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waheennay Registered: Sep '00	Date Posted: 10/22/04 11:12am Subject: RE: Defenders of the A&P Love Story Reloaded (Part 3)
	Watching the AOTC DVD and looking at the counter I realize that the whole love story, at least the really, flowery romantic part just takes place within the first hour. After that it goes into darker territory with them going to Tatooine to save Anakin's mother. There really aren't that many "romance" scenes during the actual running time, but they were strong enough to make an impact. -----signature----- U2's Sweetest Thing; "A blue-eyed boy meets a brown-eyed girl Oh oh oh the sweetest thing"
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qingauk Registered: Jul '02	Date Posted: 10/22/04 1:40pm Subject: RE: Defenders of the A&P Love Story Reloaded (Part 3)
	regarding Hayden versus other actors: The closest would be Johnny Depp IMHO. However, I can't think of any other actor who is currently active who has the smoldering eyes that capture you as Hayden's do. I do recall that Clark Gable could look like that and James Dean. I have seen a twinkle in Johnny's eyes that indicates the same michevious looks as Hayden but not the same on the other emotions. I am an eye person so I really tune in on those the most and that is the key reason I just get absorbed by the looks Hayden gives. You can even see it in the .5 second view of the hyperspace webdocs when he gives that side view look that just has an evil hate to it. I assume it is taken during either the duel with Obi or Dooku. He just has magic eyes I do feel Hayden is very talented and I hope he eventually gets recognized as one of the greatest some day. -----signature----- "My love for you is a puzzle, Annie, for which I have no answers. I can't control it.. and now I don't care. I truly deeply love you and before we die I want you to know." " I've got a bad feeling about this"
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Qui-Dawn Registered: Jul '00	Date Posted: 10/22/04 2:00pm Subject: RE: Defenders of the A&P Love Story Reloaded (Part 3)
	Quite true, waheenay....gloriously, triumphantly so. After all, there's a very powerful reason why we are so entirely devoted to The Love Story....why it irresistibly caught us from the very first mometns - we were captivated, enthralled, fascinated, intrigued, devoted to it then - and only remain so even more strongly now. There's a reason, aye.... Everything that happens makes its necessary impact - it packs a lot of punch....and whether it's but the shortest, seemingly most fleeting of moments, or something rather longer - that it packs so much oomph, such emotional, touching, tender, passionate power, in any amount of time....that it can have such an effect, no matter how long or short....that's how you know what really works. And it does! And, yeah, didn't we just already know that.... Dawn. (blissing out over Hayden's magic eyes....and thank you for that thought!) -----signature----- Anakin Skywalker is shagadelic! "Oh, the things you do to get me alone." - Anakin "Stop talking." - Padme The Rambling Court Bard of the A&P Defenders Royal Court Hayden is MY Love Muffin
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AnakinsLuv Registered: Apr '04	Date Posted: 10/22/04 2:11pm Subject: RE: Defenders of the A&P Love Story Reloaded (Part 3)
	Now whether this is because Hayden couldn't come through with it, or whether GL held him back a great deal, I don't know for sure. I would tend to agree with an equal balance of both. Hayden's roles so far haven't been particularly sensual, so whether he can pull it off or not is a debatable question. I read some where that Hayden was constantly trying to make the EpII Anakin a lot darker/sensual than what we actually saw. He said that George was constantly telling him to hold back more and not be so dark. And then in ROTS, Hayden said he really had a lot he could "sink his teeth into". This time he was free to let the darkness loose!! And the "sensual" will just come along with that, I think. (Gosh, I can't wait to see that!! ) Now I know you ladies are commenting on different scenes from AOTC, but how does Hayden's sensuality stack up to other actors, like Viggo Mortensen in LOTR (just to be comparable at the SF level), or even Ralph Fiennes in "The English Patient"? Do they, as well as other actors, seem more sensual because of the roles or because of their natural personalities and abilities as an actor? In "LOTR" , as well as in "Hidalgo" , the characters Viggo played were not meant to be sensual. Aragorn was noble, wise, restrained, moral, and also dark and mysterious, but not in the way that Anakin is. "Sensual" is defined as "arousing or preoccupied with gratification of the senses or appetites; carnal...also lacking in moral restraints; worldly; materialistic; irreligious." Aragorn faces temptation and is able to walk away from it or overcome it and rise to his calling, never compromising what he believes in and has sworn an oath to. Yes, he is put into some romantic situations, but I wouldn't say that he comes across as "sensual" in them. One can still be dark and mysterious without being sensual, IMO. I haven't scene "The English Patient" so I wouldn't know what you are speaking of there. I'm sure that Viggo can be a little sensual as a person...I don't know too many actors that aren't,... except for Hayden... he seems like a pretty level-headed guy (yet he can pull off sensual like no other!). But to answer your question, I think that it just depends on the role and the particular actor in that role. And most of us only really "know" what an actor is like in "real" life from what we read and see in interviews...and that's not all reality either . -AnakinsLuv -----signature----- "Jedi nookie? Sith nookie? Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn." -declared by the lovely ratna "EndlessTwilight" on TwilightMOMS.com http://twilightmomsforums.freeforums.org/
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Qui-Dawn Registered: Jul '00	Date Posted: 10/22/04 3:26pm Subject: RE: Defenders of the A&P Love Story Reloaded (Part 3)
	I actually know of no other actor who can convey a whole world of emotion - such a litany of pain and suffering, grief and blistering rage one moment....then a sweet vulnerablity, boyish innocence, love and light the very next....I've never seen anyone else who can do what Hayden does - he has a remarkable, innate gift for it - to translate shifting emotions into the merest of flickering glances, smallest of quirking smiles or the tiniest of gestures....even in the slightest little tilt of his head - it's an awesome thing, to witness such intrinsic talent....because to be able to convey such powerful emotions, so simply and effortlessly - that is a greater gift than most actors can ever hope to aspire to. No one else has it....he does. He has something that all the rest of them lack....and talk about putting him in a class truly unto himself! Blows everyone else right out of the water and several oceans over, he does! I remember someone else saying that in pictures, like from photo shoots, for instance - he absolutely commands the camera....stares into it, even through it, with such intensity that it seems as though he can practically set the thing ablaze with the sheer magnetic power of his gaze. His eyes just speak so many volumes, truly....so, so much to say, with but the power and command of his gaze....and I'll tell you this, too, he looks at me any way, really, and I am entirely under his thrall....wholly and blissfully at his command....and he could absolutely do anything that he wished with me. With but a single glance, I would be his....for that matter....I already am. Dawn. -----signature----- Anakin Skywalker is shagadelic! "Oh, the things you do to get me alone." - Anakin "Stop talking." - Padme The Rambling Court Bard of the A&P Defenders Royal Court Hayden is MY Love Muffin
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qingauk Registered: Jul '02	Date Posted: 10/22/04 3:57pm Subject: RE: Defenders of the A&P Love Story Reloaded (Part 3)
	Here is an interesting question for the rest of the women on this thread. How many times have you looked at a picture of Hayden that you have as a screen saver or wallpaper, or in magazine, where ever and just been glued to it, not able to take your eyes away for a while? As if he had you hypnotized or under a spell just looking at his eyes, drawn into him? -----signature----- "My love for you is a puzzle, Annie, for which I have no answers. I can't control it.. and now I don't care. I truly deeply love you and before we die I want you to know." " I've got a bad feeling about this"
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Padlei Registered: Mar '03	Date Posted: 10/22/04 4:05pm Subject: RE: Defenders of the A&P Love Story Reloaded (Part 3) - Date Edited: 10/22/04 4:07pm (2 edits total) Edited By: Padlei
	Hello guys! I'm very glad to be here again... Wow, I'm away for... well, a long time, and here it is, a brand new thread for us the Defenders! I didn't have the time to catch up with everything from the old thread but I was a Buffy/Angel fan too. In fact, my favorite seasons were the 2nd, 3rd and 5th I guess. I just hated the 6th one and the 7th was watchable. THe only things I really liked though were all the SW references. I especially loved the Halloween episode when Willow comments on two persons disguised as Luke and Leia, dancing very close to one another, saying something like "Do they know they're brother and sister"? That one had me ROTFL... Anyway, I don't know if you already talked about it but the last webdoc sure revealed a lot... even a part of the film with our couple as George looked on. But anyway, as for Natalie acting better in ROTS (even if that's debatable because I liked her acting in AOTC) I do think we're going to see more emotions this time around. DOn't forget they're married now, no need to petend anymore for Padmé... Anyway, I 'm glad to be back! EDIT: As for Hayden, yes it's his eyes swoons The other actor that gets the words "hot" in my mind is George Clooney... Both are just... -----signature----- 1-ROTS, 2-AOTC, 3-ROTJ/ESB/ANH, 6-TPM Brazil world champions in 2010.
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Alderaan21 Registered: Jul '98	Date Posted: 10/22/04 4:12pm Subject: RE: Defenders of the A&P Love Story Reloaded (Part 3)
	Good to see you too, a_g. Hey there leia_naberrie - long time no see! A complete WORD to all of MissPadme's post. Though for me, it wasn't the look he gave Padme in her apartment that turns me to goo - it's the one he gives her right at the end of the fireplace scene. Whenever my sister and I watch it, dang. In Padme's place I probably would have melted right there in that corset, and my sister, ever the unrestrained, would have outright jumped him. (I've always enjoyed the fireplace scene, by and large. It's dark and moody and the sexual tension in the scene is just palpable. The dialogue almost becomes secondary - it's about the body language between them, although the scene's also key in showing how devoted and genuine he is in his feelings for her.) my opinions of him as a person are formed by what I've seen in person, in interviews, etc. as well as what people who have met him have said about him. He puts across an extremely classy public face, for sure - he seems genuinely nice and thoughtful, someone who's very serious about his craft. Even if I didn't enjoy his performances, I'd still respect and admire his obvious dedication to acting. He's maintained a positive attitude about the SW experience, and he obviously very much enjoyed it, despite being trashed for his part in it. you will see a lot more of Anakin's sensuality in ROTS as his feelings and emotions tend more toward the dark side. He will become more seductive in his body language and actions, where they will be both fear-inducing, powerful, and sensual at the same time. The classic trio that all men strive for. I agree, and I don't think we females will mind that terribly much, either. I'm definitely looking forward to seeing him really come into his own in RotS - I've heard it said elsewhere that this was the film Hayden was really cast for, anyway. Far as other actors and sensuality - I agree that in terms of LotR, Viggo wasn't particularly sensual because the Aragorn character himself is very emotionally restrained. (Still sexy, though. ) For me, the first actor who comes to mind when I think of someone who exudes sensuality is James Marsters (Spike) on the latter seasons of Buffy. He's part of why I eventually grew to like the Buffy/Spike storyline - the sheer intensity in the way he would look at her, act toward her. (The gaze doesn't turn me to quite the goo pile that Anakin does, but is still very powerful.) Very forward about his interest in her, yet still managing to restrain somewhat out of respect for her. He's already a dark character, and is very conflicted by love for her he knows he shouldn't feel. In every scene with Buffy, you could see in almost every move he made how much he desired her. Heck, even in some of his scenes without Buffy, he's still radiating sensuality. Was flipping through the new junior novelizations of the OT at B&N last night (no intention of buying, just seeing if there were any interesting prequel references), and was pleasantly surprised to come across a P/A moment in RotJ. When Vader's watching Palpatine attack Luke, all these repressed memories of past things like Qui-Gon and Shmi surface, and then the most painful and repressed memory of all: Padme, and her "undying love" for him. And it's this that finally breaks him into deciding that he can't let their son die. Pity the novelizations didn't seem to be terribly well-written, but it was nice to have a quasi-official source saying it was Padme that was his turning point in that moment. (Semi O-T: I can't stop reading your signature, AnakinsLuv - that's one of the very few bits I enjoy in the AotC novelization!) -----signature----- The Fandom Heretic otherwise known as Lady Aeryn: http://ladyaeryn.livejournal.com/ The Moons of Iego: A/P - Thumbing our noses at happily-ever-after since 1999! http://moonsofiego.thepensieve.net/
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MissPadme Registered: Jul '98	Date Posted: 10/22/04 5:52pm Subject: RE: Defenders of the A&P Love Story Reloaded (Part 3)
	Hmm, I haven't read my kiddie OT novelizations yet. I'll have to look up that scene . --MissPadme -----signature----- http://lazypadawan.livejournal.com The Star Wars Prequel Appreciation Society http://starwarsprequelappreciationsociety.wordpress.com/ Eat my flame of justice!
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Qui-Dawn Registered: Jul '00	Date Posted: 10/22/04 9:27pm Subject: RE: Defenders of the A&P Love Story Reloaded (Part 3)
	Ooooh, and I hadn't seen the junior OT novelizations anywhere yet....don't know how I missed those, but thanks oodles for the head's-up, for sure - I will so be checkin' those out tomorrow.... Total coolness, that's for sure.... Of course, I've very much enjoyed the junior novelizations of both TPM and AOTC - they're perfectly good, both of 'em, a genuinely decent read....and they make a great companion piece to the other, regular novelizations as well. Dawn. -----signature----- Anakin Skywalker is shagadelic! "Oh, the things you do to get me alone." - Anakin "Stop talking." - Padme The Rambling Court Bard of the A&P Defenders Royal Court Hayden is MY Love Muffin
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Alderaan21 Registered: Jul '98	Date Posted: 10/23/04 12:30am Subject: RE: Defenders of the A&P Love Story Reloaded (Part 3)
	No prob, Dawn. TPM and AOTC - they're perfectly good, both of 'em, a genuinely decent read....and they make a great companion piece to the other, regular novelizations as well. I agree - and in the case of AotC, the juvy novel's actually better! (I adore the adult TPM novelization; it's the only SW novelization I've read multiple times.) Shame we have to go to the kiddie version to get more than a few drab-dry descriptive sentences about our couple's wedding... sheesh. I admit RotJ was the one I flipped through the most, as I was short on time (found an interesting Angel essay collection to read, heh) as that was the one most likely to have any interesting Ani insights. I only glanced through the beginning of ANH - which didn't have much except Obi-Wan remarking how Leia's 'grown into a remarkable young woman' - and didn't look through ESB at all; I'll have to go through those later. I was kind of disappointed in how Anakin's death was handled in this juvy version; unbelievably cut and dry. But given how beautiful it is in the original adult version and that I was still kind of going 'Yay! Important Padme mention!' from the earlier bit, I wasn't too disappointed. -----signature----- The Fandom Heretic otherwise known as Lady Aeryn: http://ladyaeryn.livejournal.com/ The Moons of Iego: A/P - Thumbing our noses at happily-ever-after since 1999! http://moonsofiego.thepensieve.net/
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rhonderoo Title: Former Head Admin Registered: Aug '02	Date Posted: 10/23/04 4:23am Subject: RE: Defenders of the A&P Love Story Reloaded (Part 3)
	Yay! New digs. Oooh, I may have to go check out the juvy versions of the novelizations. Did they mention Padme by name, Alderaan? I think that is one reason why I'm so pumped about the Anakin - Clone Wars novel that comes out Tuesday (Jedi Trial), even though it has a lot of battles and is about Anakin passing his trials, the part that hooked me was that in it he writes a letter to Padme! -----signature----- DT421 FYI: You don't deal with me. I deal with you. Damned right the Jedi's fire has gone out of the universe. I was the bad-ass Class C extinguisher who snuffed them. - @darthvader (Darth Vader on Twitter)
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Qui-Dawn Registered: Jul '00	Date Posted: 10/23/04 9:41am Subject: RE: Defenders of the A&P Love Story Reloaded (Part 3)
	Yikes! That's coming out Tuesday - as in this Tuesday? I'd had no idea....oh man, that one really snuck up on me, didn't it? I am just so sold on the idea of this one....that it's of course Anakin-centric is the biggest selling point of all, and naturally, for that reason alone would I be all over it. I hadn't realized, however, that as you say, rhonderoo - even a little Padme moment in there too....a little secret love-letter....okay, that's it, I am so there now....definitely not gonna miss this one for anything! Thanks so much for the head's-up on this one, too....hm, it's pobably never too early to start pestering the downtown bookstores about it....and who knows but what they may get to know me very well here. Dawn. -----signature----- Anakin Skywalker is shagadelic! "Oh, the things you do to get me alone." - Anakin "Stop talking." - Padme The Rambling Court Bard of the A&P Defenders Royal Court Hayden is MY Love Muffin
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MissPadme Registered: Jul '98	Date Posted: 10/23/04 6:25pm Subject: RE: Defenders of the A&P Love Story Reloaded (Part 3)
	I'm looking forward to Jedi Trial myself. A letter, eh? Is it a dirty one ? Dawn, as far as I know only the ROTJ juvy novel mentions Padmé by name. Speaking of excuses to spend money, you all have to go to your local Hot Topic. They have a ton of great SW stuff there, like t-shirts, trucker hats, wristbands, pins, those cool little Bust-Ups from Gentle Giant, stickers, and car decals. It is all OT stuff, designed to tie in with the DVDs, but hopefully by next summer they'll have loads of ROTS stuff as well. HT has always had SW t-shirts from time to time but it's gone fangirly as of late with LOTR, POTC, and Harry Potter merchandise as well. It's plus size sister store Torrid has some some stuff too. --MissPadme -----signature----- http://lazypadawan.livejournal.com The Star Wars Prequel Appreciation Society http://starwarsprequelappreciationsociety.wordpress.com/ Eat my flame of justice!
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DarkPadme Registered: Oct '04	Date Posted: 10/23/04 6:44pm Subject: RE: Defenders of the A&P Love Story Reloaded (Part 3)
	Hell-o, my friends! It's Halloween time again and therefore my dark persona has returned. Mwahahahaha! I can't wait to read Jedi Trial myself because the EU just can't resist showing my man's dark and sexy side. Grrrowl! He is so hawt when he is sooo baaad. Hot Topic is a little poseur corporate chain but not even I could resist their gothy lingerie or their Vader merchandise. When are they going to put up the Halloween icons anyway? --DarkPadme -----signature----- Lord Vader's Luv Slave!
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