Author Topic: A Fateful Bond: The Anakin/Obi-Wan Brotherhood Fan Thread V 2.0
Icestar63 
Registered: Nov '05
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Date Posted: 9/29 9:46pm Subject: RE: A Fateful Bond: The Anakin/Obi-Wan Brotherhood Fan Thread V 2.0
I am probably the only one who has not seen it yet. sad

 

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GS335 
Registered: Feb '01
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Date Posted: 10/2 9:59pm Subject: RE: A Fateful Bond: The Anakin/Obi-Wan Brotherhood Fan Thread V 2.0
What do you guys think Anakin and Obi Wan's political views are?

After watching Rots, I think its safe to say that Anakin is a Republican. I mean, he does sound like a typical rightie, who is similar to George W. Bush in the sense that he thinks extremism is okay when in reality, its not.

As for Obi Wan, I think he's definately a Democrat. He's for democracy and working together, which is similar to the views of Bill Clinton and even Barack Obama.

What do you guys think?

 

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Master_Starwalker 
Registered: Sep '03
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Date Posted: 10/2 11:13pm Subject: RE: A Fateful Bond: The Anakin/Obi-Wan Brotherhood Fan Thread V 2.0 - Date Edited: 10/2 11:15pm (1 edits total) Edited By: Master_Starwalker
I think it depends on the time period of Democrats and Republicans you're talking about, but based on the current party platforms I'll give my take.

Anakin: Probably a Republican. This is in part based on the fact that Lucas is a Democrat(who incidentally called Barack Obama 'a hero'), but Anakin's fondness for the centralization of power with Palpatine in exchange for greater security, makes me think that he might end up being somewhat like a Neo-Conservative. He also questions Padme's loyalty when she questions Palpatine, which seems akin to the current climate for Conservatives. I think the clincher though is that what Anakin seems to value above all, is order, which is also true with Conservatives(as explained in this clip from the TED conference.)

Obi-Wan: I think he'd probably be a Democrat. He favors a diplomatic solution over war(he's 'the Negotiator' after all.) He objects to the idea that the Republic should give more power to Palpatine in exchange for security(which parallels some of the objections Democrats have had to some of the Bush/Cheney policies.) Obi-Wan also tends to weight fairness and compassion over order(as shown by his initial attempt, however mangled it may be, to redeem Anakin on Mustafar.) Obi-Wan also tends to have the cynicism about politics and politicians which seems to have characterized grassroots liberals in the Bush era.

Of course, there are other periods where I could see Anakin as a Democrat, Obi-Wan as a Republican, or either as a member of neither party.

 

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Alley_Skywalker 
Registered: Sep '05
23041_Anakin's Ghost<br>Hayden
Date Posted: 10/3 7:42pm Subject: RE: A Fateful Bond: The Anakin/Obi-Wan Brotherhood Fan Thread V 2.0
I’ll refrain from a long political tirade simply because it’s just too touchy a topic at the moment but I will say that:
I think Anakin is an independent leaning Rep on some issues and Dem on others.
Here’s what I’ve picked up:
Current Rep positions include:
~Opposed to universal health care
~Opposed to SCHIP
~Opposed to abortion
~Opposed to Same sex marriage
~ Opposed to Gov control of greenhouse gasses
~Opposed Gov support for alternative energy and stem cell research
Given that current candidate John McCain has gone back on the last couple of points, it seems, as the election approaches these are general republican standpoints that were not at all veiled in the primaries.
Now, I firmly believe that Anakin would chose freedom of choice for people as well as aid for the no-so-well-off (especially considering his background). He would also be highly for, I think, scientific research. (I just think he would be partial to something like that *shrug*) Yes, he does believe in a strong central government but I think that in part comes from his bias toward Palpatine and as well as his general frustration with the ineffectiveness of the Senate as the Jedi have to work fairly closely with politicians so Anakin gets to see a lot more of the political mess than your average citizen. Now I’m not saying that all Republicans are conservatives and I wn’t comment on those who are but I just don’t see Anakin as a pledge Republican. I think he’s the type of voter who would go with whichever party, he felt, had the better argument at the moment.

 

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GS335 
Registered: Feb '01
22997_Ghosts ROTJ (DVD)
Date Posted: 10/4 4:47pm Subject: RE: A Fateful Bond: The Anakin/Obi-Wan Brotherhood Fan Thread V 2.0
Alley_Skywalker posted:
I’ll refrain from a long political tirade simply because it’s just too touchy a topic at the moment but I will say that:
I think Anakin is an independent leaning Rep on some issues and Dem on others.
Here’s what I’ve picked up:
Current Rep positions include:
~Opposed to universal health care
~Opposed to SCHIP
~Opposed to abortion
~Opposed to Same sex marriage
~ Opposed to Gov control of greenhouse gasses
~Opposed Gov support for alternative energy and stem cell research
Given that current candidate John McCain has gone back on the last couple of points, it seems, as the election approaches these are general republican standpoints that were not at all veiled in the primaries.
Now, I firmly believe that Anakin would chose freedom of choice for people as well as aid for the no-so-well-off (especially considering his background). He would also be highly for, I think, scientific research. (I just think he would be partial to something like that *shrug*) Yes, he does believe in a strong central government but I think that in part comes from his bias toward Palpatine and as well as his general frustration with the ineffectiveness of the Senate as the Jedi have to work fairly closely with politicians so Anakin gets to see a lot more of the political mess than your average citizen. Now I’m not saying that all Republicans are conservatives and I wn’t comment on those who are but I just don’t see Anakin as a pledge Republican. I think he’s the type of voter who would go with whichever party, he felt, had the better argument at the moment.




Anakin pratically supports dictatorship, which was shown in episode III. Using scare tactics to bully and decieve the public is the Republican way of thinking. Bush and his chronies have done this for 8 years, now.

In Rots, Palpatine pulled that crap with the Republic. Since Bush is a dictator and Palpatine is a dictator, its safe to say that Anakin is a Republican.

Face it, Anakin is an extremist. Plain and simple.

Anakin/darth vader = George W. Bush
Palpatine = Dick Cheney

I am saying that, because Cheney is the one calling all the shots, while Bush does what Cheney says, even though Bush is the President. Like Palpatine, Cheney is also manipulative and a liar.

 

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GS335 
Registered: Feb '01
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Date Posted: 10/4 4:53pm Subject: RE: A Fateful Bond: The Anakin/Obi-Wan Brotherhood Fan Thread V 2.0
Master_Starwalker posted:
I think it depends on the time period of Democrats and Republicans you're talking about, but based on the current party platforms I'll give my take.

Anakin: Probably a Republican. This is in part based on the fact that Lucas is a Democrat(who incidentally called Barack Obama 'a hero'), but Anakin's fondness for the centralization of power with Palpatine in exchange for greater security, makes me think that he might end up being somewhat like a Neo-Conservative. He also questions Padme's loyalty when she questions Palpatine, which seems akin to the current climate for Conservatives. I think the clincher though is that what Anakin seems to value above all, is order, which is also true with Conservatives(as explained in this clip from the TED conference.)

Obi-Wan: I think he'd probably be a Democrat. He favors a diplomatic solution over war(he's 'the Negotiator' after all.) He objects to the idea that the Republic should give more power to Palpatine in exchange for security(which parallels some of the objections Democrats have had to some of the Bush/Cheney policies.) Obi-Wan also tends to weight fairness and compassion over order(as shown by his initial attempt, however mangled it may be, to redeem Anakin on Mustafar.) Obi-Wan also tends to have the cynicism about politics and politicians which seems to have characterized grassroots liberals in the Bush era.

Of course, there are other periods where I could see Anakin as a Democrat, Obi-Wan as a Republican, or either as a member of neither party.


I think its safe to say that:

Anakin/vader = George W. Bush
Palpatine = Dick Cheney
Obi Wan Kenobi = John F. Kennedy
Luke Skywalker = Barack Obama

I am saying that, because Anakin is an extremist, and Luke seems to be more of a liberal. Since Lucas is a known Liberal, hates Bush, loves Obama, and has chosen Luke Skywalker as his favorite character, I think its safe to say that in Lucas' eyes, Luke is similar to Obama, in the sense that he's seeking better change to a corrupt government who's oppressed the ordinary people for many years.

 

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Alley_Skywalker 
Registered: Sep '05
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Date Posted: 10/4 5:34pm Subject: RE: A Fateful Bond: The Anakin/Obi-Wan Brotherhood Fan Thread V 2.0
I’m not gonna get into a political debate here, as I already said, but GS335, I’m not going to “face” anything simply because you said so and I, as well as others, I’m sure, would appreciate it if you would make your points and leave it up to others whether they want to agree or disagree with you.

 

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GS335 
Registered: Feb '01
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Date Posted: 10/4 5:50pm Subject: RE: A Fateful Bond: The Anakin/Obi-Wan Brotherhood Fan Thread V 2.0 - Date Edited: 10/4 5:54pm (1 edits total) Edited By: GS335
Alley_Skywalker posted:
I’m not gonna get into a political debate here, as I already said, but GS335, I’m not going to “face” anything simply because you said so and I, as well as others, I’m sure, would appreciate it if you would make your points and leave it up to others whether they want to agree or disagree with you.


I am not trying to start a fight, here.

I am just saying that there are some Politics in SW, thats all, especially after what we saw in Rots in the Anakin/Obi Wan confrontation. It was almost like Lucas was speaking out against Bush Administration in that movie. Anakin's "you're either with me, or you're my enemy" line to Obi Wan right before their confrontation drew some comparison's to Bush's State of the Union Address from earlier that year (when RotS came out).

I appologize if I came across as rude. That was not my intent at all. I hope there are no hard feelings, because I have none at all happy .

 

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Master_Starwalker 
Registered: Sep '03
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Date Posted: 10/4 10:12pm Subject: RE: A Fateful Bond: The Anakin/Obi-Wan Brotherhood Fan Thread V 2.0 - Date Edited: 10/4 10:15pm (1 edits total) Edited By: Master_Starwalker
GS335 posted:
I think its safe to say that:

Anakin/vader = George W. Bush
Palpatine = Dick Cheney
Obi Wan Kenobi = John F. Kennedy
Luke Skywalker = Barack Obama


I think there may be an element of accuracy to that, though I don't think any of them fit perfectly. Vader, Palpatine, Obi-Wan, and Luke are simply representations of such primal archetypes that they can fit a broad number of situations.

DT421 posted:
I am saying that, because Anakin is an extremist, and Luke seems to be more of a liberal. Since Lucas is a known Liberal, hates Bush, loves Obama, and has chosen Luke Skywalker as his favorite character, I think its safe to say that in Lucas' eyes, Luke is similar to Obama, in the sense that he's seeking better change to a corrupt government who's oppressed the ordinary people for many years.


I don't know that I'd assume Lucas hates Bush. I'm sure he disagrees with him, but if he's actually a Buddhist, he shouldn't hate anybody.

GS335 posted:
I am just saying that there are some Politics in SW, thats all, especially after what we saw in Rots in the Anakin/Obi Wan confrontation. It was almost like Lucas was speaking out against Bush Administration in that movie. Anakin's "you're either with me, or you're my enemy" line to Obi Wan right before their confrontation drew some comparison's to Bush's State of the Union Address from earlier that year (when RotS came out).


I think it certainly fits with Bush's statement that "You're either with us or with the terrorists." but, it fits with every ruler of Bush's type. For instance, Lucas used to say that one of the inspirations for Palpatine was Nixon.

 

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roguegirl 
Registered: Aug '01
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Date Posted: 10/5 10:33pm Subject: RE: A Fateful Bond: The Anakin/Obi-Wan Brotherhood Fan Thread V 2.0
Politics can always get anyone in trouble.once a person decides to join the race to the presidency,his/hers past will be dug up.if they don't find anything wrong with the candidate,they will invent some.We need someone like Obiwan to be our president,but then,he would rather remain a Jedi Knight.Kind of like QuiGon.QuiGon did not have dreams of being a Jedi Council member.Obiwan became one 'cuz Yoda and Mace Windu trusted him.

So,are you guys for Obama or McCaine?

 

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Alley_Skywalker 
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Date Posted: 10/6 4:13pm Subject: RE: A Fateful Bond: The Anakin/Obi-Wan Brotherhood Fan Thread V 2.0
Personally, I'm 100% for Obama.

 

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Master_Starwalker 
Registered: Sep '03
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Date Posted: 10/6 4:37pm Subject: RE: A Fateful Bond: The Anakin/Obi-Wan Brotherhood Fan Thread V 2.0
As am I.

 

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roguegirl 
Registered: Aug '01
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Date Posted: 10/6 11:40pm Subject: RE: A Fateful Bond: The Anakin/Obi-Wan Brotherhood Fan Thread V 2.0
I'm not american,so I can't vote.but if I were american I would vote also for Obama.change is good.goodluck to him.
2 years from now we will be voting our new president.I'm already checking out the would be candidates.I hope he/she will be like former president Corazon Aquino.she's one of the best.our present president leaves a lot to be desired.she has the charisma of a dead fish.

 

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Master_Starwalker 
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Date Posted: 10/6 11:50pm Subject: RE: A Fateful Bond: The Anakin/Obi-Wan Brotherhood Fan Thread V 2.0
I don't know anywhere near what I should about other nations, but I do hope you'll end up with a good president. tongue


For a topic which is more closely related to Obi-Wan and Anakin, has anyone else beaten The Force Unleashed?

 

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anakin_luver 
Registered: Jul '05
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Date Posted: 10/11 12:44pm Subject: RE: A Fateful Bond: The Anakin/Obi-Wan Brotherhood Fan Thread V 2.0
i know i'm probably really late with this topic, but what did everyone make of the SW tv show?
i think this will say a lot for me lol. i turned it on, but then ended up watching gossip girl...ahah!

i guess i hated the fact they were making it so kiddish. i take SW really seriously, and the show is great for kids and everything and maybe you guys really liked it...thats TOTALLY cool, but i don't think they captured the whole essence of it too well grin

just my take...i did watch like 20 seconds of it and thats it ahah! so maybe i shouldn't say anything wink

 

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