imitation of Life" #1 on iTunes Film Scores: Harry Potter "A Window to the Past" * * * * * * "And therefore blah blah blah your mom..."
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Mar17swgirl Registered: Dec '00	Date Posted: 8/3/07 11:48am Subject: RE: Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix [Spoilers Allowed]
	Strilo posted: Well I do not have the score because I don't find it worth paying for. I guess you know what my advice would be in this case... -----signature----- "What do you mean, there is a sign orbiting that black hole saying 'We had a Large Hadron Collider, too'???"
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Strilo Title: Manager • Music • Prequel Trilogy Registered: Aug '01	Date Posted: 8/3/07 7:42pm Subject: RE: Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix [Spoilers Allowed]
	I haven't found it at those stores, Mar... -----signature----- #1 on iTunes Most Played: R.E.M. "Imitation of Life" #1 on iTunes Film Scores: Harry Potter "A Window to the Past" * * * * * * "And therefore blah blah blah your mom..."
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Moleman1138 Title: Manager Emeritus Registered: Aug '04	Date Posted: 8/3/07 9:00pm Subject: RE: Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix [Spoilers Allowed]
	Darth_Vader-Anakin posted: Alright, correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe this would be the chronological track order. Some of the cues are spliced together, so it won't be perfect but... 01. Another Story 02. Dementors in the Underpass 03. Flight of the Order of the Phoenix 04. The Ministry of Magic 05. A Journey to Hogwarts 06. Umbridge Spoils a Beautiful Morning 07. Professor Umbridge 08. The Sacking of Trelawney 09. The Room of Requirements 10. Dumbledore's Army 11. The Kiss 12. Darkness Takes Over 13. Fireworks 14. The Sirius Deception 15. The Hall of Prophecies 16. The Death of Sirius 17. Possession 18. Loved Ones and Leaving Dumbledore's Army is when they're at Hogsmeade so that's beore Room of Requirement I can't figure out where Umbridge spoils a Beautiful Morning goes. Plain Umbridge is when she's observing snape, tightening clothes. -----signature----- Host of CBC (Chapter by Chapter) for PT, CT and SFF forums and Box Office Game ROTS-DS Chapter 3: Seeds of Rebellion FOTR Chapter 29: Bilbo's Gifts TSS Chapter 17: Facts and Feathers (8/24/07)
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Cerrabore Registered: Jan '04	Date Posted: 8/3/07 9:12pm Subject: RE: Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix [Spoilers Allowed] - Date Edited: 8/3/07 9:14pm (1 edits total) Edited By: Cerrabore
	There are some mistakes with that list. Here's my chronological order list - it may not be perfect, but it's close. Incidentally, I included a little unreleased music from musicloop.mp3, the music mix available on the US web site, if one chooses to incorporate said material into his or her track list. Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix 1. Another Story (OST t3 beg-1:24) 2. Dementors in the Underpass 3. Flight of the Order of the Phoenix (last .05 seconds of OST t16 + OST t17) 4. The Ministry of Magic 5. Seeing Harry Off (musicloop.mp3 3:11.22-3:42.9) 6. A Journey to Hogwarts (OST t10 beg-0:33.5) 7. Umbridge Spoils a Beautiful Morning 8. Professor Umbridge 9. The Sacking of Trelawney (OST t16 beg-2:12.88 + musicloop.mp3 2:32.84-2:33.87) 10. Dumbledore's Army 11. The Room of Requirement 12. The Kiss 13. Return to Hogwarts (OST t10 0:33.5-end) 14. Darkness Takes Over 15. Fireworks 16. The Sirius Deception 17. Hall of Prophecy 18. Death of Sirius 19. Possession 20. Dumbledore's Apology (OST t3 1:05-end) 21. Loved Ones and Leaving misc. A Journey to Hogwarts (Alternative) (musicloop.mp3 0:49.55-1:56.6) Moleman1138 posted: Dumbledore's Army is when they're at Hogsmeade so that's beore Room of Requirement The second half of "Dumbledore's Army," or at least the end, is actually from a reprise of the cue that place before "Darkness Takes Over." However, the two cues are almost the same except for their endings, and I feel the track as a whole works better in its pre-"Room of Requirement" position.
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