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arbed
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I wouldn't say he "deserved" that, but there is usually a price to pay for ones actions. I guess that was the price, albiet awful as it is.
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Jedi-knight-25
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I guess that was Anakin's punishments for what he did, but Luke still succeeded where Anakin failed by refusing Palpatine's offer.
Here are 2 pictures for the day.
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iLoveAnakin7
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Thanks Ice for the pics 
Have you guys been to the EU section of the board yet? Under Small Screen SW they have concept pictures if you want to check them out.
I was shocked at what Anakin did and I was wondering why would he do that when Anakin was trained by the very people he was betraying.
Sadly, Ice, I fail to think a lot of times Anakin operates on logic. We know it's wrong - heck, he knew it was wrong as well, but his attachment issues got the better of him. He thought he was going to lose Padme, and instead of using his Jedi training and remembering that the future is always in motion, he took matters into his own hands with no regard for anyone but himself, and paid for it in the end. Sometimes, I not sure if we're actually supposed to be sympathetic to RotS Anakin or not. Maybe so, maybe not. Because I am to a degree when I think about the other movies, and what led him to that point, but then I'm not because he does have a brain and he could have said no and stopped being so selfish. Eh, I don't know. Mostly I love Anakin's story and character arc, but if I ever met a person like him IRL, I would back away slowly.  Alley is going to KILL me when she reads all of this LOL 
And the Jedi are sworn to destroy the Sith - not help them.
True Deb. And I agree with the rest of what you say as well. This why I don't get why people do not understand Obi-Wan's POV in this. He often gets raked over the coals for his part in the duel, but it wasn't he who betrayed those he loved. Am I wrong here? Was he supposed to just let AnaVader run rampant? 
But...I have a fire phobia, and what happened to Anakin is about the worst fate I could imagine. I can stomach a lot of gore and violence, but watching that scene physically hurts (which is why I don't watch it anymore...Mustafar never happened at all in my world! ) And I guess I'm just not sure *anyone* deserves that.
LOL! I can watch most gore, except people getting knifed...OMG!
Mustafar never happened in my world either....little Anakin that is still nine years old had a terrible nightmare. 
Some people say Anakin got off easy. But I'm glad he did not die (not just because the OT wouldn't make sense anymore LOL), but because I am firm believer that those who committ terrible crimes should be alive to suffer for them. Dying is like getting off easy IMO.
Ooooo I sound so crass 
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Jedi-knight-25
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RE: A Fateful Bond: The Anakin/Obi-Wan Brotherhood Fan Thread V 2.0
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I agree, if I saw evil Anakin I would not go near him.
I would only talk to the good Anakin. 
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arbed
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I may also seem a bit cold-hearted, but I again agree, Dee.
That type of man just wouldn't be my type. I need my space...not someone obsessing over me all the time. Oh, well. To each his own.
For me it's freedom.
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Jedi-knight-25
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Some people say that darth plagueis or Palpatine had somthing to do with the birth of Anakin but I don't think that the sith were involved in any way. I am curious about this subject. 
I don't think Darth plagueis knew how to influence midichlorians. I think that Palpatine caused that dream to scare Anakin and to cause him to turn to the dark side.
What does everyone else think? 
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RE: A Fateful Bond: The Anakin/Obi-Wan Brotherhood Fan Thread V 2.0
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Oh, boy ICE, I just don't know. I used to think Plaguis did and then again, I revert to my theory of the Force had a hand in it, and Anakin just didn't follow the light path and took a big 20 year detour. I know, just more of my nonsense...
I also am quite sure Lucas deliberately left that end a big mystery on purpose to give us something to wonder about. I don't think he ever answered any questions with regard to the origins of Anakin. All we are told in Ep 1 by Shmi is "there is no father" Huh??? I guess we can make of that what we will. Wow, that just blows my mind.
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Yeah, this is all confusing, it is one of that most confusing things of star wars.
George Lucas did say that this is something that will be kept a mystery.
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arbed
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Jedi-knight-25 posted:
Yeah, this is all confusing, it is one of that most confusing things of star wars.
George Lucas did say that this is something that will be kept a mystery.
And in a way, it's neat that way. Does EVERYTHING have to be spelled out, so that there's no speculation or anything left to the viewer? It's fine the way it is to me.
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Actually I agree with you, I don't think everything needs to be explained. I think there are somethings better of not explained. I like this way. 
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regarding their battle aftermath,Obiwan would have wanted to help Anakin,but by that time he was already deep into the dark side(his eyes were aleady yellow),and his expression towards Obiwan at that time was of pure hate.Anakin was gone and Darth Vader had taken over his soul.
Luke in ANH was more like Anakin...whiny.I like him better in ROTJ.
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I think Luke takes after his father a bit that way, too. I have this feeling I'm in for it...
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Oh, that’s just I call the “whole picture.” Like, to make sure that none of my opinions contradict with each other. I don’t have the whole thing written out b/c I haven’t found the time or way to make it well organized. Its basically just all my view points and arguments.
OOOHHHH.... I guess that makes so much sense.
Yea, but she and Obi-Wan weren’t really friends, just acquaintances, really. One could say that Padme and Anakin had become closer friends during the time they were hiding on Naboo.
Yeah... I can see that, but IMO Padme and Obi-wan were good friends too.
I strongly disagree. He was an indirect cause, in this case, but certainly not a direct one.
A person choose whether they want to “loose the will to live” or not.
Look just because a guy dumps a girl and “breaks her heart” and she goes and commits suicide doesn’t make him responsible for her death does it?
I see.
The Son Of The Suns is a prophecy that was in an earlier draft of Star Wars as well as I think the novelization to A New Hope. All we know about it is that it's from the Journal of the Whills and that the Prophecy is:
"...And in the time of greatest
despair there shall come a savior,
and he shall be known as: THE SON
OF THE SUNS."
Journal of the Whills, 3:127
It was written by Lucas back in 1975 I believe and was about Luke, though it's never mentioned in the films. I think it still fits Luke better than anyone given that he was born into the galaxy just after his father's corruption, the rise of the Empire, and destruction of the Jedi Order. He ends up a savior in more ways than one in the Original Trilogy as he destroys the Death Star sparing other systems from the fate of Alderaan, saves his father's soul by redeeming him, and saves the Jedi Order from extinction by founding the New Jedi Order(even in the movies it's made clear he's going to do this).
Thanks so much. It's so much clearer now.
I'm pretty sure that Yoda only felt Mace die though, not Anakin turning. I think Jedi can only feel life passing through the force.
Dee, wasn't that after Anakin pledges himself, not when Mace dies?
Yeah, Padme had such a strong character, and in ep. 3 she just dies of a broken heart? I think not. One of the stupidest ideas I've ever heard. Couldn't she at least have died of natural causes? She could still die at the same time as Anakin becomes Vader and the same time as the Republic dies, retaining the symbolism. But honestly, just save me from the utter lunacy of her dying of a broken heart. It's not in her to go that way in those circumstances, quite apart from the fact that it's not a credible way for *anyone* to die.
So true, Shrunken... it seems to make more sense if she died of natural causes because of Anakin's force choke or giving birth to Luke and Leia.
I'm not sure. I mean, I think he felt the deaths of Mace, Ki-Adi, Plo Koon, Aayla, Stass, etc. but I think he sensed what Anakin had become sometime because when Obi-Wan looks in the security recordings to find out the truth it seems as though Yoda already knows he has turned to the Dark Side.
See Forrest that's what I was thinking, but I don't even know myself yet.
He looked over at Yoda. "Master Yoda, you and I have been close since I
was a boy. An infant. Yet if ending this war one week sooner-one day
sooner-were to require that I sacrifice your life, you know I would."
"As you should," Yoda said. "As I would yours, young Obi-Wan. As any
Jedi would any other, in the cause of peace."
"Any Jedi," Obi-Wan said, "except Anakin."
Obi-wan nailed it!
"Because," he admitted reluctantly, "he knows I would do the same for
him."
I almost cried when I read this... Poor Obi-wan... I don't care what anyone else says! These two are, godforgiven, definitely BROTHERS!!!!
I wish more scenes like this were in the movie. And yes this scene was, but not written like this, though Obi-Wan does defend Anakin. But the scene before it is not - not the whole thing. But then the movie would be about 4 hrs long, but who cares! LOL
Right on sister! This shows how much each of them, Anakin and Obi-wan, truly loved and cared for one another. Lucas should make a special edition of ROTS and put this scene in!!! It would add so much to the importance of the ending and especially the "You were my brother, Anakin. I loved you!" line and scene.
LOL Poor Obi, he's so ironic and doesn't even know it. He drops a lot of anvils in the PT.
I know!
I see a lot of people say Obi-Wan was cruel for leaving Anakin there to burn, but I do not agree. Again, people are only seeing Anakin's side here, Obi-Wan had just had his heart broken by his best friend. He was betrayed. Anakin destroyed their friendship, and everything Obi-Wan knew and stood for within a matter of a few lightsaber strikes. He slayed *defenseless children*.
I see your point, but it's not all because Obi-wan had his heart broken as we can all see, it's also that he has to destroy the Sith and he finally sees that darkness has consumed his friend. Just look at the expression of Vaderkin's face, plus the eyes... *shudders*
Click this link. Scroll about halfway down the page to BlindMan's post from 6/18/06.
You will never view that scene the same way again.
OMG! and I don't think I will see that scene the same way again... lmao...
Some people say Anakin got off easy. But I'm glad he did not die (not just because the OT wouldn't make sense anymore LOL), but because I am firm believer that those who committ terrible crimes should be alive to suffer for them. Dying is like getting off easy IMO.
So true... and I don't think you sound crass at all, Dee.
Luke in ANH was more like Anakin...whiny.I like him better in ROTJ.
That's what I believe too and that's why both movies are my favorites. I do like some whinyness, but the mature stature he hols is awesome too.
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Does anyone know if there is any new news for the live action star wars tv series yet?
Here is a poster for Clone Wars.
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Date Posted:
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Forrest may be the one with the answer to that, Ice.
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