Author Topic: The Royal Handmaiden Society: Episode 9: Revenge of the Handmaidens
Lady_Eirtae 
Registered: Jun '05
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Date Posted: 3/24/06 12:26am Subject: RE: The Royal Handmaiden Society: Episode 9: Revenge of the Handmaidens
Ok V for Vendetta was good. Really...wow. Powerful film!

Next, I hope I am not spoiling it to say that the Queen (to my knowledge and I have read #4) have a common name. However, you do learn what Typho's first name is.

 

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Apailana 
Registered: Jun '05
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Date Posted: 3/24/06 1:15pm Subject: RE: The Royal Handmaiden Society: Episode 9: Revenge of the Handmaidens
She does or doesn't have a common name?

 

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Alishu06 
Registered: Mar '05
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Date Posted: 3/24/06 4:58pm Subject: RE: The Royal Handmaiden Society: Episode 9: Revenge of the Handmaidens - Date Edited: 3/24/06 5:01pm (1 edits total) Edited By: Alishu06
Okay so what book are we talking about?

Oh I have a vignette series that Padme's handmaidens are thinking...if you want to red it, part one is up in the saga, or you can look in my bio. Sorry no link.

 

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Obischick 
Registered: Aug '01
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Date Posted: 3/28/06 11:08am Subject: RE: The Royal Handmaiden Society: Episode 9: Revenge of the Handmaidens
Death on Naboo sounds very interesting. I'm inclined not to buy this one, as my opinions towards Jude Watson started not going so pleasant when she had Obi-Wan leave the Jedi Order and Qui-Gon fall in love with a Jedi Master whom I'm convinced was Watson in disguise... anyway.

Lady_Eirtae, now you've got me curious! What's Typho's first name? A while ago, I decided in my own universe that is was Voren, but if that was what Watson decided on, I'd be surprised! tongue

So I have a question for everyone:

Concerning the Handmaiden's Names

So, throughout the movies, we have: Padmé, Sabé, Rabé, Eirtaé, Saché, Yané, Dormé, Cordé, Versé, Ellé, and Moteé.

All the other women on Naboo that we have names for not counting Queens: Jobal, Sola, Pooja and Ryoo.

Why do all the Handmaidens (and Padmé) have 'é' at the end of their name and the "Common Naboo" don't? I've heard a bunch of theories, ranging from coincidence to the handmaidens picking new names when they join the Queen's retinue. Is it just the noble class that uses the 'é'? And if so, how did Padmé, but not Sola get it?

The theory I came up with post-TPM, pre-AotC was that this is just how the Naboo name their female children, it's a cultural thing, but then AotC sort of ruined that for me. What does everyone else think?

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Pandora26 
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Date Posted: 3/28/06 6:07pm Subject: RE: The Royal Handmaiden Society: Episode 9: Revenge of the Handmaidens - Date Edited: 3/28/06 6:09pm (1 edits total) Edited By: Pandora26
About the handmaidens' names:

Really, we don't know anything about why their names all have that special é. I don't think he of the flannel had any deep meaning behind it: In fact, I suspect that it was just a way to name and specify a group of minor characters. The é is just to show they are handmaidens, and to let Padmé blend in with them in TPM. But of course, this is Star Wars, and people are going to notice even a detail this small.

So: I do think there is no official explanation behind their names, nor will there be one. (And I should note that we don't know if the é applies to all handmaidens, or just Padmé's. After all, Jamillia and Apailana's handmaidens don't have names.)

In one of my recent fanfics (not named because I would get embarrassed), I had at least a few of the handmaidens choosing their names. MistressRenata also does this, though slightly differently, in her fanfic "A Force to Be Reckoned With." Personally, I think of this as a possiblity, not a theory. That is, it's possible, and makes some sense, that the handmaidens take a name with an é as part of their service, but it's not real. If you don't like it, you can dismiss it, just like that. It's not even fanon.

My reasoning is, and I've mentioned this elsewhere: I do think that it's too neat, too easy, for them to all have matching names like that. Possible? Yes. But not likely. Especially as we have, in the prequels, eight handmaidens with the é. The é might be a common qualifier, but even if I hadn't seen Padmé's female relatives in AOTC, I can't believe that *every female* on an entire planet has that in her name.

And it's clearly not so common that eight women would all, that conveniently, have it. Otherwise, characters other than Padmé and the handmaidens would have the é--and that is clearly not the case. Not a single other female character has it.

Yes, I'm rambling, but I hope my point was in there somewhere.

 

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Marmida 
Registered: Nov '04
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Date Posted: 3/29/06 7:58am Subject: RE: The Royal Handmaiden Society: Episode 9: Revenge of the Handmaidens
Maybe the Naboo girls are given two names; other with è, other without. If they choose an official career they use the é-name, otherwise the è-less one.

Just a thought...

 

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Amidolee 
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Date Posted: 3/29/06 4:52pm Subject: RE: The Royal Handmaiden Society: Episode 9: Revenge of the Handmaidens
I guess I've always just assumed the special e was more about what someone else said: an easy way to group the handmaidens for the movies. For some reason (laziness or maybe the hope there would ever be a canon note on it), I've never bothered to explain it in past fics. I just had them all coming in with those names. Now I'm wishing I'd actually gone into it maybe, because, yeah, AotC ruins the notion of it being a cultural thing.

Personally, I like the idea of the handmaidens choosing new names. Maybe they adopt the e because Padme has it in her name, and it's sort of like they're adopting a part of her. And it also just makes it slightly easier to go incognito, I guess (as long as you have slave boys who can't count tramping around).

 

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Pandora26 
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Date Posted: 3/29/06 7:41pm Subject: RE: The Royal Handmaiden Society: Episode 9: Revenge of the Handmaidens - Date Edited: 3/29/06 7:56pm (2 edits total) Edited By: Pandora26
Maybe they adopt the e because Padme has it in her name, and it's sort of like they're adopting a part of her.

I've considered this as a possibility before.

This would mean, I assume, that Pooja Naberrie's handmaidens, for example, would not have the é, but instead, their names would match hers, so you would have Saba instead of Sabé.

Just a thought, and I haven't actually put it to use in anything I've put out in public. Somehow, I just don't know how it will go over.

As in, someone might think, if not say, that's a handmaiden? Then where's the é in her name?

We really do associate the é with the handmaidens. Even though I just remembered that Ric Olié has it too...




ETA:

And there are ten named handmaidens in the prequels (not counting Padmé), not eight. For some reason I don't know, I remembered it that way. Apparently Ani isn't the only one who can't count.

 

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Obi Anne 
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Date Posted: 3/30/06 12:49am Subject: RE: The Royal Handmaiden Society: Episode 9: Revenge of the Handmaidens
I've always taken the "cultural" route when it comes to the names. Here most female names end with an a, and in French most names end in e, so I don't think it would be possible to find a limited group of people with that kind of name.

 

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Lady_Eirtae 
Registered: Jun '05
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Date Posted: 3/30/06 7:51pm Subject: RE: The Royal Handmaiden Society: Episode 9: Revenge of the Handmaidens
Obischick posted:
Death on Naboo sounds very interesting. I'm inclined not to buy this one, as my opinions towards Jude Watson started not going so pleasant when she had Obi-Wan leave the Jedi Order and Qui-Gon fall in love with a Jedi Master whom I'm convinced was Watson in disguise... anyway.

Lady_Eirtae, now you've got me curious! What's Typho's first name? A while ago, I decided in my own universe that is was Voren, but if that was what Watson decided on, I'd be surprised! tongue




I know the spelling is off, but it was Gregore (I think). I will have to check.

 

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Obischick 
Registered: Aug '01
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Date Posted: 4/1/06 9:21am Subject: RE: The Royal Handmaiden Society: Episode 9: Revenge of the Handmaidens
Gregore? Really?

HA!! I bet the handmaidens have fun with that and call him Gregoré. tongue Wow, the wierd things your brain comes up with when you've only just woken up...

Amidolee posted:
Personally, I like the idea of the handmaidens choosing new names. Maybe they adopt the e because Padme has it in her name, and it's sort of like they're adopting a part of her. And it also just makes it slightly easier to go incognito, I guess (as long as you have slave boys who can't count tramping around).


Lol, very true! Part of me almost wished I had their names like that too now, but part of me also still feels that I really want it to be a cultural thing, to set apart the Naboo from everyone else in the galaxy. I mean, they seem so isolated and against wanting to be part of a large community, especially in TPM (I mean, isn't that what Veruna was forced to abdicate because of? paying too much attention to the galaxy and not Naboo?). This would be a good way for the Naboo to distinguish themselves from everyone else.

Ha, I was just thinking about Padmé's parents, and I remember, for the longest time I kept getting confused about their names. I was consitantly thinking that Jobal was her dad and Ruweé was her mom. tongue doh!

Pandora26 posted:
Even though I just remembered that Ric Olié has it too...




ETA:

And there are ten named handmaidens in the prequels (not counting Padmé), not eight. For some reason I don't know, I remembered it that way. Apparently Ani isn't the only one who can't count.


As far as Ric Olié goes, I always thought that perhaps his mother or sister was a handmaiden to a Queen before Veruna, and this was his way of honoring her... but that's about as much attention I ever gave Ric. I never liked him very much. Captain Obvious indeed, more like Captain Oblivious. tired

And the Number of Handmaidens... well, there are eight that survived as far as we know. Five from TPM, one from AotC and two from RotS, and two that died, Cordé and Versé, so that would make ten. Unless you're talking about the ten that are in the Funeral Scene, which I like to think are the eight that survived and two of Apailana's that are trailing her.

Well, that's all I got folks... back to procrastinating my homework! happy

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padawanlissa 
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Date Posted: 4/1/06 3:51pm Subject: RE: The Royal Handmaiden Society: Episode 9: Revenge of the Handmaidens
I have a question. How do you type the é character? I have to use copy/paste.

 

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Apailana 
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Date Posted: 4/1/06 4:41pm Subject: RE: The Royal Handmaiden Society: Episode 9: Revenge of the Handmaidens
é [alt 0233]

 

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Knight-Ander 
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Date Posted: 4/1/06 5:16pm Subject: RE: The Royal Handmaiden Society: Episode 9: Revenge of the Handmaidens
Apailana posted:
é [alt 0233]


On your keypad, not on the numbers at the top of your keyboard.

 

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Lady_Eirtae 
Registered: Jun '05
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Date Posted: 4/1/06 6:35pm Subject: RE: The Royal Handmaiden Society: Episode 9: Revenge of the Handmaidens
I know there were kings...do you think they ever did anything with a decoy king? I don't see that being as easy due to make up and everything.

 

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