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DarkStarkiller
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3/30 6:57pm
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Dooku takes Kriea/Traya, Revan would probably take Mace. Revan then takes Dooku in a close match.
ROTS Cin Drallig vs. AOTC Shaak Ti and Anakin
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darthsith19
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Hmm... close but go with Cin. I would put Cin on Maul's level and a not-at-full-strength Maul would have beaten TPM Jinn and Kenobi if Kenobi hadn't gotten lucky at the end, and I'd put that duo above this one. Individual strength between the 2 teams is close, but the Jinn/Kenobi duo would work better together.
zamwesell44 posted:
Sidious is stronger than Yoda, you know this, and ROTJ Sidious is stronger than ROTS Sidious.
Please not what I said: "Sidious, who is basically Yoda's equal." Basically, and yeah, they basically are equals. I do put Sidious over Yoda in a fight due to him winning the fight in ROTS, but you've got to admit in different circumstances Yoda could possibly win. Yoda did, after-all, disarm Sidious and in the end the Force Lightning match was a stalemate, with Yoda only losing because he was closer to the edge of the pod.
And, prove that ROTJ Palpatine was stronger. Anyways for Vader to equal Vader, OT Palpatine would have to be 125% of what he was in the PT (since Vader is 80% of Sidious and Yoda is approx. Sidious's equal).
zamwesell44 posted:
You put way to much on that one comic that was not even canon for a long time. Vader has shown far greater force powers than Maul.
No, I don't. All sources must be taken into consideration. And when was it not canon? It doesn't even matter if it was non-canon ever though because it is now, it's just as canon as a novel or any other comic. ANd, if Vader could have used the Force to help him against Maul, he would have. Vader also had quite the fight with The Dark Woman, and ANH Kenobi was matching him, so no, Yoda would beat him, Yoda's ahead of Kenobi and The Dark Woman.
zamwesell44 posted:
He kicked him before he started using the darkside, and when he was fighting with Kenobi. Anakin had to hold back when fighting with Kenobi b/c they fought as a team.
No, Anakin was using the dark side when he kicked Dooku. He was pissed when Dooku hurt Kenobi, and even screams in anger as he leaps into the air and kicks him. But that's besides the point, his kick knocked the wind out of Dooku and whether or not he was using the dark side when he kicked him is irrelevant. ANd, I agree that he was forced to hold back when he was fighting alongside Kenobi. So? WHat has that got to do with anything?
zamwesell44 posted:
laugh
What is so funny? It's true, show me one time where you haven't walked away.
zamwesell44 posted:
That's not the quote at all and you know it.
Yes, it is. From The Making of Revenge of the Sith, George Lucas says that one would have to be either Mace or Yoda to compete with Palpatine, and that if Anakin had suffered none of his injuries, he could have beaten the Emperor. The direct quote (as I remember it) is: "You have to be Mace or Yoda to contend with the Emperor. Anakin would have been able to if he hadn't gotten injured."
What's your version of it?
Also, Lucas from the ESB Audio Commentary:
"In terms of Sith, if you have Sith Lords there's usually no more than two because if there's three, two of them will gang up on one of them to try and become the dominant Sith. And Anakin would have been able to do it if he hadn't been debilitated. And now he's half machine and half man so he's lost a lot of the power in the Force and has lost a lot of feasibility to be more powerful than the Emperor."
Shaak Ti (ROTS) and Anakin (AOTC) vs. TPM Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan
"In terms of Sith, if you have Sith Lords there's usually no more than two because if there's three, two of them will gang up on one of them to try and become the dominant Sith. And Anakin would have been able to do it if he hadn't been debilitated. And now he's half machine and half man so he's lost a lot of the power in the Force and has lost a lot of feasibility to be more powerful than the Emperor."
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Rossa83
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3/31 6:58am
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That's a close one... Shaak Ti would struggle against Qui-Gon - most likely lose. OBW isn't quite up there with AOTC Anakin I think, but not lagging far behind either... The duel could go either way I think...
aaargh, I have to go with Shaak Ti and Anakin, but not feeling happy about it 
Shaak Ti and Ki-Adi both ROTS vs Kit Fisto and OBW both ROTS
(maybe it has been done before?)
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Darthbane2007
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Shaak and Obi-Wan
ROTS Palpatine Vs. Darth Caedus and Darth Krayt
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Rossa83
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How could shaak and OBW win when the question was:
Shaak Ti and Ki-Adi both ROTS vs Kit Fisto and OBW both ROTS?
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darthsith19
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3/31 1:44pm
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It's okay, he probably just got confused or read it wrong.
I go with Kenobi and Fisto. Fisto would be a match for Shaak Ti. Ti was chosen by Mace to help him search for Palpatine in LoE, but Kit was chosen by him twice, once to accompany him to deal with Crimson Nova during the Clone Wars, the second time being to accompany him in the arrest of Palpatine in ROTS. Ti killed one of Dooku's Dark Acolytes, but Kit dueled Asajj Ventress and put up a great fight, and was Obi-Wan's superior 1 year into the Clone Wars. Ti pwns a bunch of Magnaguards in the Clone Wars Cartoon, Kit pwns a bunch of Magnaguards in LoE. So a duel between then2 of them would be close.
Now, for Obi vs. Ki-Adi. Ki-Adi is more powerful than most people give him credit for and wouldn't go down easy, but I doubt he could penetrate Kenobi's defenses with a saber. Dooku couldn't (he had to use the Force to penetrate Kenobi's defenses), Dark-Side Anakin couldn't, and Grievous couldn't. If Ki-Adi uses the Force he has a chance, but Jedi aren't supposed to use offensive Force Powers so it wouldn't help him much. I say Kenobi takes out Ki after a while and then together he and Kit curbstomp Shaak Ti.
For Darthbane2007, Caedus and Krayt easily beat Sidious. Judging by the fact that alone Caedus put up a great fight against LotF Luke Skywalker, and even injured him, he alone would probably trash Sidious in a duel. Krayt should be on Sidious's team, not Caedus's team.
ROTS Sidious and Darth Krayt vs. Darth Caedus (at his peak)
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ZamWesell44
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Sidious and Krayt
darthsith19 posted:
What's your version of it?
You said contend with, he said he could beat him, and that ROTS Anakin was AS strong as Sidious. "From then on." You know what I am talking about.
darthsith19 posted:
What is so funny?
I was laughing at what you said, that you always win.  What do you win?
darthsith19 posted:
If Ki-Adi uses the Force he has a chance
Ki-adi would not beat Kenobi no matter what he did. No jedi could except for Yoda and proably Mace and Anakin if he did not have mental problems.
Cin Drallig, Shaak Ti,ROTS v Ki-adi,ROTS, Maul
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darthsith19
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Probably Ki-Adi and Maul but close.
zamwesell44 posted:
You said contend with, he said he could beat him, and that ROTS Anakin was AS strong as Sidious. "From then on." You know what I am talking about.
Lucas said they are the only ones who can contend with the Emperor, not beat him. There are 2 quotes saying Anakin would have been able to beat Sidious if he hadn't gotten injured, and only one saying he was once AS strong as Sidious. The 2 quotes override the one, the quotes are from ESB Audio Comentary and The Making of Revenge of the Sith (it's a sourcebook). ANd content from the movie goes along with the 2 quotes.
zamwesell44 posted:
I was laughing at what you said, that you always win. laugh What do you win?
The debate. You see, in a debate, if one person walks away that counts as that person conceding. Conceding in a debate means giving up, admitting your wrong, and that the person whom you are debating against is correct. You always walk away from our debates after a few posts, therefore conceding, or, in giving up, if that's easier for you to understand.
zamwesell44 posted:
Ki-adi would not beat Kenobi no matter what he did. No jedi could except for Yoda and proably Mace and Anakin if he did not have mental problems.
Ki-Adi Mundi is one of the most powerful Jedi in the ROTS Jedi Order. Mundi is more powerful than Kenobi is with the Force, so yes, he does have a chance. In case you forgot, this is what a bruised and fatigued Ki-Adi Mundi can do:
Not to mention, if it came down to an unarmed fight, Mundi would smash Kenobi:
DE Sidious vs. Darth Caedus (at his peak)
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ZamWesell44
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3/31 4:33pm
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Caedus most likely
darthsith19 posted:
The 2 quotes override the one,
No they don't. Lucas said he was as strong as Sidious, and he could beat him twice. He never said when in either one.
darthsith19 posted:
The debate. You see, in a debate, if one person walks away that counts as that person conceding
It's not conceding DS, it's ridiculous to debate something over and over again, especially when you are wrong.
darthsith19 posted:
Mundi is more powerful than Kenobi is with the Force
Him doing that in that comic does not mean he is stronger than Kenobi. Kenobi in fighting Durge and Grievous in the Clone Wars has shown that type of power, and saber wise there is no question who would win. Bottom line, its not really debatable on who would take a Ki-adi/Kenobi fight.
darthsith19 posted:
Not to mention, if it came down to an unarmed fight, Mundi would smash Kenobi:
B/c of the one picture, he could overpower Kenobi.  Anakin looked like that, he couldn't do it. Anyway its a stupid comic, and does not mean hes stronger than Kenobi.
Ki-adi,ROTS v Darth Maul
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darthsith19
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That is very, very close. I lean towards Maul but it could go either way.
zamwesell44 posted:
No they don't. Lucas said he was as strong as Sidious, and he could beat him twice. He never said when in either one.
yeah they do. 2 > 1. And he did say when, he said IF he didn't get injured he would have been able to compete with him. That's in future tense.
zamwesell44 posted:
It's not conceding DS, it's ridiculous to debate something over and over again, especially when you are wrong.
So that's why you keep debating over and over again? Wow, and yes, walking away from a debate = quitting which counts as automatically conceding, but if it makes you feel better to think that you're winning these debates then you can keep thinking that. We'll see who walks away from this one.
zamwesell44 posted:
Kenobi in fighting Durge and Grievous in the Clone Wars has shown that type of power
He did? What did he do against them that showed a display of Force Powers as great at Mundi's?
zamwesell44 posted:
and saber wise there is no question who would win.
Which is why I said: "Ki-Adi is more powerful than most people give him credit for and wouldn't go down easy, but I doubt he could penetrate Kenobi's defenses with a saber."
zamwesell44 posted:
Bottom line, its not really debatable on who would take a Ki-adi/Kenobi fight.
That's why we're not debating who would win a Ki-Adi/Kenobi fight. I said Kenobi would win but it would be close, you found reason to respond to that. We both agreed that Kenobi would be the winner. You apparently disagree that it would be close, and that's what we're debating, not who would win.
zamwesell44 posted:
B/c of the one picture, he could overpower Kenobi. doh!
To quote myself:
darthsith19 posted:
if it came down to an unarmed fight, Mundi would smash Kenobi:
And, I was half joking. But unless you can prove that Kenobi is above average in unarmed combat, Mundi would take him due to his immense physical strength.
zamwesell44 posted:
Anakin looked like that
When was this? I seem to remember ROTS Anakin having ripped abs and looking in-shape, but not having muscles like Mundi. If there was another time when Anakin was as strong physically as Mundi was, please say when.
zamwesell44 posted:
he couldn't do it.
He couldn't? I wasn't aware that Kenobi and Anakin ever had an unarmed fight, or that Kenobi won. When was this?
zamwesell44 posted:
Anyway its a stupid comic, and does not mean hes stronger than Kenobi.
Was it? Have you read the comic, then? What was so stupid about it? I haven't read it so if it's dumb I'd like to know so I don't read it. But yes, that picture does show that Mundi is physically stronger than Kenobi is, which is what I said in the first place. Look more carefully next time.
Ki-Adi Mundi (ROTS) vs. Sora Bulq (in his prime)
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ZamWesell44
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Ki-adi-Mundi
darthsith19 posted:
That's in future tense.
No it's not, again. He just said Anakin could have beat him, and Anakin was as strong as Sidious. I don't know what it is you can not understand about that.
darthsith19 posted:
I said Kenobi would win but it would be close,
No, you said Ki-adi was stronger in the force, and would have a chance. You said that a few posts ago genius.
darthsith19 posted:
But yes, that picture does show that Mundi is physically stronger than Kenobi is
It's a just a drawing it means nothing. Kenobi was able to match Anakin physically in ROTS, and I guess you have not read the ROTS novel, b/c his physical strength is described more than once, and it's not just a drawing of him sitting down.
Grievous,ROTS, Maul v Ki-adi,ROTS, Cin Drallig
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darthsith19
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3/31 7:49pm
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Cin and Ki-Adi
zamwesell44 posted:
No it's not, again. He just said Anakin could have beat him, and Anakin was as strong as Sidious. I don't know what it is you can not understand about that.
Because that's NOT all he said. The full quote is "Anakin would have been able to do it [beat Sidious] if he hadn't been debilitated.". Don't post half a quite and say it's the whole thing, we've been over this quote like what, 100 times, and I've read it many times, you can't get away with half a quote. If there's another quote that doesn't have the "if he didn't get injured" on the end please post it.
zamwesell44 posted:
No, you said Ki-adi was stronger in the force, and would have a chance. You said that a few posts ago genius.
To quote myself:
darthsith19 posted:
I say Kenobi takes out Ki after a while and then together he and Kit curbstomp Shaak Ti.
Yes, I said Ki has a chance. Pretty much anybody has a chance of beating anybody. Ki has a good enough chance of beating Kenobi that is it worth mentioning, but it is slim chance.
zamwesell44 posted:
It's a just a drawing it means nothing. Kenobi was able to match Anakin physically in ROTS, and I guess you have not read the ROTS novel, b/c his physical strength is described more than once, and it's not just a drawing of him sitting down.
1. How does it being a drawing make it mean nothing? It shows how powerful Ki-Adi's body is, it is from a canon comic, so yes, it does mean something.
2. When did Kenobi match Anakin physically. I seem to remember Anakin choking him and being cocky and then kenobi gets an unexpected kick in, knocks Anakin over, and dwings a lihtsaber at him. Anakin blocks it with his lightsaber and, using his superior physical strength, he lifts Kenobi's lightsaber back up until he is able to get out of there.
3. Mundi sitting down, completely relaxed, not flexing or anything, and still looking that strong makes it even more amazing. You obviously no nothing about muscle.
4. Post quotes from the novel then.
Imperial Knight vs. Magnaguard
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DarkStarkiller
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I'd say an Imperial Knight.
Darth Maul and Sidious vs Krayt and Sassee Tinn (sp)
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Rossa83
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Darth Maul and Sidious vs Krayt and Sassee Tinn (sp)
Maul would take Saesee Tinn, and Sideous would quite easily take Krayt I think. Krayt lost quite convincingly to OBW, then bordering on the dark-side.
Darthsith19: you and Zamwessel have it going it seems I mostly agree with you, and I too think Ki-Adi is underrated. However, I don't see any real proof that he is stronger in the force than OBW. Physical strength is also inconsequential next to the force. Just think of Yoda who shrugs off both Dooku and Sideous in saber locks (proving in fact he is stronger in the force?) and OBW being able to hold off GG in a saber lock - that isn't pure muscle... I think OBW would take Ki-Adi, but it wouldn't be an easy fight...
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The strongest three Jedi Masters you can think of (EU included) vs. the strongest three Sith you can think of (EU included)
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Darthbane2007
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Chuck Norris, Mr. T, and God would win, no doubt.
ROTS Anakin, LOTF Luke, Yoda, ROTS Mace Vs. Darth Bane, ROTJ Vader, Palpatine, Darth Caedus, and Darth Krayt
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