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caedis_black Registered: May '05	Date Posted: 6/1/05 8:05pm Subject: What is up with this Rule of 2 business.
	Okay, I don't want this to seem redundant, but the whole Rule of 2 thing has some problems. 1) Lets start in ESB. Vader talks to the Emperor and says if Luke could be turned, he would make a valuable ally. The Emperor agrees. If Vader knew that this rule of 2 thing was so hardcore then why ask? For that matter, if he was planning on turning on the Emperor, why say anything to him other than "Skywalker's a dead man!" Why give him the heads up? 2)In ROTJ, Palpatine remarks to Vader, "Soon Skywalker will be one of "us". To me this means Sith. Now I spose this could be true because even if Vader is dead he was still a Sith and Skywalker would be one. Maybe this was just to decieve Vader about his true intentions. But still, Vader obviously doesn't know seem to have a problem with this Rule of 2 business. 3)Also in ROTJ, even after Palpatine has been trying to get them to fight and all that, Vader still says that if Luke will not turn to the Dark Side, then perhaps Leia will. Again, it seems they are still hellbent on converting someone else to the darkside. It seems like the Emperor and Vader are still in on it together. 4)In ROTS, it seems obvious that kidnapping Palpatine was a plot to lure Anakin to the ship. Dooku knocks Obiwan out of commission then starts taunting Anakin. This could have only had two purposes, to turn Anakin to the Dark Side OR perhaps if a Jedi starts to get close to the Dark Side without going over he becomes weaker as the confusion grows, etc. But when Palpatine orders Anakin to kill him, Dooku obviously has a WTF look on his face, as if this betrayal was unexpected. 5) In AOTC, Dooku tries to get Obiwan on his side to overthrow the Emperor. This seems to support the Rule of Two thing as he doesn't want him to join them. But it also adds confusion to the whole mix. 6)In TPM, Yoda makes a point of telling Mace Windu that there are always two. Also, as Count Dooku doesn't seem to know, it would appear that this knowledge isn't well known among even the greatest of Jedi.
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Dirty-Darth Registered: Jul '04	Date Posted: 6/1/05 8:18pm Subject: RE: What is up with this Rule of 2 business.
	The Master almost alwasy wants to get rid of the apprentice, and the apprentice always wants to become the master. All the talk about turning someone new to the dark side comes with the unspoken assumption that one of the pre-existing sith gets knocked off. I think that generally applies to all of those. -----signature----- Pro OT Changes Pro Prequel Trilogy --You wouldn't think I grew up with the Originals would you?--
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DeadDooku Registered: Feb '05	Date Posted: 6/1/05 8:19pm Subject: RE: What is up with this Rule of 2 business.
	The Sith are backstabbers plain and simple. The Emperor wanted Vader dead "Now fufill your destiny and take your fathers place at my side." Vader wanted the Emperor dead "Luke you can destroy the Emperor, it is your destiny. We can rule the galaxy as father and son" Dooku knew the rule of two very well. Of course he was shocked at Palps betrayl but he realizes at that moment what Sidious has been cooking ie replacing him with Anakin. Dooku tries to backstab Palps as well by trying to get Obi Wan to join him and kill Sidious
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NJOfan215 Registered: May '03	Date Posted: 6/1/05 8:26pm Subject: RE: What is up with this Rule of 2 business.
	The rule of two was originated by darth bane. This was shown in the jedi verses sith comic. You illustraited the reason for it in your post. The sith want to take each otehr out. Also i sith is not just a dark jedi. A sith has many special teachings and abilities that a jedi does not have. Dooku may or may not have been trying to turn obi-wan. I think he was just messing with him, but let's say he was trying to turn obi-wan. Let's say obi-wan turns, and he and dooku go take out sidious. Dooku is now the master, obi-wan the apprentice. Two sith. VAder tries to turn luke. Join me and together we will rule the galexy as father and son. Dooku thinks that anakin will tunr to the dark side and will become the general of a dark jedi army, acording to the rots novel. He doesn't think that anakin will become a sith. If luke was turned to the dark side, he would've wither killed vader, or be trained by vader and the emporer untill one of the three of them was killed. The same is true with leia. LAstly, if palpatine wanted to break the rule of two, who's gonna stop him? -----signature----- This council has zero tolerance for any sexual deviancy regarding our Jedi Knights. Go Eagles
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DS615 Registered: Oct '03	Date Posted: 6/2/05 3:44am Subject: RE: What is up with this Rule of 2 business.
	The rule of two was originated by darth bane. If you go with the EU, then yes. But as I understand it, the rule was to keep the Sith alive and hidden. If so, as of post-RotS, the rule no longer applies. The other way to look at it is that it's not a "rule". Yoda never calls it a "rule", he just says that when there's a Sith, that Sith is the master. And a master always takes an apprentice. The very nature of the Sith seems to be that the Master deliberately trains a powerful apprentice, and expects to be killed by them. This makes some sense, because if you aren't strong enough to defend yourself against your apprentice, then you aren't really the Master anymore, are you? -----signature----- "I was killing your kind back when being a Jedi meant something." - Jabba the Hutt
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Zandoran_Celix Registered: Feb '05	Date Posted: 6/2/05 12:16pm Subject: RE: What is up with this Rule of 2 business.
	If you go with the EU, then yes. But as I understand it, the rule was to keep the Sith alive and hidden. If so, as of post-RotS, the rule no longer applies. Your off your rocker...... if the Rule no longer applied after ROTS then why in the world would Vader and the Emperor have been the only two Sith still in control. If paalpatine was going to break the rule fo two he would ahve created a formidbale Sith Army. But why do that when he could ahve all the power, rahter then share it among a hundred Sith Lord's? The Rule of two was created to 1) Keep them hidden 2) Allow them to create confusin from the shadows 3) allow for the Sith teachings to be kept secret. (Kinda hard to be an exclusive power if everyone knows the secrets to your Magics) 4) Allow the Sith to gain more [power and remain selfish in the control and use of that power. All of these points and [robably hundreds more are the reason for the rule of two. The Rule fo two was quite a powerful an unique tactic to ahve used. And it, as ahs been demonstrated, been hard to counter any sort of action made by an invisible enemy. -----signature----- Acolytes of Revan, Revanite Scholar, Phantom Blade of Revan Phedron Nero, Dominion of Darkness Gunther Seever, Imperial Knight in the EUC Mandalore the Sentinel of the EUC Mandalorians Most Morose Patron of the EUC
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Adm_Thrawn Registered: Dec '04	Date Posted: 6/2/05 12:37pm Subject: RE: What is up with this Rule of 2 business.
	It's to prevent in-fighting amongst the Sith, as well as to stay under the Jedi's radar. That's pretty much it. -----signature----- Delta Co., 080111 SOI/ITB Class 2-08 03 Killa Semper Fidelis
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