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Knight-Ander
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I think the Phantom Menace Visual Dictionary (or some sort of SW reference book like that) stated that the decoy plan was an old idea Captain Panaka reinstated when Queen Amidala took office.
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Roain_Xantos
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there's also alt 138
have i missed anything? i have been lost in the Wardrobe for some time now.
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Knight-Ander
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Roain_Xantos posted:
there's also alt 138
Which is the accent the other way, which is not typical of handmaiden names.
The "é" is pronounced like "-ay", how is the è pronounced?
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Pandora26
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I know there were kings...do you think they ever did anything with a decoy king?
That's a good question.
KnightAnder mentioned that the decoy plan was apparently an old idea that Panaka decided to reuse when Amidala was elected, and I've seen that around before. This indicates that the decoy plan has been used before, though perhaps not for a long time. I wonder if perhaps it was a relic from the time before what I think is called the Great Time of Peace--before Naboo took on its pacifist ways.
In my opinion, why Panaka decided to use the decoy plan, before he could have ever guessed it would be needed, is another question.
So-- I guess I'm moving up to thinking about whether a King of long ago Naboo might have had a decoy king. I'm not sure. I agree that the makeup is mainly what makes it work. Even though Padmé uses decoys in Episode II, it could really only be in situations where no one would see the decoy up close. Because I don't think that, without the makeup, the decoy plan could fool anyone who had met Padmé (or seen her holo picture) up close.
Yes, people see what they want to see, and that is the other part of what makes the decoy plan work. They expect to see the Queen, and so they don't look closely enough to see minor differences in facial features. But people can only be so blind. (And those politicans are like hawks with their lean and hungry looks.)
obischick:
Does anyone like Ric Olié? Personally, I've always been indifferent about him. I did always think he was playing Captain Obvious because he thought that Anakin, being a lil sand rat from Tatooine, didn't know nothing about the galaxy, and needed to have everything explained to him. And I do think that most of his obvious lines are spoken to Anakin. Hey, it's not like anyone else on board needs to be told that Coruscant is all one big city.
And I meant to count all ten of the handmaidens who are named in the prequels--which would be the eight presumably surviving ones, and the two who died. I know there are ten handmaidens in the funeral scene, and after watching it maybe about eight or so times, I think I've actually found most of them. It's the dim lighting, I tell you.
Oh:
And the alt0233 for the é doesn't work on laptops. There is a way to get it in microsoft word (ctrle') but it only works in word. So I just have to copy & paste--which is what I've just been doing in this post.
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padawanlissa
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None of those ways work for me  . Probably because I don't use Windows. alt i was supposed to work, but it doesn't either.
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bobilll
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dude, I miss a lot of stuff!
Ander posted:
The "é" is pronounced like "-ay", how is the è pronounced?
In french it's kind of soft, usually in between two constanants. Like "lève" sounds like dead.
There are definently ways to generate alt codes on macs...Hmm... let's see... Aha!
é: ALT+e then e
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I did always think he was playing Captain Obvious because he thought that Anakin, being a lil sand rat from Tatooine, didn't know nothing about the galaxy, and needed to have everything explained to him.
I dunno, Anakin wasn't exactly proving his knowledge back at him, though. I agree, Anakin's got great potential, but at that time, he seemed kinda clueless to me, too.
Sigh, as horrible as this sounds, I keep thinking the é's were just George's way of keeping track of all of them. I never got the impression that he liked handmaidens much.
Though the adopting-names-after-office theory definently trumps that theory in coolness.
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I, Cailina, pledge my full support to ensure that the RHS threads will continue in a fun but clean manner, in order to ensure our respect to the handmaidens whom we admire and adore.
As an official member of this thread, I will give my 100% support in order to make sure that the RHS continues in a fashion that is acceptable to everyone involved.
I haven't been here in a while....
In my opinion, why Panaka decided to use the decoy plan, before he could have ever guessed it would be needed, is another question.
Maybe one day he thought to himself "I have a bad feeling about this"?
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Obischick
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As for the é, ALT 130 (on the keypad) also works. And for laptops, if you look at the keys J K L M U I O, you should see little numbers in a different color on them. If you hold down Fn and Alt and then type 130 in, you should get é.
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As for Ric Olié, I could understand if he was talking to Anakin while making these blindly obvious statements, but c'mon. "There's the blockade!" ??? Oh really Ric? Is that what all those ship surrounding the planet for a month now are? Thank you for that facinating and deeply thought out observation! I mean, if he could have just said, "brace yourselve, we're about to go through the blockade!" It would have been okay, but geez. I just feel that that's one minor character that really got the shaft. He could have been cool. He could have been Wedge Antillies-esque. But his lines don't even sound that intelligent.
Okay, I am done, I promise, with my rant against Ric Olié and his bad lines and even worse hair.
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Sigh, as horrible as this sounds, I keep thinking the é's were just George's way of keeping track of all of them. I never got the impression that he liked handmaidens much.
Really? I never quite got that impression. I am sure he liked them less than we do, but I think that's the way most people are.  I think he viewed them as a plot device, and used them when he had to, when he need to further a plot or a plot point. Cordé and Versé's deaths where to prove a plot point: Someone was after Padmé, someone wanted her dead, and didn't care who they got while trying to get her. Therefore Padmé Needed Protection.
And that's probably why they weren't in RotS all that much. George didn't need them. The focus of the story was much more intimate, much smaller. Plus Threepio was there, and he's kind of like a really whiny handmaiden without the bodyguard training
And hi Cailina! Welcome back!
Maybe one day he thought to himself "I have a bad feeling about this"?
LOL! Fantastic... I bet that was it! 
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Knight-Ander posted:
Roain_Xantos posted:
there's also alt 138
Which is the accent the other way, which is not typical of handmaiden names.
The "é" is pronounced like "-ay", how is the è pronounced?
lol. the dumb blonde didn't notice...  i guess it would be the same. i dunno.
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Pandora26
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Obischick:
You know, I had completely forgotten Ric Olié's line about the blockade. There's no excuse for that. He definately wasn't talking to Anakin at the time. So, yes, it seems he just got stuck with bad lines. The ones I remembered were where he *was* talking to Anakin--either telling him how a ship runs, or about the nature of Coruscant, as one giant city! But I thought I might be forgetting something else.
Really, I think his obvious lines were mostly for the audience, who were assumed to not recognize a blockade when they see it. Otherwise, why have him say them?
I agree with you about Lucas's purpose for the handmaidens--I couldn't guess how he feels about them, but he definately used them as plot devices. In fact, I suspect the only reason the handmaidens are there is for the decoy trick. In Episode I, Padmé needs a group of people to become part of, and for the decoy to come from. In Episode II, well, someone needs to die to show the bad guys are serious, and it can't be Padmé, so a handmaiden goes down in her place. And then, you have Padmé leaving Coruscant, while Dormé stays behind as Amidala. I suppose you could say that they take on the Amidala role so that she can be Padmé.
(While the visual guide or some similar book claimed that Padmé used her handmaidens as decoys in Episode III, it's never actually shown in the movie, so I'm not counting it here.)
I should admit here that, personally, I don't like to use, or regard, characters merely as plot devices. I mean, redshirts with only one name are people too! (smiley face) That's why I think too much about minor characters, but there you are.
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In defense of Ric, he was probably really nervous at the time. When you get nervous, you state the obvious. Ric had no guns to fight with, and only "powerful shields" as defense. Notice his panic when the shield-generator was hit as well as his surprise and relief when R2 got it repaired. He probably thought they were all dead ducks without that shield.
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Ric had a lot going on, and I don't know about anyone else, but I try to keep busy when I am upset or truly stressed.
I just was wondering about if the Kings had guards instead of handmaidens.
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Pandora26
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In defense of Ric, he was probably really nervous at the time. When you get nervous, you state the obvious.
That's a good point. And, well, consider that Ric is from a planet that has had a pacifist culture for hundreds of years. He's never experienced anything like this before--first, the blockade, and then having to fly not just any ship, but the Queen's ship, whilst being shot at. Good thing they had R2 with them. Saving the day is his...speciality. (sorry.)
Still, I imagine that all of the Naboo must have been very scared during the escape from Naboo.
I don't dislike Ric (as I said earlier, I've always been really indifferent towards him), but I still think his dialogue isn't very good. Okay, I think most of the dialogue in TPM is so wooden that I could use it for firewood. Yes, I'm mean. I suppose if he said something like (in regards to the blockade) "There it is!" that might not have been so bad... He's pointing it out, but he doesn't have to say what it is.
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Pandora26 posted:
That's a good point. And, well, consider that Ric is from a planet that has had a pacifist culture for hundreds of years. He's never experienced anything like this before--first, the blockade, and then having to fly not just any ship, but the Queen's ship, whilst being shot at. Good thing they had R2 with them. Saving the day is his...speciality. (sorry.)
omg, i love how Obi-Wan says that in Ep. III
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You guys are a bad influence! I've been trying to work on my thesis, but I took a break to catch up on the thread. Great discussions here. Wish I could participate more. Was inspired to make this vid for you all. Not as good as my A**** S*** one, but I hope you enjoy. 
Is it summer yet?
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