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Strilo Title: Manager • Music • Prequel Trilogy Registered: Aug '01	Date Posted: 7/16/07 11:44pm Subject: Harry Potter and the Half Blood Prince - Date Edited: 5/21/08 8:17am (1 edits total) Edited By: Strilo
	So it's time for extremely early speculation on the score for the next Harry Potter film. It seems likely that Nicolas Hooper will be scoring the next film, as David Yates has already been tapped to direct the film. From the story side of things, Steve Kloves is returning to write the screenplay. What does all this mean for the music? Themes? Expansion on the OOTP score? The possibility of a different composer? Discuss away! -----signature----- #1 on iTunes Most Played: R.E.M. "Imitation of Life" #1 on iTunes Film Scores: Harry Potter "A Window to the Past" * * * * * * "And therefore blah blah blah your mom..."
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erus_multus2 Registered: Nov '05	Date Posted: 7/17/07 3:31am Subject: RE: Harry Potter and the Half Blood Prince
	I think it'd be nice if John Williams came back for the last two movies. One of the things I felt would have made Goblet of Fire better in certain parts (I haven't seen OOTP yet, so I can't say how well the score fit into it) would have been using the Voldemort theme from the first two films. It would have added a certain greater sense of intimidation I think. So I think that Wiliams' own willingness to use the past themes would help carry along the next films musically. All IMHO, of course. -----signature----- "Who's the more foolish; the fool or the fool who tries running from a robot?" Go to my website: http://sttimmypro.com No seriously. Do it now. I dare you.
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Dark_Faith Registered: Jan '04	Date Posted: 7/17/07 5:21am Subject: RE: Harry Potter and the Half Blood Prince
	Anyone think they have an idea on what elements of the book should have their own musical themes? 1.Advanced Potion making book theme (HBP book). 2. A theme for the cave. Maybe something like the dead marshes from LOTR: TTT? But a little more intense and ghostly. 3. Horocrux/Tom Riddle theme? 4. Perhaps a new love theme for Harry/Ginny? 5. Maybe the Half-blood prince himself/Snape should have his own theme for this movie? Maybe a variation of the HBP's book theme? -----signature----- 30 years of Star Wars and 30 years more The Force is Forever
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Darth_Vader-Anakin Registered: Jul '02	Date Posted: 7/17/07 9:41am Subject: RE: Harry Potter and the Half Blood Prince
	After hearing what Hooper did on OotP, his first big movie, I can only imagine that he'll improve. Although, as Strilo noted a few times in the other thread, there are some extremely crucial moments in this book/film that will need to be expertly composed (and filmed of course). I think that Hooper is capable, but they are are such big moments, that I would be nervous with anyone but Williams at the helm. As for themes I would like to hear: Something for Harry and Dumbledore - crucial in my mind Slughorn A new theme for Voldermort -- I used to be steadfast in my defense of bringing back Williams' theme, but as I watched Philosopher's Stone the other day, I think a darker theme would be better. Williams' theme worked for the first two films, but I do think it's time for something different. This is an area where neither Doyle or Hooper impressed me. No strong material for Voldermort in his crucial scenes. I'm re-reading HBP right now to have my mind fresh for when the final book comes this weekend, and I'm really interested in what they keep in the film. I find myself wondering if one particularly violent moment with Draco will be included simply thinking of rating and how it's described in the book.
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HookLineAndSinker Title: Manager Emeritus Registered: Oct '01	Date Posted: 7/17/07 9:52am Subject: RE: Harry Potter and the Half Blood Prince - Date Edited: 7/17/07 9:58am (2 edits total) Edited By: HookLineAndSinker
	WARNING: THIS POST CONTAINS HBP SPOILERS. There are so many possibilities for themes and classic score moments in HBP, but I don't think Hooper is up to the task based on OOTP's score. It wasn't a terrible scores, but I agree that a more experience composer might be needed to really capture such dramatic moments. 1. Prisoner of Azkaban 2. Sorceror's Stone 3. Goblet of Fire 4. Chamber of Secrets 5. Order of the Phoenix That's how I rank the scores so far. I want Williams back for at least one of the remaining two, preferably Deathly Hallows just so he can book-end the saga. If he returns for HBP, that would be great too, though I wouldn't mind Brian Tyler or even veteran, Bruce Broughton, taking a shot at it if they decide on a new composer. As for the themes, I'm sure the Phoenix Lament will be beautiful. Or at least should be. Also I believe the mermaids sing a moving song at the end. Slughorn can have a theme for the Slug Club. The Inferi/Cave sequence will need to vary from the dementors tone of music, but there are many possibilities still open for them. Maybe just a love theme in general for all of the lovebirds in the film. There's quite a few couples if I remember correctly. Some good, some bad. The Half Blood Prince can have a theme, certainly. It's kinda a sneaky way of giving a main character an actual theme so late in the game. I like it. Giving Draco a theme of some sort might pay off during the astronomy tower scene. Especially if it's dark and sinister throughout the movie and then turns sad and really accents Dracos's dilema at the end. Maybe even during the bathroom scene too when he's nearly killed. The music can really make you sympathize with him at the end of that scene. -----signature----- I am from the corrupt land of Illinois
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Dark_Faith Registered: Jan '04	Date Posted: 7/17/07 10:57am Subject: RE: Harry Potter and the Half Blood Prince - Date Edited: 7/17/07 11:00am (1 edits total) Edited By: Dark_Faith
	HBP SPOILERS Well in my mind, the end of HBP, when Harry and Dumbledore return from the cave and witness the dark mark over Hogwarts, the music should start again and then dramatically stop when Harry and DD arrive at the tower and Draco comes out, and the rest of the scene should be without music, to keep the tension, then when things get more heated and the other death eaters come up, followed by Snape, the music should silently and very quietly grow stronger, and then when Snape kills Dumbledore, the music should hit a dramatic crescendo, and transition to the battle within Hogwarts, in a strong, desperate, emotional and sweeping melody which perhaps can sweep back into a violent and suspenseful variation of the Half Blood Prince theme as Snape is running away across the ground chased by Harry and reveals himself to be the Half Blood Prince. -----signature----- 30 years of Star Wars and 30 years more The Force is Forever
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Whitey Registered: Jan '03	Date Posted: 7/17/07 1:42pm Subject: RE: Harry Potter and the Half Blood Prince
	Hooper did a solid job, but I just don't trust certain pivotal scenes in the hands of anyone less than Williams. Though, I'm willing to let Hooper surprise me. -----signature----- "There are people who have said that I'm being brave for being openly supportive of gay marriage, gay adoption- basically of gay rights- but with all due respect I humbly dissent. I'm not being brave. I'm being a decent human being." -Anne Hathaway
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redsabreanakin Registered: Feb '05	Date Posted: 7/22/07 7:53pm Subject: RE: Harry Potter and the Half Blood Prince
	Hooper is coming back huh? I thought the score to "Phoenix" was pretty unremarkable. I didn't hate it, but it certaintly didn't have any balls to it. The "standoff" at the end between Good and Evil needed more "gravitas"...and a scene which was very good..could have been outstanding. I stated in that thread that I would love to have Williams back, and I pretty much got crapped on. I was told to "wait and listen to it first"...well, I've heard it..and give it a "c". I was kind hopeing for someone else...but I guess I'll just have to wait and see what he can come up with; but at this point..I would even take James Horner...(and even I can't believe I just said that) -----signature----- "you always were a cunning linguist; James" "of course..no sense in going off half cocked" "keeping the british end up sir!" "well? providing the collars and cuffs match" "you'll just have to decide how much pumping is needed"
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andy1044 Registered: Aug '06	Date Posted: 7/22/07 8:51pm Subject: RE: Harry Potter and the Half Blood Prince - Date Edited: 7/22/07 8:54pm (2 edits total) Edited By: andy1044
	You won't have any luck with there. Horner was approached to do the first three movies and explicitly turned them down, saying that he had had enough scoring fantasy movies and did not want to do any more. Personally, I'm excited to see what Hooper will do with HBP. I think that he did a pretty decent job with Order of the Phoenix, and considering that was his first major score his quality can only go up. He'll be approaching the next one with much more experience than OOTP and frankly that can only be a good thing. -----signature----- Are you looking for original music for your film? Look no further! Samples of my work can be heard at: http://www.soundclick.com/andyskrabutenas PM me or send an email to andy1044@aol.com if you are interested.
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Jedi-Washington Registered: Aug '03	Date Posted: 7/23/07 7:26pm Subject: RE: Harry Potter and the Half Blood Prince
	After reading the newest one, I'm not sure what I'd do with myself if Williams didn't score film 7. I can deal with him not scoring Half-Blood prince, but it's absolutely necessary for for someone who knows how to write tragedy well for the last film. I hope the last director requests him or perhaps Elfman for the last film. Continuity is already screwed, so I don't really expect a development of themes that Williams would have used in the film. Have to admit, whatever themes Hooper and Doyle composed in there, they certainly never stuck in my mind. Sounded like a Bach 4 part chord study in both cases with a un-recognizable theme in there. Bad orchestrating, that's for sure. And what a weak waltz theme for GOF, especially if it plays such an important role. As for the newest score, Hooper did a decent job, certainly better than Doyle's score - which I expected much more out of. Hooper's usage of Hedwig's theme is really clever. I'm not a big fan of some of the strings writing, as it sounds a little...out of place. 1. Prisoner of Azkaban 2. Sorcerers Stone 3. Chamber of secrets 4. Order of the Phoenix 5. Goblet of Fire The Harry Potter series needs some serious musical help. The standard has just not been set high enough by the last two composers. ~JW -----signature----- Whee! [Insert insperational quote from clichéd book or movie]
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redsabreanakin Registered: Feb '05	Date Posted: 7/23/07 8:50pm Subject: RE: Harry Potter and the Half Blood Prince
	Couldn't have said it better myself. Well done -----signature----- "you always were a cunning linguist; James" "of course..no sense in going off half cocked" "keeping the british end up sir!" "well? providing the collars and cuffs match" "you'll just have to decide how much pumping is needed"
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Darth_Vader-Anakin Registered: Jul '02	Date Posted: 7/23/07 9:34pm Subject: RE: Harry Potter and the Half Blood Prince - Date Edited: 7/23/07 9:35pm (1 edits total) Edited By: Darth_Vader-Anakin
	I don't know, there's quite a bit of action in Deathly Hallows, and I haven't been impressed with Williams' action material in quite some time (especially most of his stuff for PS and CoS). Few people can match the quality of his melodic content, but there are many other composers out there who are much more skilled in writing action. And while Williams can write tragedy well (Schindler's List), I don't think it's his strong area. My dream composer for the Half-Blood Prince and Deathly Hallows would be Elliot Goldenthal, but there's almost no chance of that happening. Goldenthal is an amazingly talented composer who's great with tragedy and it'd be interesting to see what he does in a fantasy world. James Newton Howard would be another choice. With that said, I was really pleased with Hooper's work on Phoenix and can't wait for what ideas he comes up with for Half-Blood Prince. As Andy said, with his first major film behind him, his second score can only improve. Depending on his output for Prince, he could very well be up to the task of scoring Hallows if he and Yates see this series to its conclusion.
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Cerrabore Registered: Jan '04	Date Posted: 7/23/07 9:44pm Subject: RE: Harry Potter and the Half Blood Prince
	Wait, are you implying that something tragic in the vein of Schindler's List (but by a composer more talented in the genre) is appropriate for Half-Blood Prince?
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Darth_Vader-Anakin Registered: Jul '02	Date Posted: 7/23/07 9:49pm Subject: RE: Harry Potter and the Half Blood Prince
	No, I was just giving an example that he can write tragic music, but on the whole I don't think it's his strong area. Obviously something like Schindler's List in Half-Blood Prince would be overkill.
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Cerrabore Registered: Jan '04	Date Posted: 7/23/07 9:55pm Subject: RE: Harry Potter and the Half Blood Prince
	Something like Schindler's List in Schindler's List would be overkill. It's absurdly emotional music. So, yes, something much more understated in Half-Blood Prince will do nicely.
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andy1044 Registered: Aug '06	Date Posted: 7/24/07 12:10pm Subject: RE: Harry Potter and the Half Blood Prince - Date Edited: 7/24/07 12:10pm (1 edits total) Edited By: andy1044
	Ok, I feel the slight need to play Devil's Advocate, so bear with me. Guys, I think it's about time we stopped using John Williams as the end all be all film composer. Yes, he is a hugely talented composer whose legacy will dominate the world of film composition for many years to come, but frankly, he is getting up there in years and may not be with us that much longer. Instead of always jumping to "I think John Williams should do this score because he's the only one that has this or that skill," I think we should start looking for the composer, or composers, that will be the best candidate(s) to fill Williams' shoes once he is gone. There are many talented younger composers out there who might not gain the same notoriety and fame as Williams, but are certainly capable of filling his shoes musically. Elliot Goldenthal was a good example, as well as Alexandre Desplat, Thomas Newman, Howard Shore, Alan Silvestri, and a host of others. I don't think you guys should be so quick to dismiss Hooper's work just because, "He isn't John Williams." Instead of concentrating on what he's done, look instead to what he might do in the future since he is only now turning from an award winning career as a British Television composer to what might amount to an award winning career as a blockbuster movie composer. -----signature----- Are you looking for original music for your film? Look no further! Samples of my work can be heard at: http://www.soundclick.com/andyskrabutenas PM me or send an email to andy1044@aol.com if you are interested.
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