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darthsith19 
Registered: May '04
7573_Darth Maul
Date Posted: 4/1 1:37pm Subject: RE: _____ vs. _____
Sidious and Yoda go at it. Assuming it's ROTS Sidious, it would last a long time.

Caedus goes for Luke.

Vader goes for Anakin

That leaves Mace to deal with Krayt and Bane.


Mace and Vader die first. Then Krayt and Bane go and confront Anakin. I'd assuming this is Bane in his prime, btw. Next Anakin, and Caedus die at the same time. Luke goes and confronts Bane and Krayt. Bane has armor that is able to block a lightsaber, and has very few weakspots. Krayt has armor that is lightsaber resistant. This would make it a good fight, but I think eventually Luke would get through Krayt's armor or hit him in one of his weak spots, and Krayt would go down.

Then, Sidious would kill Yoda and join Bane. This would be a good fight. Eventually I think Luke would kill Sidious though, and then he'd use the Force to kill Bane (there is one Force move that can get through Bane's armor but I won't say which one incase people haven't read Rule of Two yet). However, Bane's armor constantly pumps adrenaline into his body, so while Luke and Sidious would be tired, Bane would be fully energized, so it would be close for sure.


Those are my thoughts but you sure made a versus that is very disputable, with many variables.









Rossa83 posted:
Darthsith19: you and Zamwessel have it going it seems tongue I mostly agree with you, and I too think Ki-Adi is underrated. However, I don't see any real proof that he is stronger in the force than OBW. Physical strength is also inconsequential next to the force. Just think of Yoda who shrugs off both Dooku and Sideous in saber locks (proving in fact he is stronger in the force?) and OBW being able to hold off GG in a saber lock - that isn't pure muscle... I think OBW would take Ki-Adi, but it wouldn't be an easy fight...


Yeah we are always going at it. Yoda's lightsaber is shorter which gives him an advantage in saber locks, the shorter weapon would have a better leverage advantage in that situation. But yes, with Grievous it is Obi-Wan using the Force to add to his strength, but did you see the picture I posted of Mundi using the Force? What has Kenobi done witht he Force that tops that?




Rossa83 posted:
The strongest three Jedi Masters you can think of (EU included) vs. the strongest three Sith you can think of (EU included)

Darthbane2007 didn't really answer this, since God, Chuck Norris and Mr. T aren't Jedi, so I will. I think that tis would be DE Sidious, Darth Caedus and Nihilus vs. NJO Luke, Yoda and I'm not sure who else would be there cause there are a few Jedi who might be #3 but I say Kol Skywalker. Caedus gave Luke a good fight in Inferno. Nihilus could pwn the other 2 with one of his all-powerful Force drains. Then Nihilus, Sidious and Cedus together would make short work of Luke.











Darth Nihilus vs. Darth Caedus?

 

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ZamWesell44 
Registered: Sep '03
23759_Asajj Ventress
Date Posted: 4/1 2:52pm Subject: RE: _____ vs. _____
Darth Caedus, no doubt


darthsith19 posted:
If there's another quote that doesn't have the "if he didn't get injured" on the end please post it.


The quote that you always says is canceled out, where Lucas said "From then on" he wasn't as strong as Sidious.


darthsith19 posted:
Pretty much anybody has a chance of beating anybody.
What? So Coleman Trebor would have a chance against Sidious?


darthsith19 posted:
2. When did Kenobi match Anakin physically.
All throughout the ROTS fight, if you read the novel, not only is Anakin's physical strength described, but Kenobi was able to fight him very well, he's not as strong, but he is a very good fighter.


darthsith19 posted:
You obviously no nothing about muscle.

laugh You got me. Just b/c ripped does mean he's strong. Everybody is ripped and strong looking in comics and cartoons. I am not saying he's not strong but just b/c he looks like that in that drawing does not mean he could manhandle Kenobi.

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Darthbane2007 
Registered: Oct '07
13725_Lando and Han
Date Posted: 4/1 4:42pm Subject: RE: _____ vs. _____
Anakin and Shaak.

LOTF Luke, ROTJ Vader, ROTS Anakin, Palpatine, and Yoda Vs. Darth Caedus, Darth Krayt, Darth Bane, Exar Kun

 

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DarkStarkiller 
Registered: Jul '07
22834_Darth Maul
Date Posted: 4/1 4:59pm Subject: RE: _____ vs. _____
It would be tough, but I'm gonna go for the Sith on this one. Exar alone could proabably take a Vader and maybe ROTS Anakin

 

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darthsith19 
Registered: May '04
7573_Darth Maul
Date Posted: 4/1 8:49pm Subject: RE: _____ vs. _____
You forgot to post a new one.





zamwesell44 posted:
The quote that you always says is canceled out, where Lucas said "From then on" he wasn't as strong as Sidious.

That one says he was equal to Sidious in ROTS. So we have one quote saying he is equal with ROTS Sidious, and 2 more plus a movie saying that he is below Sidious. I think 3 quotes + a movie > 1 quote.



zamwesell44 posted:
What? So Coleman Trebor would have a chance against Sidious?

Yes. Maybe only about a .01% chance, but still a chance.



zamwesell44 posted:
All throughout the ROTS fight, if you read the novel, not only is Anakin's physical strength described, but Kenobi was able to fight him very well, he's not as strong, but he is a very good fighter.


Unfortunately, the movie is what counts, not the novel. In the movie we see Kenobi swing his lightsaber at Anakin's chest, and Anakin blocks it and calmly lifts Kenobi's lightsaber back up, thus showing that he is physically stronger than Kenobi.



zamwesell44 posted:
You got me. Just b/c ripped does mean he's strong.


He's just ripped, but not strong, huh? No be ripped you have to have muscle, otherwise nothing would e showing through your skin. Look at that picture again, he IS strong, you can see is muscles, you can't be not strong and just have a low bodyfat percentage and look that big.





By your logic, that guy is not strong, he is just ripped.





zamwesell44 posted:
Everybody is ripped and strong looking in comics and cartoons. I am not saying he's not strong but just b/c he looks like that in that drawing does not mean he could manhandle Kenobi.

Really? I don;t remember Anakin looking ripped in any comics. or Obi-Wan. Maul was pretty ripped in the Darth Maul comics, and Quinlan Vos is strong looking, but not like Mundi. Bane was huge in his comics, but then again he was the strongest Cortosis Miner on Apatros before he became a Sith Lord. So no - Superman, Captain American, The Hulk, they might look strong in comic books, yes, but that's because the posses super strength. I don't see any other Jedi in comics looking like Mundi does.












Kol Skywalker vs. ROTS Darth Sidious

 

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Rossa83 
Registered: Sep '05
6189_Yoda
Date Posted: 4/2 12:36pm Subject: RE: _____ vs. _____
One small question:

The Star Wars Community is a subcategory to "Star Wars Films." Should EU-characters be given as much prominence as movie characters? Shouldn't they at least be downplayed some, as we know that movie characters too are portrayed far more powerful in books, comics and so on.

Ki-Adi may for instance look extremely muscular in that comic, but in the movies he isn't! He is slim with a good posture! Thus the comic is exaggerated.

Not answering any previous posts here - just wondering happy

 

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darthsith19 
Registered: May '04
7573_Darth Maul
Date Posted: 4/2 1:37pm Subject: RE: _____ vs. _____ - Date Edited: 4/2 1:38pm (1 edits total) Edited By: darthsith19
Rossa83 posted:
The Star Wars Community is a subcategory to "Star Wars Films." Should EU-characters be given as much prominence as movie characters? Shouldn't they at least be downplayed some, as we know that movie characters too are portrayed far more powerful in books, comics and so on.

This is a versus section, and EU characters are to be included as well. EU characters should be treated just the same as movie characters, after all, most movie characters appear in several EU sources as well.



Rossa83 posted:
Ki-Adi may for instance look extremely muscular in that comic, but in the movies he isn't! He is slim with a good posture! Thus the comic is exaggerated.

Not it isn't exaggerated. His robes hide his muscles. Remember, Anakin, Obi-Wan, and many other movie characters also appear in comics but they don't look like Mundi did in the comic.








Kol Skywalker vs. ROTS Sidious

 

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Rossa83 
Registered: Sep '05
6189_Yoda
Date Posted: 4/2 2:32pm Subject: RE: _____ vs. _____
It is exaggerated, look at this picture:



Look at his shoulders and his upper right arm under the robe - there just isn't room for that kind of muscles your comic is describing. Hell, I'm just as muscular as Ki-Adi movie-figure is...


I think Kol Skywalker would give Sideous a good run for his money - although after what I've read on Wookiepedia, Kol had a weakness for Sith lightning, and thus my money is on Sideous...

Wookiepedia refers to Kol's death: after he had been burnt, his body dissapeared and he became one with the force (loosely quoted) - now, that is BS as all who die becomes one with the force; becoming a force ghost is retaining your identity...

Ki-Adi ROTS and OBW ROTS vs ROTJ Luke and ROTJ Vader (as how they are shown in the movies)


 

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darthsith19 
Registered: May '04
7573_Darth Maul
Date Posted: 4/2 3:13pm Subject: RE: _____ vs. _____
All we see Ki-Adi do in the movies is get caught off guard by a bunch of Clones and shot. That really doesn't tell us how powerful he is. If we use EU, though, I think Mundi could beat Luke while Kenobi holds off Vader. Then together Mundi and Kenobi could beat Vader.






Rossa83 posted:
Look at his shoulders and his upper right arm under the robe - there just isn't room for that kind of muscles your comic is describing. Hell, I'm just as muscular as Ki-Adi movie-figure is...



What are you, a professional bodybuilder? Lol, again, his robes hide his muscle.





Looking at Arnold there, you wouldn't expect him to be so huge underneath his suit, would you? Same does with Mundi and his robe. Listen, that's Arnold with a suit on, this is him with no shirt on:







Similarly, this is Ki-Adi with a robe on:




and him without a robe on:








It's all because of his robe.



Rossa83 posted:
although after what I've read on Wookiepedia, Kol had a weakness for Sith lightning

If it says that, it's bs. What happened was, Kol knocks out Darth Nihl, then takes on like 20 Sith Lords at once, plus a ****load of Storm Troopers, and when Nihl revives, he shoots Kol from the back with Sith Lightning while Kol is distracted by all the other Sith Lords. That doesn't mean he has a weakness for Sith Lightning, though.








Kol vs. Darth Krayt?

 

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DarkStarkiller 
Registered: Jul '07
22834_Darth Maul
Date Posted: 4/2 3:54pm Subject: RE: _____ vs. _____
Kol, but Krayt would put up a good fight.

ROTS Kit Fisto and Cin Drallig vs. Yoda

 

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darthsith19 
Registered: May '04
7573_Darth Maul
Date Posted: 4/2 4:24pm Subject: RE: _____ vs. _____
Yoda, but not easily.


A'Sharad Hett vs. Cin Drallig (both ROTS)?

 

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Darthbane2007 
Registered: Oct '07
13725_Lando and Han
Date Posted: 4/2 5:38pm Subject: RE: _____ vs. _____
darthsith19 posted:
All we see Ki-Adi do in the movies is get caught off guard by a bunch of Clones and shot. That really doesn't tell us how powerful he is. If we use EU, though, I think Mundi could beat Luke while Kenobi holds off Vader. Then together Mundi and Kenobi could beat Vader.






Rossa83 posted:
Look at his shoulders and his upper right arm under the robe - there just isn't room for that kind of muscles your comic is describing. Hell, I'm just as muscular as Ki-Adi movie-figure is...



What are you, a professional bodybuilder? Lol, again, his robes hide his muscle.





Looking at Arnold there, you wouldn't expect him to be so huge underneath his suit, would you? Same does with Mundi and his robe. Listen, that's Arnold with a suit on, this is him with no shirt on:







Similarly, this is Ki-Adi with a robe on:




and him without a robe on:








It's all because of his robe.



Rossa83 posted:
although after what I've read on Wookiepedia, Kol had a weakness for Sith lightning

If it says that, it's bs. What happened was, Kol knocks out Darth Nihl, then takes on like 20 Sith Lords at once, plus a ****load of Storm Troopers, and when Nihl revives, he shoots Kol from the back with Sith Lightning while Kol is distracted by all the other Sith Lords. That doesn't mean he has a weakness for Sith Lightning, though.








Kol vs. Darth Krayt?



Well to be honest, The pics of them with their muscles showing are from when they were much younger than they are now.

 

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ZamWesell44 
Registered: Sep '03
23759_Asajj Ventress
Date Posted: 4/2 6:15pm Subject: RE: _____ vs. _____
Cin Drallig

darthsith19 posted:
and 2 more plus a movie saying that he is below Sidious.
They don't say he is below, they say he could beat him, neither one say Anakin of the future could beat him, just Anakin could do it.


darthsith19 posted:
thus showing that he is physically stronger than Kenobi.


Ok, Nobody doubts that, but nevertheless Kenobi was still able to fight him very well. It's not just who is stronger, its whos better.


darthsith19 posted:
By your logic, that guy is not strong, he is just ripped.

That's not a drawing, that is a picture of some steroid freak.


And i guess by your logic this skinny guy is not strong??




Trust me, he would beat the hell out of those steroid freaks you posted.


Anakin,ROTS,Aayla,ROTS v Kenobi,ROTS, Shaak Ti,ROTS



 

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darthsith19 
Registered: May '04
7573_Darth Maul
Date Posted: 4/2 7:30pm Subject: RE: _____ vs. _____ - Date Edited: 4/2 7:32pm (1 edits total) Edited By: darthsith19
Kenobi holds off Anakin, Shaak kills Aayla, Shaak and Kenobi double team Anakin and win.



Darthbane2007 posted:
Well to be honest, The pics of them with their muscles showing are from when they were much younger than they are now.

That is true, however, Arnold Schwarzenegger has continued to lift weights even today, and is still very muscular. The pics you may have seen of him on the beach, looking old and saggy, are photo shopped. If you're seen terminator 3, you know that he is still very muscular. Ki-Adi-Mundi is a Jedi and through training would have retained much of his muscle even if he may have lost some of it. He would still be physically stronger than Obi-Wan is.


zamwesell44 posted:
They don't say he is below, they say he could beat him, neither one say Anakin of the future could beat him, just Anakin could do it.

DO you know how to read? They don't say "Anakin could have done it before he got injured". they say "Anakin could have done it if he hadn't gotten injured." if he had NOT gotten injured he could have done it, is what they say. Learn English.



zamwesell44 posted:
Ok, Nobody doubts that, but nevertheless Kenobi was still able to fight him very well. It's not just who is stronger, its whos better.

I NEVER said any different. All this started because I stated that Mundi is physically stronger than Kenobi, which is true. Then you went on to say that Anakin was as strong physically as Mundi, which isn't true, and that Kenobi matched Anakin physically (also not true).



zamwesell44 posted:
That's not a drawing, that is a picture of some steroid freak.

It doesn't matter; you states that Mundi was ripped not strong. And that steroid freak is ripped like Mundi is in the comic. So by that same beautiful logic of yours, that guy isn't strong.



zamwesell44 posted:

And i guess by your logic this skinny guy is not strong??

Actually, it was your logic. You were the one that said "he's ripped not strong" and I was the one saying that wasn't true. So, now you're posting on my side of the argument, for some reason? And, no, that guy with his clothes on does not look strong. Maybe he is, idk, but with his clothes on he does not look strong. Same as Mundi looks with his clothes on. SO he could be strong underneath.



zamwesell44 posted:
Trust me, he would beat the hell out of those steroid freaks you posted.


ROFL! Beat the hell out of the at what, baseball? Yeah, in a fight, at lifting weights? Hell no. Before we turn this into a huge muscle debate, note that I do NOT think those guys look good, I was merely using them as examples to prove a point. The first guy was Ronnie Coleman, he's 5'11 and weighs 300 lbs., and yes, he does use steroids all the time, but steroids do help you gain muscle a lot. Steroids don't just make you look strong, they make you strong, and yes, it is cheating, and I would never do steroids and I'm opposed to them, but that's what they do, is they make you strong. One punch from Ronnie Coleman and your little itty baseball pitcher would be knocked out cold.





The other guy was Arnold Schwarzenegger, and he would kill that baseball player. How big is that baseball player?











ROTS General Grievous vs. Darth Krayt

 

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ZamWesell44 
Registered: Sep '03
23759_Asajj Ventress
Date Posted: 4/2 8:07pm Subject: RE: _____ vs. _____
Grievous

darthsith19 posted:
They don't say "Anakin could have done it before he got injured". they say "Anakin could have done it if he hadn't gotten injured." if he had NOT gotten injured he could have done it, is what they say. Learn English.

They say "Anakin could have beat him." That's it. How do you know it's not ROTS Anakin, and especially since he said in Rolling Stone that he was "as strong" as Sidious.


darthsith19 posted:
Then you went on to say that Anakin was as strong physically as Mundi, which isn't true,
How do you know that?? Are you just going by that one drawing??


darthsith19 posted:
ROFL! Beat the hell out of the at what, baseball? Yeah, in a fight, at lifting weights? Hell no. Before we turn this into a huge muscle debate, note that I do NOT think those guys look good, I was merely using them as examples to prove a point. The first guy was Ronnie Coleman, he's 5'11 and weighs 300 lbs., and yes, he does use steroids all the time, but steroids do help you gain muscle a lot. Steroids don't just make you look strong, they make you strong, and yes, it is cheating, and I would never do steroids and I'm opposed to them, but that's what they do, is they make you strong.
doh! Omg, DS, you don't even know who Kelly Pavlik is?


darthsith19 posted:
One punch from Ronnie Coleman and your little itty baseball pitcher would be knocked out cold

laugh I would pay money to see that freak try to fight Kelly.


darthsith19 posted:
Kenobi holds off Anakin, Shaak kills Aayla, Shaak and Kenobi double team Anakin and win.

that's the only sensible post you have made in a while.


The Dark Woman, Darth maul v Kenobi,ROTS,Aayla,ROTS










 

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