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Darth_Vader-Anakin Registered: Jul '02	Date Posted: 7/25/07 8:45am Subject: RE: Harry Potter and the Half Blood Prince - Date Edited: 7/25/07 8:45am (1 edits total) Edited By: Darth_Vader-Anakin
	__Vader__ posted: Ramp up Dumbledore's Death/Funeral to Operatic proportions. (No holding back like in previous character's deaths, this needs to be full-on choir) I'm going to have to disagree with this. While Dumbledore's loss is a huge blow to the entire wizarding community, his death is witnessed on a much more personal level by Harry who has yet again lost one of his closest mentors and another father figure. The music does need to be more emotional than that of Sirius' death, but big operatic choir would really be hamming it up. I think the biggest challenge will be the Phoenix song (if it's included of course, they might cut that out).
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Strilo Title: Manager • Music • Prequel Trilogy Registered: Aug '01	Date Posted: 7/25/07 9:18am Subject: RE: Harry Potter and the Half Blood Prince - Date Edited: 7/25/07 9:28am (1 edits total) Edited By: Strilo
	Guys... things from the sixth book are not spoilers. It's been out for two years. (after all, you seem to view the abandonment of Williams's style as an arrogant, personal insult to the maestro) No this is flat out wrong. Don't make assumptions. I view it as a mistake in regards to the films and the musical tone set out for Harry Potter. -----signature----- #1 on iTunes Most Played: R.E.M. "Imitation of Life" #1 on iTunes Film Scores: Harry Potter "A Window to the Past" * * * * * * "And therefore blah blah blah your mom..."
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MJedi Registered: Mar '00	Date Posted: 7/25/07 9:58am Subject: RE: Harry Potter and the Half Blood Prince - Date Edited: 7/25/07 10:48am (1 edits total) Edited By: MJedi
	I really hope John Williams is hired for the final movie (and HBP, if it hasn't been decided yet). I mean, why would all the promos, interviews, behind-the-scenes shows and documentaries on TV use his score, if it is not the definitive music to accompany Harry Potter? Even the music on the GOF DVD documentaries still use William's music, not Doyle's! Williams captures the magic, pun intended, of the series. It would be a shame for him not to be hired to end the series. -----signature----- "The Dark Side of the Force is a pathway to many abilities, some consider to be unnatural." "Is it possible to learn this power?" "Not from a Jedi."
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Darth_Vader-Anakin Registered: Jul '02	Date Posted: 7/25/07 10:04am Subject: RE: Harry Potter and the Half Blood Prince
	Strilo posted: Guys... things from the sixth book are not spoilers. It's been out for two years. Well yes, but not everyone reads the books. I have several friends who enjoy the movies, but aren't interested in reading the books.
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Strilo Title: Manager • Music • Prequel Trilogy Registered: Aug '01	Date Posted: 7/25/07 10:20am Subject: RE: Harry Potter and the Half Blood Prince
	Well I specifically created this thread to not be spoiler free, so don't worry about it here. -----signature----- #1 on iTunes Most Played: R.E.M. "Imitation of Life" #1 on iTunes Film Scores: Harry Potter "A Window to the Past" * * * * * * "And therefore blah blah blah your mom..."
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Cerrabore Registered: Jan '04	Date Posted: 7/25/07 1:02pm Subject: RE: Harry Potter and the Half Blood Prince
	Strilo posted: (after all, you seem to view the abandonment of Williams's style as an arrogant, personal insult to the maestro) No this is flat out wrong. Don't make assumptions. I view it as a mistake in regards to the films and the musical tone set out for Harry Potter. Quote: "Basically it feels like Doyle and Hooper were like '**** John Williams, we don't need his crap. We can do WAY better ourselves' and then they didn't. I can't help but think of them as kids trying to outdo the old man and failing miserably." Quote: "Well I think the composers following Williams should have thought less about their own satisfaction and thought more about what was good for the music of the series and the tone that was set.
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Jedi-Washington Registered: Aug '03	Date Posted: 7/25/07 2:03pm Subject: RE: Harry Potter and the Half Blood Prince
	I never expect themes to be passed between films. Quotes here and there, sure, but I don't think Hooper or Doyle treated the score with enough musicianship. People always bring up the "directors vision" in scores, but I don't buy that. Having worked with several directors, I find they aren't exactly to the note specific about what they want. You can honor a directors vision while still keeping not necessarily direct themes that came before, but at least a style that came before. While I don't think they blatantly spit in Williams' face, from the sounds of it, they didn't even attempt to make a transition. As for Scoring Dumbledore's death...not full choir, not full orchestra. While it is a turning point in Harry's life...it needs to be very personal. I wouldn't want it downplayed, but certainly given a tragic/sad romantic interpretation perhaps. ~JW -----signature----- Whee! [Insert insperational quote from clichéd book or movie]
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andy1044 Registered: Aug '06	Date Posted: 7/25/07 2:38pm Subject: RE: Harry Potter and the Half Blood Prince
	I think Dumbledore's death could be scored extremely well with even a solo instrument. Perhaps an english horn or an alto flute. The subconscious symbolism being that Dumbledore's death has now left Harry alone in his quest. Overplaying this scene with a huge orchestra and a choir would take away from the actual death and lessen the emotional impact. -----signature----- Are you looking for original music for your film? Look no further! Samples of my work can be heard at: http://www.soundclick.com/andyskrabutenas PM me or send an email to andy1044@aol.com if you are interested.
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Cerrabore Registered: Jan '04	Date Posted: 7/25/07 4:48pm Subject: RE: Harry Potter and the Half Blood Prince
	Screwing around with music samples, I found that "Fawkes the Phoenix" on Irish low whistle sounds good.
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Strilo Title: Manager • Music • Prequel Trilogy Registered: Aug '01	Date Posted: 7/25/07 5:47pm Subject: RE: Harry Potter and the Half Blood Prince
	Quote: "Well I think the composers following Williams should have thought less about their own satisfaction and thought more about what was good for the music of the series and the tone that was set." You make the assumption that "their own satisfaction" somehow is personal and not professional satisfaction. Bottom line, you seem to have no problem with how the music has been handled for Harry Potter. You seem to think that Doyle and Hooper did well. I don't. But it seems like your viewpoint is coloring how you are perceiving the statements I am making. -----signature----- #1 on iTunes Most Played: R.E.M. "Imitation of Life" #1 on iTunes Film Scores: Harry Potter "A Window to the Past" * * * * * * "And therefore blah blah blah your mom..."
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Cerrabore Registered: Jan '04	Date Posted: 7/25/07 5:52pm Subject: RE: Harry Potter and the Half Blood Prince
	I inferred that you felt Doyle and Hooper had insulted Williams because of the above quotes. "**** John Williams, we don't need this crap"? And what exactly is "professional satisfaction," and how is it different from "personal satisfaction"? Anyway, I don't believe Doyle and Hooper wrote scores equal to Sorcerer's Stone and Prisoner of Azkaban, but I don't believe they are totally worthless and impossible to enjoy because of their differentiation from Williams's style.
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Darth_Vader-Anakin Registered: Jul '02	Date Posted: 7/31/07 8:33am Subject: RE: Harry Potter and the Half Blood Prince
	Just a side not about Deathly Hallows -- Alfonso Cuaron said in a recent interview that he would be "very tempted" to direct the final film. I for one would be thrilled if he seeing as how Prisoner of Azkaban is my favorite of the films thus far (although I think David Yates did a very nice job as well). The main reason I bring this up is because many people elsewhere are having wet dreams about Cuaron and Williams teaming up again. While this is certainly possible, my guess would be that unless Williams asks to come back, Cuaron will choose Doyle to come back since they have worked together twice and he has already written one Potter score.
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Strilo Title: Manager • Music • Prequel Trilogy Registered: Aug '01	Date Posted: 7/31/07 8:49am Subject: RE: Harry Potter and the Half Blood Prince - Date Edited: 7/31/07 8:50am (1 edits total) Edited By: Strilo
	Cerrabore posted: I inferred that you felt Doyle and Hooper had insulted Williams because of the above quotes. "**** John Williams, we don't need this crap"? And what exactly is "professional satisfaction," and how is it different from "personal satisfaction"? That's part of the problem. You have inferred a lot in my words that isn't there. Professional satisfaction as in what they think will be best for their own professional purposes. Meaning that they think it would be better for their careers if they throw out what Williams established and do something stellar that supersedes it. The problem is knowing one's own limitations as an artist. They needed to step up to the plate and hit a homer. Doyle hit a single and Hooper fouled out. From what I have heard of both composers, they should have known they could not step in and solely carry this thing, so they should have used more support from the structure established by Williams. And look I have asked all sorts of friends and family who don't give a crap about film scores but love the Harry Potter films what they thought of the music for OOTP (without giving any indication what I thought of it) and they have ALL said either it was bad, a disappointment or they said "what music?" So a few film score fanboys aside, it seems that most people think the music for OOTP sucks. -----signature----- #1 on iTunes Most Played: R.E.M. "Imitation of Life" #1 on iTunes Film Scores: Harry Potter "A Window to the Past" * * * * * * "And therefore blah blah blah your mom..."
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Darth_Vader-Anakin Registered: Jul '02	Date Posted: 7/31/07 9:58am Subject: RE: Harry Potter and the Half Blood Prince - Date Edited: 7/31/07 10:06am (2 edits total) Edited By: Darth_Vader-Anakin
	I ask my friends all the time what they thought of the music after seeing a film -- Harry Potter, Lord of the Rings, Star Wars, etc. and nearly all them say "I didn't even notice it." (For some odd reason though, everyone noticed the trash in Pirates of the Caribbean and liked it!) Scores don't always have to be noticed to be felt, most of the time it's subconscious. It's fans like us that actively listen to it. I'll continue to defend OotP because I think it works very well as a score. It definitely did not "stand out" and that is probably why most people didn't notice it or were disappointed. As I said earlier, Williams' wrote great themes for the first two films, but much of his underscore stood out in a very bad way. And I'll still defend Doyle as well. I tend to think he was having an off day when he wrote GoF. It isn't a bad score, but it's certainly not up to his usual standard. EDIT: And can you please stop with the "film score fanboy" bit? Just because we are defending something that we enjoy and you don't is no reason to resort to petty name-calling. It's pretty immature.
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Strilo Title: Manager • Music • Prequel Trilogy Registered: Aug '01	Date Posted: 7/31/07 10:47am Subject: RE: Harry Potter and the Half Blood Prince
	It's not name calling. Fanboy is no different than fanatic. What else are people who listen to primarily films scores called? Something has to differentiate between me (a fan) and you guys. I freely admit I am a Pearl Jam fanboy. Nothing wrong with that. -----signature----- #1 on iTunes Most Played: R.E.M. "Imitation of Life" #1 on iTunes Film Scores: Harry Potter "A Window to the Past" * * * * * * "And therefore blah blah blah your mom..."
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