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startraveler Registered: Oct '05	Date Posted: 6/5/06 10:51am Subject: John and Gustav
	So I like JW's style a lot. Though not sure if you guys ever heard of Gustav Holst, but it seems Jonh Williams has grabbed many ideas from him. What do you guys think? Listen to The Planets, Op.32: IV: Jupiter, The Bringer Of Jollity (Allegro Giocoso - Andante Maestoso) by Edward Elgar, Gustav Holst, Sir Adrian Boult, London Symphony Orchestra : http://www.napster.com/player/tracks/13286147 and this one Listen to The Battle Of Endor III by John Williams : http://www.napster.com/player/tracks/12016913
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mverta3 Registered: Oct '03	Date Posted: 6/5/06 11:32am Subject: RE: John and Gustav
	There are tons of influences Williams draws from which are clearly evident in his works. Check Shostakovich, Walton, Barber, Stravinski, Bartok, Janacek, Ravel, Copland... the list is extensive. _Mike -----signature----- View the ultimate OT restoration at: http://www.starwarslegacy.com
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Indiana_Fett Registered: Dec '04	Date Posted: 6/5/06 3:49pm Subject: RE: John and Gustav
	Williams drew a lot from Copland for his Americana Trilogy. -----signature----- "May God have mercy upon my enemies, because I won't!"-Gen. George S. Patton http://getphpbb.com/phpbb/index.php?mforum=shinycouncil
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TheBoogieMan Title: Manager Emeritus Registered: Nov '01	Date Posted: 6/5/06 7:22pm Subject: RE: John and Gustav
	Stealing from one classical artist is plagiarism, stealing from many is John Williams.
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Darth_Maestro Registered: Jan '05	Date Posted: 6/5/06 10:07pm Subject: RE: John and Gustav
	Haven't heard of Gustav Holst!!! Haven't heard of ... are you mad!! But as the others have said Williams has clearly drawn from many prominent 20th century composers. Just compare his ANH Tatooine music with that of Stravinsky's Rite of Spring. -----signature----- Where just her to glamorize you for your endless sleep! You might as well look fetching when your six feet deep! IN DEFENSE OF STAR WARS!! DIE BASHERS DIE!!!
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mverta3 Registered: Oct '03	Date Posted: 6/6/06 4:31am Subject: RE: John and Gustav
	TheBoogieMan posted: Stealing from one classical artist is plagiarism, stealing from many is John Williams. And Goldsmith and Horner and Silvestri and Zimmer and Elfman and Newman and Newman and Newman and Newton-Howard and Broughton and Davis and Philips and Kamen and Hermann and... -----signature----- View the ultimate OT restoration at: http://www.starwarslegacy.com
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TheBoogieMan Title: Manager Emeritus Registered: Nov '01	Date Posted: 6/6/06 4:34am Subject: RE: John and Gustav
	Zimmer doesn't plagiarise. He copies and pastes.
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mverta3 Registered: Oct '03	Date Posted: 6/6/06 4:55am Subject: RE: John and Gustav
	TheBoogieMan posted: Zimmer doesn't plagiarise. He copies and pastes. WORD. _Mike -----signature----- View the ultimate OT restoration at: http://www.starwarslegacy.com
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Jedi-Washington Registered: Aug '03	Date Posted: 6/6/06 6:56am Subject: RE: John and Gustav
	Yeah, like mverta3 said. Scoring films is not so much about being original, but more about being what most refer to as a charmelion. You have to adapt to fit whats happening on screen, therefore people involved with scoring films don't spend an extensive amount of time trying to be original, but more listening for styles to emulate that might fit a paticular mood. John Williams music can be heard everywhere in the romantic, impressionist and contemporary world. Acctually, even more prevolent in the jazz world. He blends them all together at times to make wonderful works of art. That's what scoring is more than anything else. Getting the mood, matching it with something, and than the beautiful and wonderful orchestration and melodies and such come last. ~JW -----signature----- Whee! [Insert insperational quote from clichéd book or movie]
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Well_Of_Souls Registered: Aug '01	Date Posted: 6/6/06 11:09am Subject: RE: John and Gustav
	TheBoogieMan posted: Zimmer doesn't plagiarise. He copies and pastes. -----signature----- "Okey dokey, Doctor Jones, hold on to your potatoes!"
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mverta3 Registered: Oct '03	Date Posted: 6/6/06 11:52am Subject: RE: John and Gustav
	Actually if you want to be accurate about it, he hires other guys to copy and paste FOR him. _Mike -----signature----- View the ultimate OT restoration at: http://www.starwarslegacy.com
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trounsontime Registered: Nov '06	Date Posted: 11/13/06 6:11pm Subject: RE: John and Gustav
	It is worth mentioning that Stravinsky himself is rather well known for appropriating the work of other composers during his career. The Rite of Spring was constructed from a series of folk tunes, and they appear in the exact same order as in the book they originally appeared, and Pulcinella is barely an arrangement of a pre-existing piece. It's nice to hear Williams's various homages in the score to Star Wars. I noticed a little Bartok moment while listening to Concerto for Orchestra and thought 'ooh, that's in Star Wars'.
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__Vader__ Registered: May '05	Date Posted: 11/18/06 4:11pm Subject: RE: John and Gustav
	The most obviously stolen moment I think is in the cue "Rebel Blockade Runner". It is almost note-for-note a copy of the end of "Mars, Bringer of War" by Holst. Apart from that I haven't noticed too many obvious rip-offs. -----signature----- Obi-Wan never told you what happended to your father...
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MomMaster Registered: Apr '06	Date Posted: 11/18/06 5:47pm Subject: RE: John and Gustav
	TheBoogieMan posted: Zimmer doesn't plagiarise. He copies and pastes. I absolutely love "Gladiator"!!! On another note, there are only so many notes! -----signature----- Jesus said, "I am the Resurrection and the Life.He who believes in me will live, even though he dies; and whoever lives and believes in me will never die." John 11:25,26 http://s95.photobucket.com/albums/l154/SingerSewer/ UPDATED!
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DavidScJr Registered: Feb '07	Date Posted: 3/12/07 9:16pm Subject: RE: John and Gustav
	Actually I hear a lot more Mahler in williams music. Give Mahlers Symphony #2 a listen (#10). Very ballsy and most people I audition it for usually ask me what film it was from. But music in all forms has been re-hashed over and over again. After all, we are living in a 12 tone world over here... Of course, as a percussionist, I'm find my listening more alligned with 20th century inovative works like copland, cage and reich... and I hear bits and pieces of that in william's music as well. David
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General Kenobi Title: Administrator Emeritus Registered: Dec '98	Date Posted: 8/16/07 10:53pm Subject: RE: John and Gustav
	I was listening to Mars today, and besides "Rebel Blockade Runner" there is the definite feeling of "The Death Star" climax as well.
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