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DarthNidLoc 
Registered: Mar '05
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Date Posted: 5/19/06 8:23am Subject: RE: The Official Count Dooku/Lord Tyranus Fanclub!!
I like the book, I just find ex's vocal dislike of it hilarous, His stated reasons is the way the characters are portrayed. Sepcifically the way Yoda's is portrayed.

 

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Palpy560 
Registered: Feb '05
23989_Grievous
Date Posted: 5/19/06 9:00am Subject: RE: The Official Count Dooku/Lord Tyranus Fanclub!!
Hello fellow Dooku fans. happy

I am so happy. I finally got a copy of Dark Rendezvous. So far it is great. I'm loving Count Dooku and Yoda and even Asajj.
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There is a new Insider Cover out with Count Dooku and Asajj. mischief

 

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DarthBrajovi 
Registered: Mar '06
24217_Obi-Wan
Date Posted: 5/19/06 11:14am Subject: RE: The Official Count Dooku/Lord Tyranus Fanclub!!
Hey I want to join!!! Dooku ROCKS!!! He is so much better than Maul, as Maul was very weird for using a dual-bladed lightsaber. Only a SINGLE saber should be used. What is the point of being a duelist if you cannot make do with one blade. There is no finesse, no grace to it. just some fancy twirling. Anyways I want to join. I'll even change my signature.

 

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Darth-Vassago 
Registered: Jun '04
44090_Count Dooku
Date Posted: 5/21/06 11:58pm Subject: RE: The Official Count Dooku/Lord Tyranus Fanclub!!
DarthNidLoc posted:
I like the book, I just find ex's vocal dislike of it hilarous, His stated reasons is the way the characters are portrayed. Sepcifically the way Yoda's is portrayed.


Right. I heard that from others, as well. I disagree; heaven forbid Yoda should be portrayed in a semi-humorus light, hm? No, Yoda is just an old stone, one that doesn't laugh or have a sense of humor. I found it refreshing, and it reminded me much of how he acted in Empire. Not to mention, the author leveled it all out with seriousness. Not like Yoda was running around like a derranged fool the entire book. Or any of it, for that matter.

~Vassago

 

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Rilwen_Shadowflame 
Registered: Mar '05
19061_Mara Jade
Date Posted: 5/22/06 8:51pm Subject: RE: The Official Count Dooku/Lord Tyranus Fanclub!!
Darth-Vassago posted:
DarthNidLoc posted:
I like the book, I just find ex's vocal dislike of it hilarous, His stated reasons is the way the characters are portrayed. Sepcifically the way Yoda's is portrayed.


Right. I heard that from others, as well. I disagree; heaven forbid Yoda should be portrayed in a semi-humorous light, hm? No, Yoda is just an old stone, one that doesn't laugh or have a sense of humor. I found it refreshing, and it reminded me much of how he acted in Empire. Not to mention, the author leveled it all out with seriousness. Not like Yoda was running around like a derranged fool the entire book. Or any of it, for that matter.

~Vassago

I agree. I like the fact that Yoda actually has a sense of humour in Dark Rendezvous.

And his interactions with Dooku...*shiver*"Disappointment like I not, apprentice. Give me my rose"
You definitely get the sense of a long history between them, now turned to estrangement by Dooku's decision to leave.

 

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DarthNidLoc 
Registered: Mar '05
19352_Anakin Skywalker
Date Posted: 5/23/06 9:33am Subject: RE: The Official Count Dooku/Lord Tyranus Fanclub!!
Rilwen_Shadowflame posted:
Darth-Vassago posted:
DarthNidLoc posted:
I like the book, I just find ex's vocal dislike of it hilarous, His stated reasons is the way the characters are portrayed. Sepcifically the way Yoda's is portrayed.


Right. I heard that from others, as well. I disagree; heaven forbid Yoda should be portrayed in a semi-humorous light, hm? No, Yoda is just an old stone, one that doesn't laugh or have a sense of humor. I found it refreshing, and it reminded me much of how he acted in Empire. Not to mention, the author leveled it all out with seriousness. Not like Yoda was running around like a derranged fool the entire book. Or any of it, for that matter.

~Vassago

I agree. I like the fact that Yoda actually has a sense of humour in Dark Rendezvous.

And his interactions with Dooku...*shiver*"Disappointment like I not, apprentice. Give me my rose"
You definitely get the sense of a long history between them, now turned to estrangement by Dooku's decision to leave.


I like Yoda's humor just fine myself especially the part with him and the actor impersonating him. To each their own I guess. Exellence is one of the more knowledgable posters here and everyone is entitled to there opinion, that is once you figure out his unique writting style.

 

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Darth_Hiatus 
Registered: May '06
8032_Darth Vader
Date Posted: 5/23/06 3:14pm Subject: RE: The Official Count Dooku/Lord Tyranus Fanclub!!
Hello all! I've followed this forum for a long time...well, actually, I just read it all in about two hours! thinking But anyway, I felt I had to reply to the whole Mace Windu versus Count Dooku issue (though it's probably a waaay dead issue!) Just hear me out for a second.

Mace Windu was the greatest swordsbeing the Jedi Order ever produced (excluding the Chosen One.). Even Yoda couldn't match him in the ways of the blade. This has been said on wikipedi.org, starwars.com, and various canon novels.

While Yoda could have beaten Dooku -- this much was acknowledged by the Count in [i]Dark Rendezvous[i] -- it is then obvious that Mace could have defeated him. Also, keep in mind that Mace, as far as we know, almost defeated the greatest Sith Lord in history: Darth Sidious.

I love Dooku, really! I just like Mace, too, and know my facts. worried

 

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Darth-Vassago 
Registered: Jun '04
44090_Count Dooku
Date Posted: 5/23/06 9:47pm Subject: RE: The Official Count Dooku/Lord Tyranus Fanclub!!
"Look, there goes another one..."[/random_imperial_officer]

Please, tell me you're kidding.

...You're not?

*sighs* Very well...

Without a doubt, Count Dooku would beat Mace Windu. Not only is Mace Windu half of what everyone makes him out to be, but in Dooku's time with the Jedi Order, he sparred and beat everyone (save for Yoda) that he faced in his duels. This includes Mace Windu.
The answer is plain enough to see, just with that. Also, take into consideration that Dooku now has the Dark Side to aide him, and you see that Windu would not stand a chance in the seventh hell of Corellia against Dooku.

Not only that, but Dooku was regarded as one of the best, if not thee best, swordsmen in his time in the Jedi Order. He mastered Form II, which is ideal for fighting an opponent with a lightsaber, and he proved to be something of a match for even Yoda.

Now I know many say that Yoda won, or fought to a draw, but in reality if Yoda could have killed Dooku...he would've. He didn't. He couldn't. He knew the threat that Dooku was to the Galaxy at large, and he wouldn't let Dooku slip away if he could stop him, and the chaos he was sure to bring. Bottom line is, Yoda couldn't.
Not only that, but people say that Dooku ran from Yoda due to his losing his grip on the duel...false. He ran because he held with him sensetive material that had to get to his Master, Darth Sidious. If he had lost the Death Star plans, the entire Empire that was in the making would've been doomed.

Yet, I digress, that is neither here...nor there. Dooku could beat Mace with relative ease. Why do I say this? Am I crazy? No. Mace Windu openly admits that his form of fighting, Form VII (Vapaad) has flaws, and weaknesses. Furthermore, he openly admits that Obi-Wan Kenobi would beat him in a duel, saying that Obi-Wan has no flaws. Well, obviously he does if he was defeated/put down by the Count on two seperate occasions.
Continuing with this line of thought, Mace Windu has fought General G., and only reached a draw. A stalemate. Why is this relevant? Simply because Dooku is the one who trained The Good General in the ways of lightsaber combat. Obviously, a teacher never gives away all of his knowledge, so with this in mind we can see, ever further, that Dooku could beat Mace...with ease.

That, all in itself, is plenty to defend the fact that the great Count Dooku would beat Mace Windu. Though, I believe it would be a great match.

~Vassago

 

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Robal_Krahl 
Registered: Dec '03
23962_Obi-Wan
Date Posted: 5/23/06 10:06pm Subject: RE: The Official Count Dooku/Lord Tyranus Fanclub!!
Darth_Hiatus posted:


Mace Windu was the greatest swordsbeing the Jedi Order ever produced (excluding the Chosen One.). Even Yoda couldn't match him in the ways of the blade. This has been said on wikipedi.org, starwars.com, and various canon novels.




Wikipedia is the worst source to use when trying to debate canonical evidence for Star Wars. The absolute worst source, aside from SuperShadow.
Also, in the ROTS novelization, Mace Windu states that Obi-Wan Kenobi is a superior swordsman to him. Meaning Obi-Wan > Mace with the saber. Yoda was better with the blade than Mace as well, which has also been stated in several novels.
The greatest swordsman the Jedi Order ever produced was Yoda. You could also argue that it was Luke, since he was produced by Yoda and Obi-Wan (the reason he beats out the "Chosen One?" ROTJ. Second Death Star.)

 

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Darth-Vassago 
Registered: Jun '04
44090_Count Dooku
Date Posted: 5/23/06 10:09pm Subject: RE: The Official Count Dooku/Lord Tyranus Fanclub!!
If Mace admits Obi-Wan is superior to him, and Dooku bested Obi-Wan on two occasions, I wonder what that equals... thinking

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Darth_Hiatus 
Registered: May '06
8032_Darth Vader
Date Posted: 5/24/06 5:45pm Subject: RE: The Official Count Dooku/Lord Tyranus Fanclub!!
Vey well.

Please, if you have Dark Rendezvous, refer to the end of the duel of Dooku versus Yoda. Dooku acknowledges, vocally, that Yoda was beating him -- and Dooku was not only steeped in the Dark Side on Vjun, he was actually trying, unlike on Geonosis. Dooku resorted to distracting Yoda with a missile.

Also, I bow to your knowledge concerning Mace Windu and Yoda -- Yoda indeed pwns Mace in combat. But just consider the Yoda information.

Thanks for your time. cool

 

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sabarte 
Registered: Sep '05
13620_Solar Sailor
Date Posted: 5/24/06 9:33pm Subject: RE: The Official Count Dooku/Lord Tyranus Fanclub!!
Dark Rendezvous also says that "Among the other Jedi, perhaps only Mace Windu would have been his equal on neutral ground". Perhaps. Personally, I think it'd always come down to the psychological factor, and we see Dooku out-psych Mace on Geonosis and also in the EU elsewhere.

What it comes down to is that Dooku knows and can predict Mace very well, but Mace doesn't really know Dooku at all. This is demonstrated by how utterly blindsided he is in AOTC.

Dooku doesn't match up well against Yoda, but I don't think any Jedi trained by the Order would. Yoda just knows them all too well, and has trained many of them. Dooku's weak against Yoda like Anakin is against Obi-Wan.

Of course, Yoda doesn't know Sidious. And Sidious doesn't know Mace. Thus explaining ROTS wink

 

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Darth-Vassago 
Registered: Jun '04
44090_Count Dooku
Date Posted: 5/24/06 9:43pm Subject: RE: The Official Count Dooku/Lord Tyranus Fanclub!!
sabarte posted:
Dark Rendezvous also says that "Among the other Jedi, perhaps only Mace Windu would have been his equal on neutral ground". Perhaps. Personally, I think it'd always come down to the psychological factor, and we see Dooku out-psych Mace on Geonosis and also in the EU elsewhere.

What it comes down to is that Dooku knows and can predict Mace very well, but Mace doesn't really know Dooku at all. This is demonstrated by how utterly blindsided he is in AOTC.

Dooku doesn't match up well against Yoda, but I don't think any Jedi trained by the Order would. Yoda just knows them all too well, and has trained many of them. Dooku's weak against Yoda like Anakin is against Obi-Wan.

Of course, Yoda doesn't know Sidious. And Sidious doesn't know Mace. Thus explaining ROTS wink


Very well said. peace

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Darth_Hiatus 
Registered: May '06
8032_Darth Vader
Date Posted: 5/25/06 12:23pm Subject: RE: The Official Count Dooku/Lord Tyranus Fanclub!!
Agreed. I see your points.

It would make sense that Yoda knew of Dooku's strengths to a degree that he could pwn Dooku without any effort. Also, I overlooked the observation that only Mace was said to be Dooku's equal on neutral ground. Yoda's just better.

I would, however, disagree that Dooku out-psyched Mace! cry Mace faced off pretty well. Well, if you except the whole super battle droid thing.

Again, I'm a huge fan of Dooku. I think that he could, when it came down to it, defeat Mace, but not Yoda.

 

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Darth-Vassago 
Registered: Jun '04
44090_Count Dooku
Date Posted: 5/26/06 1:12am Subject: RE: The Official Count Dooku/Lord Tyranus Fanclub!! - Date Edited: 5/26/06 1:18am (2 edits total) Edited By: Darth-Vassago
Darth_Hiatus posted:
Agreed. I see your points.

It would make sense that Yoda knew of Dooku's strengths to a degree that he could pwn Dooku without any effort. Also, I overlooked the observation that only Mace was said to be Dooku's equal on neutral ground. Yoda's just better.

I would, however, disagree that Dooku out-psyched Mace! cry Mace faced off pretty well. Well, if you except the whole super battle droid thing.

Again, I'm a huge fan of Dooku. I think that he could, when it came down to it, defeat Mace, but not Yoda.




Dooku is not Mace's equal. As I said prior; Dooku is superior. His mastery of the lightsaber was unmatched...except by Yoda, I guess. On that note: Yoda could hardly "pwn" Dooku without any effort; if I recall, he looked quite winded on Geonosis. happy

Dooku did out-psyche Mace. Dooku was very good with mind games; Mace was just arrogant. Even when he and the Jedi were clearly out numbered, he didn't surrender. No, no. Instead of saving the lives of his Jedi brothers and sisters, he wanted to win
!! Want to beat old Dooku, didn't he? Yes, he did. If not for Yoda...Mace would've been dead a movie sooner.

~Vassago

 

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